stoicism sounded really cool until i found out marcus aurelius' wife cheated on him with multiple people, kinda ruined it for me
stoicism sounded really cool until i found out marcus aurelius' wife cheated on him with multiple people, kinda ruined it for me
Epictetus is the main stoicism guy. Marcus doesn't even deserve to clean his sandals.
Yeah spoken like a true stoic with your idolatry
Look up what Herodes Atticus did to his wife.
okay but what had she done to his honor?
What did you want Marcus to do? seethe and mope about it?
have her killed. he was the emperor.
Seems a bit daft to abandon a philosophy because of what someone's wife, and not the guy himself, may or may not of done 2000 years ago, that is the reaction of a child.
That is what a Tyrant like Nero would've done, he wasn't one, not all the roman emperors were murderous dictators, Antoninus was supposedly a fair leader too. The whole point of stoicism is living with virtue and pretty much disregarding things external to the will, and realizing people will do bad things through ignorance. If he killed his wife, he wouldn't be living according to nature in the Stoic sense.
He was acquitted due to insufficient evidence, we don't know if he did it or not, it was over 2000 years ago.
He is right really, Epictetus was massive in that period, his teacher Musonius Rufus was considered also considered the roman Socrates. Marcus was just a practitioner.
From what i have heard Seneca may not have been highly regarded by the other Stoics because of his association with Nero, none of the others seem to mention him, he was viewed more as a politician and businessman, and even now many view him as a hypocrite.
>That is what a Tyrant like Nero would've done, he wasn't one, not all the roman emperors were murderous dictators, Antoninus was supposedly a fair leader too. The whole point of stoicism is living with virtue and pretty much disregarding things external to the will, and realizing people will do bad things through ignorance. If he killed his wife, he wouldn't be living according to nature in the Stoic sense.
Killing adulterers is virtuous, every worthwhile society has said so
>Killing adulterers is virtuous, every worthwhile society has said so
It's what every barbaric society did, do you not realize if you did such a thing that it would make you worse than the person who did the adultery as it would make you a murderer? What you are recommending is inhumane, not virtuous. Read Epictetus discourses 1.18, you are suggesting killing someone for being morally blind and acting from ignorance, both of these things can be rectified and people can change as a result.
>No consequences for actions
This is not based, stoicbros...
There is consequences, said person becomes untrustworthy and becomes known as a adulterer/thief/thug or whatever as a result and many times are punished in a court of law for their actions depending on the severity of their crimes, but to say they should be killed is itself barbaric and makes you no better then them. Most people, if shown the error of their ways, can and do change and become better people, by killing them you deny them that chance.
Yeah great. How's that working out? So far it has a 100% track record of destroying society.
I think female adultery is entirely worthy of death, but since you only have one life I think society should just enslave you instead.
sinners know they are sinning and hundred fricking percent of the time lmao what are you on about broski.
>Most people, if shown the error of their ways, can and do change and become better people
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
People can, and do change. Most people at 40 are not the same person mentally as they were at 20 and vice versa, many people regret what they may have done when they were younger and more ignorant for example. I thought most people who have been around a while knew this, it's common sense. I myself did shit when i was younger what i regret and try be a better person now as a result.
>I myself did shit when i was younger what i regret and try be a better person now as a result.
What did you do?
I was pretty violent and assaulted people over mere words, and said shit to women i regret. i was a slave to my emotions like anger and envy, now that i am older i think what the frick was i doing then.
>>I was pretty violent and assaulted people over mere words, and said shit to women i regret.
So did you contact them and offer compensation? Did you report yourself to the police to serve your time?
>So did you contact them and offer compensation?
I apologised yes after i came back to my senses and they forgave me, i didn't have any money to give though as i was pretty poor at that time.
>Did you report yourself to the police to serve your time?
Nope, if i did such a thing now though i would do so, i wouldn't do such a thing now though as i am not that person anymore thankfully.
Ok, so you didn't do anything and you're still the same piece of shit.
>Ok, so you didn't do anything
i did, i still assaulted someone.
>and you're still the same piece of shit
It was going on 20 years ago mate, and i still have regrets and i am a different person like i said, less prone to anger and more compassionate, I was a little piece of shit, i would be the first to admit that, but like i said people change. I think if you went up to a copper now and said you smacked someone in the face 20 years ago when you were 17 years old they would look at you funny just tell you to stop wasting their time.
