South Ossetians claim they are descendants of Steppe Nomads. But the majority of them share a common ancestor with Svans 4000 years ago.
Who are they? And are they truly indigenous to South Ossetia or did they migrate there later? Do they have any textual evidence of this or is this based purely on oral histories?
They descend from Alans that settled into that region. The Alans themselves descend from Scythians.
By the time of the Ossetian ethnogenisis, they had churkafied. That doesn't really mean anything.
All steppemutts are native to Caucasus (Georgia and Azerbaijan).
There is nothing to suggest that there was an invasion or population replacement there like there was in, say, Mesopotamia or Italy.
Scythians were native to china. Their ancestors to the urals.
You have a weird definition of native.
Scythians were just as native to wienerasses as Colchians were.
> Captcha: WFAM
>You have a weird definition of native.
People with asian maternal and autosomal dna, slanted eyes, a cultural precedent heavily influenced by chinese and mongolian aboriginal cultures is native to the caucasus how?.... they had lived in north asian regions for millennia
>a cultural precedent heavily influenced by chinese and mongolian aboriginal cultures
Literally the other way around but ok
>Scythians were native to china.
you're thinking of the hunnic groups that came after.
No, scythian culture had its ethnogenesis in the east of asia. It carries too many mongolic elements
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You will always be CHG sissy bawd like your ancestors
Watch your filthy churkoid mouth. I got nothing to do with you.
Slanted eyes are an environmental adaptation, nothing more.
>native to the caucasus how
Native to the caucasus in that they have been recorded inhabiting that region exactly as long as the earliest populations have.
All people in caucasus and steppe were migratory and had symbiotic relationships. They raided the Akkadians together, bud...
Whether churkas like it or not, turks and iranics are just as native to their dump as they are. I don't make the rules.
> a cultural precedent heavily influenced by chinese and mongolian aboriginal cultures
Caucasians had moon cults and chased deer all day. Same backwards tribalism too. You are exaggerating their differences.
Are you American?
>Native to the caucasus in that they have been recorded inhabiting that region exactly as long as the earliest populations have.
All people in caucasus and steppe were migratory and had symbiotic relationships. They raided the Akkadians together, bud...
Whether churkas like it or not, turks and iranics are just as native to their dump as they are. I don't make the rules
That's like saying Scandinavians are as native of Scandinavians as some Muslims and Black folk cause They raided England or some shit. what a moron lmao
Ask any scandanavian, they'll all tell you that muslims and blacks are native. And honestly, they are. They are well integrated.
Even outside of that, the mass unnatural migration of Somalis and Turks to Europe isn't what happened to your asscrack region.
Turk/iranic movement into Caucasus was never invasive. Turks and Iranics have been in caucasus for a long time and had good relations with locals.
I don't want to hear what you have to say about Timur the Lame. That hellmutt demon probably has more CHG Iran_N than any modern day Laz does.
Cope
Kartvelians and other Caucasian groups are called native cause they were the peoples who arrived into the region earliest out of all its existing peoples, it's a simple logic, stop pulling some weird takes from your ass to justify your moronation.
>cope
LMAO, nice one Ivan, but we all know who is the one coping in here
>native cause they were the peoples who arrived into the region earliest out of all its existing peoples
Scythians has been recorded in your shithole as long as colchians have.
Assyrians sicked the Urartians onto the Caucasus for the sole purpose of stopping churka-scythian raids.
Your word for your region "Caucasus" isn't even a Caucasian word. It's a steppe word.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CE%B1%CF%8D%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek
You have never had a sentiment of "native vs foreigner". You've had long contacts with steppe and cohabited with them.
Quit presenting yourself to the world like you're a Native American who got his hut burned down lmfao.
>Scythians has been recorded in your shithole as long as colchians have.
I litteraly don't give two shits if some scythian horsewienersuckers lived across the caucasus, in fact i know this, but did they ever live in Georgia tho? no, so please, Ivan stop the cope
They literally lived in what is now Georgia and launched raids all over Near East and Anatolia. They migrated through Caucasus many times kid. Again, I don't make the rules, it's just obvious that both of you homeless irrelevant goys are one in the same.
> Ivan
> Vatnig
Ask yourself why a slav would mock steppejeets.
They might have been in eastern Georgia, but they were never in western Georgia where Georgian ethnogenesis started and also has highest and oldes CHG
>Native to the caucasus in that they have been recorded inhabiting that region exactly as long as the earliest populations have.
