>Socialism has never worked

>Socialism has never worked
Then why is the most successful system a socialist one?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Communism has never worked which is quite different and aims to abolish private property

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    China isn't market socialism it's mercantilism and has backing from America-based israelites.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well no wonder I don’t like tribe members

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Market Socialism" can mean different things though.
    You can have Welfare capitalism.
    You can have Corporatism(in the classical sense).
    You can have Capitalism with regulations.
    You can have Market where every firm is a co-op.
    You can have Market where every firm is part of a guild.
    You can have a free market where property is based on occupancy and use.
    So what type of "Market Socialism" do you mean?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not op but I think the most sensible form of Market Socialism that isn't essentially just a mixed economy with radical aesthetics is a market where every firm is a co-op and also a part of a congress of industrial trade unions ala Daniel DeLeon (literal who I know, but his model is the most reasonable model that could mesh with a market economy imo). This being sensible in my view, because technological developments have already led to central planning of a sort within firms in a capitalist economy. This plus yimby upzoning and a Georgist LVT.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like Syndicalism to me, which is my least-hated form of socialism.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean yeah pretty much. Problem is quite frankly the people who espouse such ideas lack any charisma and know how, so I don't know that anything like what I described is actually feasible barring historical circumstances which make such a system come about through gradual reforms unwittingly.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          go back to

          [...]

          hoitroony

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Black person wtf are you on about? not even that anon but your brain is fried

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How would this save the White race?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you implement my stated economic reforms I'll go back. Deal?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >socialist thief is a non-white parasite
            Like pottery

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Idk I've met more white ones myself but whatever, I tried

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you leave out the most important part?
    >with Chinese characteristics

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot my pic

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Triads were a big problem for a long time in China itself.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That system being?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    By far the most successful system we've had was that in the US after abolishing slavery and it wasn't socialism.
    Currently we have only socialist countries (plus a few pure moron communist enclaves) so what do you expect.
    grug in 300 AD:
    >why the most successful system is a feudal slavery?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the most successful system we've had was that in the US

      Unplanned suburbs:
      1. more need for traffic roads (cities get demolished)
      2. shitton of taxation for electricity and sewage for so few houses per km^2 -> people get poorer and abandon cities (that get demolished)
      3. car becomes obligatory (getting to work/shop/etc. takes shitton of time)
      4. mentally depressive surroundings (the same fricking house everywhere, on and on, without end...)

      This is what you get, if you let capitalism run amok.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Unplanned
        un-pre-planned

        fix

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >3. car becomes obligatory (getting to work/shop/etc. takes shitton of time)
        This one right here actually isn't true. Much to the chagrin of traingays
        >4. mentally depressive surroundings (the same fricking house everywhere, on and on, without end...)
        The only people who actually hate suburban surroundings have never actually lived in one

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >isn't true
          https://www.aecf.org/blog/exploring-americas-food-deserts
          There are literally areas in US, where people live in starvation, because cars don't bother to drive there.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Transportation challenges — Low-income families are less likely to have reliable transportation, which can prevent residents from traveling longer distances to buy groceries."
            "Added risks — Opening a supermarket or grocery store chain is an investment risk, and this risk can grow to prohibitive proportions in lower-income neighborhoods."

            cities are designed piss-poorly:

            7:34-8:00

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Transportation challenges — Low-income families are less likely to have reliable transportation, which can prevent residents from traveling longer distances to buy groceries."
            "Added risks — Opening a supermarket or grocery store chain is an investment risk, and this risk can grow to prohibitive proportions in lower-income neighborhoods."

            cities are designed piss-poorly:

            7:34-8:00

            You're overgeneralizing right now. Food deserts exist in the US but its disingenuous to claim its the norm or endemic to American urban design in general. Evidently that isn't the case. You can post as many YouTube links as you want but its in complete contrast to real world evidence so you'd be wasting your time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but its disingenuous to claim its the norm
            seems like quite a large chunk of map to me

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's literally just a population density map anon, hardly anyone lives in these regions to begin with. Bad faith argument if you're trying to imply that's the norm

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >people live in starvation, because cars don't bother to drive there.
            Thats....thats not how that works...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Transportation challenges — Low-income families are less likely to have reliable transportation, which can prevent residents from traveling longer distances to buy groceries."
            "Added risks — Opening a supermarket or grocery store chain is an investment risk, and this risk can grow to prohibitive proportions in lower-income neighborhoods."

            cities are designed piss-poorly:

            7:34-8:00

            >Opening a supermarket or grocery store chain is an investment risk

            No truck with food would arrive there.
            And if you don't have a car, you won't arrive to any place with food.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            People drive and build grocery stores where there's a market. If its an investment risk its because its an underdeveloped region. Its an underdeveloped region because nobody wants to live there

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People drive and build grocery stores where there's a market.
            Correct. Why *isn't* there a market? Because morons built their towns this way. Too fricking wide-spread, and a car became your obligatory life-support machine.

            This is what you get, when you let capitalism run amok.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            People have their own reasons for wanting to live in these regions though, regardless of market forces. If they wanted convenience they could just go to a city

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