More to the point, bad people don't go around thinking they are bad like some moustache twirling villain in a Saturday morning cartoon, they usually think they are doing the right thing. People who deal in crack and heroin for example think they will be doing the right thing by supporting their families, but they're not because not only are they poisoning their communities they are also funding violent crime. People living in ignorance usually need to be shown the error of the ways through lawful punishment or some other way, but if you go around murdering people over minor infractions, how does that make you any better than them? and also some people would prefer death to being jailed for example, death is a one and done thing.
>both of these things can be rectified and people can change as a result.
So? Who cares if someone can change. If you did something wrong that is unforgivable there is no need nor reason to give them a chance at redemption. At that point you are just asking for it to happen again. Better to just kill the adulterer and be done with it.
>would make you a murderer? What you are recommending is inhumane
Who would've guessed the stoic uses his ''philosophy'' to just be a pussy.
>you are suggesting killing someone for being morally blind and acting from ignorance
treating grown ass adults like puppies who don't know what they're doing. Your own ignorance and blindness allows shit people to continue being shit.
>That is what a Tyrant would've done
>If he killed his wife, he wouldn't be living according to nature in the Stoic sense
wow no wonder libertarians like stoicism
so what you are saying is, the stoics are for bootlickers?
Fully convinced modern Stoicism (and also "Mindfulness") is purposefully pushed on wagies so they don't go insane from their hellish existence and murder people. Investor bros like it too because it lets them ignore the fact that they're being milked dry by scam artists luring them with dreams of being Warren Buffett.
The only healthy Stoic ever was George Washington.
>is purposefully pushed on wagies so they don't go insane from their hellish existenc
I wish I could show you worms hellish existence. If working for 8 hours is pain then you cannot imagine how worse it can get. It's a shame we cant dignify you with slavery
What's your idea of pain then?
Bullying you physically and mentally. Maybe a little rape.
But simply living in a life that requires you to work and struggle is not really my idea of torture
Some people find manual labour detestable and torturous. It's simply another facet of life. If that perplexes you, you need to find something else to transfix on then because its as common as birds in the sky.
I know, manual labour is a ubiquitous facet of life. If that perplexes you, then you need to find something else to transfix on. Because you might not be cut out for living. If you don't work you always die
Not true at all. Manual labour is only one way to "work". The point of my post which seemed to be lost on your sensitive soul (seething for no reason) is that people are all different. What works for one does not work for another. The fact you needed to question something evident from everyday life shows how truly inept and immature you are. Kys now before the other realities of life set in.
Without modern technology, manual labor is the only work you would ever do. I'm sorry you can't land an office job. It's not really my fault the suffering bar for you is this low and that natural selection no longer works on people like you. You're such a loser that you think calling someone immature is anything but you blowing wind out of your mouth.
>mindcucked amerilards who think people in the past worked 15h a day for their feudal lord, digging out turnips and taking it up the ass whenever massa had a boner
no, that Black person slavery shit is just pure israelite fanfic material and it's not real at all. Go read a history book you illiterate diabeetus pigmutts
>making up shit I never said
Love to see it
pigmutt detected
let me spell it out for ya: oink oink
>so they don't go insane from their hellish existence and murder people
You've got it backwards, all people are insane and many people 'want' to murder people; if they can't they are just psychopaths and sociopaths in more cowardly ways, hence stoicism; to at least regiment the mind into a semblance of sanity.
>pushed by investor bros
It's not "pushed" anywhere; the entire consumer society is constantly pushing the opposite, "just do it" - as well as the massive influence on our direction as a species via politics of emotionalism, atrocity propaganda, etc.,
Real discussions on stoicism involve the highlighting of Pathos as the extreme and single evil in the world, and that of Logic as the antidote. Christians hate actual Stoicism because they quickly realize, after looking into it, that Pathos constitutes most their religion - along with the modern day George Floyd stories and generic lefty-lib fake-piety fake-outrage.
So stoicism is only for the mentally deranged? Why not make stoicism a requirement to treat sociopathy?
>So stoicism is only for the mentally deranged? Why not make stoicism a requirement to treat sociopathy?
if anyone believes in things without proof then they're mentally deranged at the core level - that's the point. But yes. Good observation. Stocism + Psychiatry is the way to advance beyond this basic childrens tier of "hm marcus aurelius, wroted a book, you say?" that people seem to get stuck in.