>All people in caucasus and steppe were migratory and had symbiotic relationships. They raided the Akkadians together, bud...
>Whether churkas like it or not, turks and iranics are just as native to their dump as they are. I don't make the rules.
Mb
>Slanted eyes are an environmental adaptation, nothing more
Dont be disingenous
>Native to the caucasus in that they have been recorded inhabiting that region exactly as long as the earliest populations have.
No they havent moron, kartvelians arepossibly since the neolithic. Scythians are a bronze-iron age arrival.
>They raided the Akkadians together, bud...
Untrue.
>turks and iranics are just as native to their dump as they are. I don't make the rules.
Turks arrived even later.
>Caucasians had moon cults and chased deer all day. Same backwards tribalism too
Caucasians always had an agricultural and sedentary economy and culture. Scythians and turkics were nomadic peoples with a entirely nomadic economy
> Dont be disingenous
Han, Asiatics, and Pinoys all have slant eyes, they're unrelated to one another.
There's nothing to be disingenous about. You're still stuck on 40s era eugenics lmfao.
This is why you have no representation in academia.
> kartvelians arepossibly since the neolithic. Scythians are a bronze-iron age arrival.
> Turks arrived even later.
Lmfao. The English anons will be delighted to know that they are alien gypsies to their miserable little island.
You. Are. Not. A. Victim.
> Caucasians always had an agricultural and sedentary economy and culture. Scythians and turkics were nomadic peoples with a entirely nomadic economy
This is an EEF thing that they appropriated like every other steppejeet in the area did (Kurds, Turks, Iranians).
CHG were nomadic maraudering parasites no different from Turks for the longest time.
>Han, Asiatics, and Pinoys all have slant eyes, they're unrelated to one another
They are not?
>Lmfao. The English anons will be delighted to know that they are alien gypsies to their miserable little island
We are talking about the caucasus, not britain, you don't compare polynesia periodizations to the ones in the levant
The caucasus was continuously inhabited by the same people all the way from the neolithic.
>This is an EEF thing that they appropriated
Not really.
Sedentarism and agriculture was developed several times. Do you also believe mexicas and chinese apropiated it from someone?.
>Iranians
Iranians are elamites and also sedentary. Farming practices existed in nearly all iranian related cultures before they did in anatolia, i dont see how are they relevant for this discussion, given people like IVC existing.
>turks
Turks are recent arrivals
> They are not?
This alone shows that you are not credible.
> The caucasus was continuously inhabited by the same people all the way from the neolithic.
No evidence supports this.
There is only proof of skeletons that overlap with other Iran_N caucasian populations like Kurds and Georgians.
There are equally as many pastoralist remains scattered all over wienerasses.
This is the third time I am telling you this, you were not the only people there.
> Do you also believe mexicas and chinese apropiated it
Mexicans were not farmer people. They descend from a population that behaved similar to CHG as a matter of fact.
They appropriated farming from Incans. You couldn't have picked a worse example.
Chinese conventionalized rice farming so it's a dumb thing to bring up.
Your people in their origin chased deer, you're not characterized as farmers.
> Turks are recent arrivals
According to the guy that can't tell the difference between a Pinoy and a Turkic.
Here's the last (you), annoying gogi /misc/ack.
>gif
imagine being this butthurt over people that it causes you to create moronic shit like this
>This alone shows that you are not credible
I only see you are a butthurt moron that spills moronic shit without any logic
>No evidence supports this.
>There is only proof of skeletons that overlap with other Iran_N caucasian populations like Kurds and Georgians.
Kurds
Different peoples. The ancestral peoples of the caucasus existed in georgia even before 9000 before christ.
>This is the third time I am telling you this, you were not the only people there.
Simply untrue.
>Mexicans were not farmer people.
Mexicas and central americans eidely developed their own agriculture based on corn. Incas, who are also mountain dwellers like caucasians developed their agriculture from potatoes. America had several instances of initial sedentarization.
>Your people in their origin chased deer, you're not characterized as farmers
Caucasian cultures practice farming since the eneolithic
There is no space for nomadism in the mountains of the caucasus.
>According to the guy that can't tell the difference between a Pinoy and a Turkic.
?. Also original turkics obviously looked like pinoys. And are recent arrivals to the caucasus nontheless
Goat nomads are a thing, and if you aren't aware the natural habitat of goats is in mountain ranges.
