>Start with the greeks

>Start with the greeks
who did the greeks start with?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their forebears

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This anon is correct. Start with PIE - language, linguistics, archaeology, theology (comparative), mythology, anthropology, etc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Indo Europeans
      >Not "aryans"
      This is like seeing "BCE", I'm probably gonna skip it

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Homer started with the oral tradition which he codified in a definitive version. The rest of them built upon Homer.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't they learn quite a bit from the Babylonians and the Egyptians? And of course they got their alphabet from the Phoenicians.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Egyptians, mostly

      This has been answered a thousand times, the Egyptians.

      >the Egyptians
      >The Egyptians
      >the Egyptians
      I thought so

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Who did the egyptians start with?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Atlantis

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      >the Egyptians
      >The Egyptians
      >the Egyptians
      I thought so

      Egypt, Persia, Sarmatian/Scythians.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Scythians
        They were uncivilized barbarians lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          At least they had the Enaries.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And yet the Greeks were intrigued and influenced by them regardless.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, they were the ones who turned the Greeks gay. The truth is now out.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >yet the Greeks were intrigued and influenced by them regardless
            Herodotus was mainly interested in their "tree which bears fruit most unusual" aka that sticky icky afghani OG eyebleeding kush

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Egyptians, mostly

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This has been answered a thousand times, the Egyptians.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who influenced the Egyptians? Who did the Egyptians start with?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Hebrews

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong,it's the Ethiopians. They precede everybody.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Redpill me on the current state of Ancient Ethiopian literature?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            dont worry anon, i archived your mistake

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They mostly started with themselves and their own thoughts and experiences. The Greeks were somewhat aware of other cultures on the region, but they were unburdened by the "anxiety of influence" in a way that's impossible for us - with 4000 years of world culture instantly accessible at all times - to understand. They were innocents, and so their thoughts had a purity which can't be reproduced, only reacted to.

    Why the Greeks and not someone else? Good question.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why the Greeks and not someone else?
      This is one of the most fascinating questions to me. Despite the fact that lots of Greeks had a fascination for Egypt not unlike what the West has/had for the East nowadays. Like the legend that Plato and Pythagoras studied in Egypt.
      Why the Greeks, probably because of their agonal instinct: the desire for competition and to be the best. First in the obvious arena of athletic competition, later in the domain of Sophistry. Not being the best with your body but being the best with your words. Which later develops into Philosophy. Other cultures didn't seem to have this deep-bred instinct for competition and one-upping the other. Even Greek tragedies were composed in the spirit of competition with other playwrights. No doubt this competitive environment led to the production of high quality culture

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Atlantis. Atlas invented astrology, the first science.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If Plato is to be believed, the Atlanteans.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Egyptians, Hermeticism.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hermeticism is post christ

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yakub

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some of their astrological thought came from Assyrians. Overall you probably want to know about Sumer/Akkad region and Egyptians.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >who did the greeks start with?
    They quite literally started with the Phoenician alphabet after the locals had become illiterate.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages
    The ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Homer’s reference to the story of Bellerophontes makes reference to Linear B. It is referred to as “scratchings.”

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the phoenicians, babylonians, and egyptians became israelites in their latter halves of history, ergo the greeks were israelites

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Phoenician colonization
      My favorite oxymoron of the day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How so?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Illiterate moron.
        https://www.worldhistory.org/Phoenician_Colonization/
        https://phoenicia.org/colonies.html
        >The Phoenicians were well known to their contemporaries as sea traders and colonizers,
        https://www.britannica.com/place/Phoenicia

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          From your source:
          >The Phoenicians lacked the manpower and the need to found large colonies as the Greeks did, and few of their settlements grew to any size.
          which leads us back to your moronic assertion:
          >The ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, the author made a mistake and didn't have the full information (namely that greece was colonized by Phoenicians).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.
      This is about as dumb as ascribing all of the development in Central Italy to Greek culture despite the fact the two had little to do with each other for centuries.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's about as dumb as saying that colonization of America couldn't have happened because the two had little to do with each other for centuries, and ascribing all of America's progress to the local population, rather than the colonizers.
        The Mineceans were illiterate just like Native Americans. Asiatic colonizers in Greece used a version of the Phoenician alphabet and buried the locals in their mines. They brought their own wives so didn't need them for breeding either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The Mineceans were illiterate just like Native Americans
          It's Mycenaeans and they had a script, and so did the Native Americans.