Killing someone for fulfilling their basic human desires is the mark of a beast, telling them what they did wrong and trying to change them is a sign of more enlightened human being. You don't wrong wrongs by becoming an animal yourself.
Are you going to go full Justin Trudeau and say "if you kill your enemies, they win"
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
The problem with that shit is that while it makes a lot of sense for a simpleton, it starts a never ending cycle. It works wonders for monkeys that can't really think ahead of time.
>The problem with that shit is it starts a never ending cycle
Not if you kill them all
also up until the modern era, war was great for technological advancement, and a way to keep population numbers in check
Yes, but even then it doesn't work exactly like that, because consider that you engage in such a thing. Then what? Do you think that other people will trust you? They will unite themselves to kill you.
Of course, just like everyone united against the US after they bombed all those countries...
>everyone united against the US
Not really, the problem is that there are multiple countries somewhat capable of that. So yeah, more like all countries blowing up multiple times.
>the problem is that there are multiple countries somewhat capable of that
See, there's not much to worry about. Also Hitler killing all those israelites was not what made the Allies go to war with him. There's not a single piece of wartime or pre-war propaganda even mentioning the Holocaust.
I don't know, but currently we are in a stage where we are making sure that
doesn't turn into all countries being capable of blowing up all other countries. Governments aren't exactly cool things.
>They will unite themselves to kill you.
Unless you are the big kid on the block they won't, look at what happened when Rome killed off all of Carthage, it wasn't till much later that the empire fell
although I will admit not having a worthy enemy was a big reason for Rome decline much like the USA's post cold war
>Edgy
yes many people pre-modern era had "edgy ideas on how to handle rivals, just look up the Mongols, they where some real edgy boys
I'm not saying being cruel, I agree with Machiavelli when he said "the only good wars are quick ones"
but one must understand that some population (cough cough germans) just can't help themselves but destroy and degrade civilization, and as such like a dog that bites his master, must be put down
>not having a worthy enemy
It was more like it fell over its own weight. The US is somewhat fine, it transitioned to other things, but it is not like you couldn't "go back" and "make it great again", in the sense of bringing back factories and shit and get immigrants to work on that. But it wouldn't make any sense.
Honestly I don't think that is the problem with a the USA
the USA needs a purpose, just think of all the technologies that came from the cold war, hell even the internet is a cold war technology
but since then nothing really new has come, and I believe its due to not having an outside opposition that can challenge it
factories and all the other things are of the past, we must towards the future not the past
while true, if no outside force challenges the state, then it will turn inwards, and that's when life gets really bad
he might as well have
let's be honest here
Quick wars also stem from weakness.
All states are weak or are afraid of becoming weak, so there’s perpetual offensive and defensive maneuvering going on. A deadly chess game that calls itself civilization.
Edgy
Trudeau never actually said that
I dunno maybe tyrants have the right idea. Anyways women shouldn’t have sexual autonomy whatsoever. So many men are destitute because of the fact they aren’t.
Oh look a bunch of cucks. How's the wife's bull doing btw. Ask me if she needs a new one
so? the entire point of stoicism is not giving a shit about these things. so he was put to a real test to see if his philosophy was for real or if he was just larping and he passed. can't even argue that he was just coping because he was the fricking emperor and could have had her killed with no consequences at all. you will never reach this level of integrity and you think everyone else is like you.
Meditations was never even meant to be read, it was his person journal and wasn't even called that at first, but ''to himself''. It was never meant for publication. It's not the be all end all of stoic texts, it's not even a good start if you want to get into it.
It takes a much stronger person mentally to forgive and forget then to fly into a murderous rage and kill or harm people who wrong you, that is a action of people who are not only slaves to what others say or do, but also slaves to their emotions, it is actually weakness disguised as strength.
You don't see the most important thing. For him sex was like a cup of coffee for you. The marriage for an emperor was not a way to acquire pussy, but to get more wealth and influence.Would you kill your wife for drinking coffee?
Correct
>the stoics are for bootlickers
This isn't true either, some Stoic philosophers got executed or exiled for speaking out against the emperors of the time, and they knew this would happen to them if they did so, yet they still did it.
>Who cares how many cups of coffee my wife drank?
I swear every rightoid homie has some laughable ego problem.