>T.cope nomad
Georgians were a pastoralist people themselves.
Kurds herded buffalo along zagros, they adopted goat herding from CHG proto georgians.
They're just in denial about it for some reason.
Some Georgians are convinced that they are the earliest farmers, on no basis at all.
It was not the Kurds, but the Iran N popupilation that domesticated goats in the Zagros mountains, they were R2, and had no direct relation to the CHG.
these populations diverged a long time ago.
That wasn't my point.
Zagros, Yamnaya, CHG whatever, they were all migrating one way or the other.
They don't deserve to be in the steppe (which caucasus is a part of) any more than Ossetians do.
If you want to oblige this thirdie and feed into the lie that he indeed wuz persecuted by steppejeets, be my guest.
You pinkies grovel to the knees of somalis as it is. Add churkas to your list.
>You pinkies grovel to the knees of somalis as it is. Add churkas to your list.
What?
There are no Somalis in my country.
>zagros
Unrelated to the later two.
And they werent nomads lol, the main epicenters of zagrosian ancestry were bactrians and harappans, both sedentary, both agricultural societies. And the zagros are a mountain range lol
>Yamnaya
The only ones living in a steppe, 38% caucasus descended, they were mostly EHG uraloids with Ukraine N and ANF.
>CHG
Yet most CHG groups were agriculturalists since the neolithic
Ah yes. Look at these nomadic dwellings
Not uncommon. Two examples apply:
- Hungary. They speak a Uralic language, probably descended from an "old Hungarian" language now dead, but nowadays closest to Khanty. But their gene-pool is Slavic. So although we got plenty of evidence for their history, the genome was erased - by the Mongols, who wiped out the true Magyar nobility, leaving their Slavic squires who were speaking Magyar (the prestige-tongue) to become the next Magyar nobility.
-Euskara. This one's funnier. Their menfolk are Bell Beaker R1b who were probably speaking old Lusitanian when they showed up in Aquitania. The local womenfolk simply refused to speak it. The men just had to learn the language or else not get laid.
-Etruscan. Seems similar to the Basques. They were Gauls of the Urnfield culture; R1b by genes again. When they came to the Po Valley, the local women refused to speak any Gaulish so the men learnt Etruscan. (Although there may have been more creolisation here, Etruscan has some inflexions, implying that IndoEuropean and maybe Semitic influenced it by the time it was written.)
tl;dr, sometimes ancestry doesn't tell the whole story, and the pussy sometimes wins.
>Who are they?
The descendants of the Scythians and the peoples of the region that they conquered. Genetically the population is mostly the latter, but culturally the Scythian strain predominates (or, at least, is very clearly of great antiquity, whereas the more Caucasus-aligned cultural features cannot be dated to any specific point in time).
The Mayans, and various other groups in South America, have something similar going on. Genetically, they're 100% Mayan, but they also speak Spanish in addition to Mayan languages, practice Catholicism, and are very hispanified in terms of culture.
why the hate Georgians so much?
Cause his some assblasted Vatnig who probably got bullied by some Gogi in school and now takes his revenge on IQfy
They are the last Scythians
>> There is no space for nomadism in the mountains of the caucasus.
> aziks
> ch*chens
> ch*rkass
> lezgins
> cumyks
> karachays
> kalmyks
> *nguish
> chuvash
> k*rds
> ezidis
> cigans
Literally at a disconnect from reality.
You moron those people that you listed arrived in the caucasus and never left, yes there is no place for being a nomad in caucasus
All of those peoples practice nomadic and transhumans lifestyles.
Your own people practiced nomadism you moron.
You aren't a farmoid. You have no EEF and no Natufian.
Get it through your head.
Guess you're just gonna ignore ANF huh?
They count too. But even then, churkoid swine don't get high ANF. The few who do got it from the very few Assyrians or Armenians that settled into the steppe
the caucasus is a mountain range moronbro.
Yes and caucasus is a part of pontic steppe
Africans made similar towers, they aren't proof of sedentary lifestyle. It's proof that there was fights for resources in the region.
> Caucasians range from 30 to 50%
Show me your dog shit models. I know for a fact that you included non caucasian samples.
>Yes and caucasus is a part of pontic steppe
No?
Definitely not the regions inhabited by caucasians
Moron, why would I interpret geographic features on the basis of ethnic divisions?
Also, your shit map includes non caucasian countries/populations. Why contradict yourself like this?