          [...]
          Also, both Etruria (modern day Lazio) and Greece were Phoenician colonies, fyi.
          The correct analysis would be ascribing the development of both to Phoenician colonizers.

          >Also, both Etruria (modern day Lazio) and Greece were Phoenician colonies, fyi.
          Etruria is a region and we don't know where they came from, that is if they weren't just locals to the region like almost everyone else in Central Italy was. Don't ascribe it to being Greek and Phoenician despite there being literally 0 evidence for it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They became illiterate during the Greek Dark ages, moron.

            >Etruria is a region and we don't know where they came from, that is if they weren't just locals to the region like almost everyone else in Central Italy was. Don't ascribe it to being Greek and Phoenician despite there being literally 0 evidence for it
            We do actually, read a book.
            >Following these earlier adventurers came regular colonists. Both Greece and Etruria were settled from Phoenicia. These colonists partook to some extent of the character of the discoverers and adventurers who had preceded them. They retained their mining character, they spurned agriculture, and preferred buying their supplies of food in Egypt to raising it themselves. They were brave, reckless, adventurous, and cruel; they fought one another with ferocity; they imperilled their lives for the most trifling advantages; they pushed their way into the forests and explored the newly found continent from the Mediterranean to the Alps; they forced the natives into their mines and slew them without remorse. On the other hand, they had their own women with them, which their predecessors had not; they reared legitimate offspring; they built permanent homes, and they introduced the social influence of the mechanic arts and the refining effects of letters.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >We do actually, read a book.
            Mind proving it then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Those who refuse to read are also considered illiterate.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Make a claim
            >Refuse to prove it
            >Call people illiterate for not believing a claim you refuse to prove

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Where's that snippet from?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            History of Money in Ancient Times - Alexander Del Mar, Chapter "Aboriginal Europe"
            https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=delmar&book=ancient&story=europe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks. The book is fairly old though, are you sure the assertions in it aren't outdated?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of course.
            Greeks used a modified version of the Phoenician alphabet.
            Even Wikipedia writes that cities were introduced to geographical Italy by Phoenicians. Phoenicia was a collective of city states.
            >The Phoenicians introduced to Sardinia a form of urban aggregation hitherto unknown to the natives: the city.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician%E2%80%93Punic_Sardinia

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >0 fricking citations

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The actual book has citations and a bibliography, peruse it if you so desire.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's about as dumb as saying that colonization of America couldn't have happened because the two had little to do with each other for centuries, and ascribing all of America's progress to the local population, rather than the colonizers.
        The Mineceans were illiterate just like Native Americans. Asiatic colonizers in Greece used a version of the Phoenician alphabet and buried the locals in their mines. They brought their own wives so didn't need them for breeding either.

        Also, both Etruria (modern day Lazio) and Greece were Phoenician colonies, fyi.
        The correct analysis would be ascribing the development of both to Phoenician colonizers.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    other, older, greeks

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Homer, reality, egypt

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Start with the Neets

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the minoans

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The same people from whom the greeks learned how to write aka phoenician and fertile cresent homies.
    Many Greek and Roman authors mention about the existence of huge phoenician libraries but all that knowledge is lost

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Real life

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think all early greek thinkers and philosophers were from anatolia? They were influenced by the Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Egyptians

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    THE BLACKS.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thales, some turk

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They stole everything from ancient africans.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >*claps hands*
    START
    >*claps hands*
    WITH
    >*claps hands*
    MCLUHAN

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Organon was a very popular starting place during Aristotle's lifetime. Even most Platonists recommended starting there because of how autistically rigid the separation of topics from one book to another is. If you are just looking for a step by step guide to think more critically before you get to into the ideological camps of Western Philosophy, you should probably start there too. Obviously Plato is also a great starting point. There is a certain didcaticism that Aristotle and Plato both possess that I haven't seen in any of the other philosophers I've read.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    aliums

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient Vikings aka Dorians, who came from Central Europe and invaded mainland Greece during its Dark Ages, bringing civilization back to life. It would explain why most heroes and gods have blond or red hair.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aha. Then how come their own homeland was such a shithole? Probably got assimilated by the urbanised Greeks instead I think.

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