Someone explain why we should believe that some rabbi came back from the dead after being killed 2000 years ago which therefore means we should all worship him as God incarnate
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Unlike other religions *cough cough* islam, the people that founded Christianity had nothing to gain for their devotion to Christ. The Disciples and early church followers were violently murdered for it. There was no territory, money, women, etc to be gained for their believes. They died because they truly did believe in the message jesus delivered. If you were to trust people from 2,000 years ago for a reason that would be the best one.
Good people can easily delude themselves and I still have no reason to believe them.
That's fair and I also believe the same. I still see the point i got across as a fair reason also as to believe. It's just really hard for me to see that so many people when it was starting off would suffer so much for a "false religion" that they made up. Unless they truly did believe in it themselves as first account witnesses which is evidence of their honesty to the story they kept telling.
Millions of Germans died because they believed in Hitler's message about a thousand-year Reich, does that mean his message was true?
>It's just really hard for me to see that so many people when it was starting off would suffer so much for a "false religion" that they made up.
Sunk-cost fallacy.
No because THEY FRICKING LOST.
>No because THEY FRICKING LOST.
At what point do we consider Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion to be invalidated by this standard?
Also the fact that if it was indeed all made up Christianity could probably never have gotten to where it did because of all the persecution. Under such pressure it would have been either:
a) one of the many messianic groups, like the Bar Kochbaites, that faded once the Sanhedrin declared their founder illegitimate
b) a historical footnote like Manichaeism
or c) a regional religion like Mandeism
All religions had had martirs, though.
Why is yours more true, then?
>the people that founded Christianity had nothing to gain for their devotion to Christ
This is so obviously bullshit omfg
>There was no territory, money, women, etc to be gained for their believes
"For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."
"If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?"
"On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."
That's neat, there's a lot of devotional cults in Hinduism too and people suffered and were violently murdered for their devotion as well. Basically Christians are performing a sort of Bhakti Yoga.
There's no evidence they died for their beliefs or even existed in the first place. Your whole religion is just made up stories.
What religions are not
>the people that founded Christianity had nothing to gain for their devotion to Christ. There was no territory, money, women, etc to be gained for their believes
Plenty of people join schizo cults without getting any materials benefits in return, nothing special about that.
>The Disciples and early church followers were violently murdered for it.
No evidence for that, we don't know the exact circumstances of their deaths. Lots of people have always been willing to sacrifice their lives for their faith or ideology anyway.
Do you think that's the first time people have done something they had nothing to gain from?
They sure believed they had things to gain, favor from god and access to heaven and such
because it's not about believing that a man became a god (like pharaoh) but that you alone are responsible for your actions in life, and just like you aren't responsible for your family members doing something evil, your family being exemplary doesn't redeem your evil deeds. thats why places like china with no SOVL have zero problem kidnapping your mom kids and grandma if you flee the country
Okay why can't we believe that without believing in a magic rabbi
abrahamics are mentally ill, I hope they disappear along with their death cult