, why would I interpret geographic features on the basis of ethnic divisions?
because ethnic divisions in the caucasus are draw along geographic features, most of the areas you see in that salmon shade of pink, the actual pontic caspian steppe is inhabited by russians, cossacks and the like mostly, caucasians settled the region for times and for times it was setled byb other people, most caucasians and the core of their population is the area in purple and ocassionally those in blue or green. the reason is because they are simply different economically and the caucasian cultures formed along other economy that depends on agriculture
>>also your shit map
ugh? is the one map on geographical subzones there was, i don't decide who paints them, sorry incel
>Your own people practiced nomadism you moron.
There isn't nomads in the caucasus. Nomads that settled the caucasus never left.
>You aren't a farmoid.
Oh jesus christ do you believe nomadism is economically oposed to agriculture? EEF like globular amphora were agropastoralists, nilotes like dinkas are agropastoralists, a mainly cattle based economy complemented by agriculture is not unique.
>You have no EEF
Caucasians range from 30 to 50%
>natufian
Actual nomadic saudi camel piss ancestry. Desert arab bedouin-piss nomads. Unlike say, iran N, who developed its own agricultural societies even after abo admix in pakjitstan, natufians have never developed sedentarism and agriculture until the later PPNB anf admixtures.
Gee it is almost like when people groups move into a region they mix with the locals. Who could have imagined?
a huge part of the Caucasus is part of the PIE steppe, getting the CHG admixture wasn't that difficult.
Most of the North Caucasus is still based on cattle breeding much more than on agriculture.
You are an unhinged moronic from what i 've read in this thread, and your views on nationality are new world modernist tier, yet you somehow manage to have hate boner for some CHG mountain dwellers, get a life LMAO
moron, that isn't me lmfao.
That's probably some euro or iranian that's obsessed with your people.
I don't have a hatred for you specifically, I don't like any steppe.
Accept it or don't. Churkoid lies have no place in this board.
What churkoid lies? that agriculture has been in caucasus before eu? yeah, those are not lies, those are just the facts
Sure, that doesn't mean it started with you gypsies. You just learned it from ANF, which is what I've been saying this whole time.
>Gypsies
I don't think you even know what that word is
A traveler. Like CHG was.
>Gypsy= traveler
Fine metaphor but even if i humor you and say you are right, it still doesn't make sense, all people moved around, and all people had their beginning in hunter-gatherer societies after which they evolved into agriculture, and as i told you above, Caucasus is one of the oldest places in the world where that began, you coped your way out by saying it was ANF, and not CHG without realising that those populations don't exist today and people who live in modern day caucasus, whom you call ''churkoids'' are decendent of both. don't reply to me again you bad faith arguing opinionated homosexual
There are no ANF populations in Caucasus you seething little mongrel.
> Caucasus is one of the oldest places in the world where that began
Asia Minor and Mesopotamia is suddenly a part of Caucasus now? Lmfao.
moronic gypsy, ANF is alien to Caucasus. No one in Caucasus (Georgians and Azerbaijanis and above) have high ANF admixture.
Stop fricking bumping this gay thread. No one here cares about your little country problems. You're just making your country look really bad.
>There are no ANF populations in Caucasus you seething little mongrel.
False
>Asia Minor and Mesopotamia is suddenly a part of Caucasus now? Lmfao
If you actually possess some reading capeabilites you would have read that i said ''one of the'' not ''oldest'' alone.
>moronic gypsy, ANF is alien to Caucasus. No one in Caucasus (Georgians and Azerbaijanis and above) have high ANF admixture.
Both ANF and CHG have same root, and while yes ANF might not be majority of Caucasian gemone it still is sizeable part of it
>Stop fricking bumping this gay thread. No one here cares about your little country problems. You're just making your country look really bad.
This just proves the last point of my previous reply to you, you are a opinionated moronic homosexual who has hate boner for some small nation, hate boner so big that he has to make it known in every thread. but you are right on one thing though i'm not bumping this shit up anymore, it's only me and you here, and you clearly don't have an open mind, anyways here's you last (you) enjoy it.
what's the point of lying lol
Lamo, Georgians are literally one of the last populations with Ydna ANF, but yes, their ANF is usually under 40%.
nta but, anf is only high in armenians and assyrians in the region, but they're not even caucasian, nor do their countries lie in caucasus
can you quit bumping this thread and do something else?