the J1 in Karelia can't be representative of that because Lazaridis' argument has a constraint of ~800-1000 years of split between proto-Anatolian and late PIE.
There is also J1 in Khvalynsk (and the exact same clade in Afanasievo, probably picked up from Khvalynsk). The authors seem to discount the association with IE as there is limited to no PPN in the former. And you need CHG+PPN in that last wave of ancestry to make the argument work.
Here is the clade https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1026/
Strange that the people of the caucuses don't speak indo-european languages? Really makes zero sense for the hypothetical PIE armenians to have managed to cross the caucuses to the north in large enough numbers to displace the language of the pontic-caspian steppe without having an lasting legacy on the causcus languages.
Also strange that that hattians who ruled Anatolia didn't speak a PIE derived language and that the indo-european hitties didn't arrive until 2000bc but the yamnaya culture existed in 3200 bc. So the hypothetical armenia PIE spread their language to the yamnaya, over the mountains, without interacting with the existing CHG, 1200 years before they moved 100miles to the east?
Also we'll need to rework the origin of the Hurrian and Urartian languages which are also said to have originated in Armenia but aren't thought to be related to PIE so how did that happen? Armenians developed PIE, spread it across the caucuses and then forgot it and invented a new completely different language?
Strange that the people of the caucuses don't speak indo-european languages? Really makes zero sense for the hypothetical PIE armenians to have managed to cross the caucuses to the north in large enough numbers to displace the language of the pontic-caspian steppe without having an lasting legacy on the causcus languages.
Also strange that that hattians who ruled Anatolia didn't speak a PIE derived language and that the indo-european hitties didn't arrive until 2000bc but the yamnaya culture existed in 3200 bc. So the hypothetical armenia PIE spread their language to the yamnaya, over the mountains, without interacting with the existing CHG, 1200 years before they moved 100miles to the east?
Also we'll need to rework the origin of the Hurrian and Urartian languages which are also said to have originated in Armenia but aren't thought to be related to PIE so how did that happen? Armenians developed PIE, spread it across the caucuses and then forgot it and invented a new completely different language?
My guess the non IE languages come from an Neolithic Iranian back migration. Or maybe Caucasian languages are IE, just too deeply diverged to reconstruct.
they are still European and to a greater or lesser extent part of the western world
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Anonymous
what race modern Turks, Armenians, Georgians and Greeks consider themselves is irrelevant. The population demographics in ancient times were dramatically different than the modern ones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
they have common haplogroups,
their countries are geopolitically aligned with the West, proof is NATO.
they just say "i'm not white" because they are afraid of being called oppressors in the united states they are afraid of lefties amerimutts lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>modern politics
irrelevant
2 years ago
Anonymous
don't come crying when the Azerbaijanis
do an armenian genocide 2.0
>tfw the most common White-directed insult brownoids have still can't help but refer to us in the role of the whip-cracking dominant slave master
Thoroughly buck broken.
I legitimately don't understand this. >Southern arc confirms CHG comes from the caucuses, no shit, right? >CHG is one of two primary components for steppe, the other being EHG.
EHG and CHG still interbred north of the caucuses, did they not? Wouldn't the area where CHG and EHG blended be the genetic PIE homeland? Or is this just suggesting PIE languages come from the caucuses?
Also, how is this crackers btfo? Don't northern yuros still have the largest degree of steppe dna by far? Seems a bit like saying all non nigs btfo because homosexual sapiens emerged from Africa.
A bunch of Arabs raped their way accross Europe?
Persians
If it is true the J1 subclade found in Finland would be pretty much the only Indo-European paternal line left
Nah, some R1b became CHG lineage early on. I expect to find more R1b in pre-neolithic Caucasus.
the J1 in Karelia can't be representative of that because Lazaridis' argument has a constraint of ~800-1000 years of split between proto-Anatolian and late PIE.
There is also J1 in Khvalynsk (and the exact same clade in Afanasievo, probably picked up from Khvalynsk). The authors seem to discount the association with IE as there is limited to no PPN in the former. And you need CHG+PPN in that last wave of ancestry to make the argument work.
Here is the clade https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1026/
ok
CRACKAS BTFO
>their neolithic revolution came from the east
>their language and paternal ancestors also came from the east
How can you cope with this himiliation?
uhhhh yeah I’m thinking comfy
Why are these guys so obsessed with where our ancestors came from or what they looked like? Either way, they're still our ancestors and not yours.
I lost all respect for Armenia because of the Kardashians
You will bow down and worship Kim's ass
It’s fake, just like the genocide
Oil up.
That operated ass has already been used by stinking blacks
I'm sorry, but I can't take Armenia seriously.
kardashians = cringe
>Otzi
>Indo European
nope
Shitskins should stop complaining about recent colonialism then
So both PIE and EEF originated in the same region?
Pie homeland, you say?
Strange that the people of the caucuses don't speak indo-european languages? Really makes zero sense for the hypothetical PIE armenians to have managed to cross the caucuses to the north in large enough numbers to displace the language of the pontic-caspian steppe without having an lasting legacy on the causcus languages.
Also strange that that hattians who ruled Anatolia didn't speak a PIE derived language and that the indo-european hitties didn't arrive until 2000bc but the yamnaya culture existed in 3200 bc. So the hypothetical armenia PIE spread their language to the yamnaya, over the mountains, without interacting with the existing CHG, 1200 years before they moved 100miles to the east?
Also we'll need to rework the origin of the Hurrian and Urartian languages which are also said to have originated in Armenia but aren't thought to be related to PIE so how did that happen? Armenians developed PIE, spread it across the caucuses and then forgot it and invented a new completely different language?
Armeanians speak IE. And ossetians speak an indo iranic language.
Literally both back migrations
This
My guess the non IE languages come from an Neolithic Iranian back migration. Or maybe Caucasian languages are IE, just too deeply diverged to reconstruct.
PIE was white people so I don't see your point.
Turks, Armenians, Georgians and Greeks do not consider themselves white even though they are Europeans and have still tried to join the European Union
modern demographics in that region are not representative of the demographics there in ancient times.
they are still European and to a greater or lesser extent part of the western world
what race modern Turks, Armenians, Georgians and Greeks consider themselves is irrelevant. The population demographics in ancient times were dramatically different than the modern ones.
they have common haplogroups,
their countries are geopolitically aligned with the West, proof is NATO.
they just say "i'm not white" because they are afraid of being called oppressors in the united states they are afraid of lefties amerimutts lmao
>modern politics
irrelevant
don't come crying when the Azerbaijanis
do an armenian genocide 2.0
greeks are europeans and white, the others don´t ofc
Nope. They were Caucasians who migrated from the Middle East.
>tfw the most common White-directed insult brownoids have still can't help but refer to us in the role of the whip-cracking dominant slave master
Thoroughly buck broken.
So the white bvlls didnt invade and rape your women the women gave themselves willingly? based
brown women are obsessed with white men and brown men are obsessed with white women, always has been the case
I legitimately don't understand this.
>Southern arc confirms CHG comes from the caucuses, no shit, right?
>CHG is one of two primary components for steppe, the other being EHG.
EHG and CHG still interbred north of the caucuses, did they not? Wouldn't the area where CHG and EHG blended be the genetic PIE homeland? Or is this just suggesting PIE languages come from the caucuses?
Also, how is this crackers btfo? Don't northern yuros still have the largest degree of steppe dna by far? Seems a bit like saying all non nigs btfo because homosexual sapiens emerged from Africa.