I don't know why nobody said it but Marcus, on advise of his stoic teacher, murdered his wife's lover in front of her making sure his blood and brain matter covered her as she screamed in fear and then threatened her she would be next if anything like that ever happened again. That was considered the stoic response, because it's the most rational
>I don't know why nobody said it
i ignored this "weekly stoic thread" that the christcucks made, after a while it gets too boring to point out the same errors they make and come back and make them again.
they're doing /misc/, not anything reality-based.
dont get me wrong, i'm not saying give up, i'm saying hunt them down and murder them until their noise stops.
same handful of people, same shit responses,
>Go back to pleddit
... u know what im no going to even scroll up this time
So only one of several lovers?
Is that a man?
probably, looks like one
Yes, "she" is a well know YouTuber troony.
Philosophy Tube raped Contrapoints. I'm not even kidding, look it up.
>Philosophy Tube raped Contrapoints
what? story here? seeing some rumors but nothing substantial
found this schizocollage about it. if this is real holy shit
I want to rent a 737 and ship everyone involved in this to Afghanistan.
Got a version of that that's actually readable?
Yes, that's a man and he's funded by the UK government to push their agenda. Philosophy Tube is funded by the Royal Institution whose top donor is King Charles. It's strange that when these "influencers" start to receive state funding, directly or indirectly, they go troony.
no this is a trans woman
>a trans woman
a.k.a. A perverted mentally ill man.
>perverted
what makes her perverted?
As a non mentally ill man, how many hours per day do you ponder the trans question
What is it with breadtube and turning everything into a limp-wristed gay circus show?
They're american.
*anglo
Stoicism was always a limp-wristed gay circus
Leftism is dysgenic
They are insecure about their masculinity and hate things they deem weak and effeminate. Hence the constant projections and self loathing
the consequences of contrapoints. everyone seems to ape her hyper-campy, theatrical aesthetic. its frustrating, because to a lot of people (like me), its just unnecessary, performative bullshit that more often than not obfuscates rather than emphasises whatever point the creator is trying to make.
I honestly struggle to see any common ground with Catonian Stoicism and the youtuber theatrics. Seething satire would be more effective to undermine the rampant idiocy of modern frivolity. As like: Martial, Aetellan and Menippean Satire, etc.
You don't need to really 'teach' stoicism to people as much as grind away the nonsense-thinking of inferior people; then stoicism (in the principles) comes naturally to the mind.
My faith of stoicism restored when I heard what Seneca did on his citizens
We should send trannies to the bottom of the ocean
Influential Roman women(and men) were often slandered and had accusations against them just like people are now, you shouldn't listen to slander and hearsay, ancient or modern. It is what ignorant people do.
Marcus Aurelius is one of the most overrated Roman emperors in existence. The only reason he has a legacy is because of Meditations. Imagine if we had the diary of Augustus or Trajan; he would be quickly discarded.
It's especially worth noting that his "based stoicism" lead to him not bothering to adopt a decent ruler as his son as everyone had done before since "things are how they are and can't be changed", giving us one of the most infamously bad emperors Rome ever had.
Not having his son as heir would've let to even more bloodshed through civil war, and the only reason the other emperors didn't have their biological sons as heirs is because they didn't have any, it's unfair to blame a philosophy for this.
Also some people just turn out bad even if they had good parents, perhaps through other outside experiences and experiences who knows. It's also necessary to remember Marcus spent the mass majority of his reign fighting the Germanic tribes on the northern frontier, he probably didn't even have much time to be with his son and teach him properly. If someone is so close to absolute power and wealth like his son was without proper teaching there is no wonder he turned out like he did IMO.
Seriously, this book should be read as an "example" for what you could be writing about in your OWN meditations. This is why I deeply dislike this whole stoicism crap, in the end, people are better off reading a philosophy textbook than any book related to it. If after that, you still feel like you want to know more about it, great, go for it. But I seriously don't understand why people don't bother getting fricking textbooks, they are fricking great nowadays.
>But I seriously don't understand why people don't bother getting fricking textbooks, they are fricking great nowadays
Stoicism is for living, not reading. The kind of people who need text books almost never put them into practice, just want some credit for reading an adult book.
And meditations is one guys thoughts.
>Stop arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.
Be what?
A good man
Be nis
So I'm a really weak-willed person. I can't resist temptations at all. I always take the road less traveled and i am easily intimidated. Apart from touching grass and facing the real world, should i study stoicism?
Psychology is way better imo. Seriously, get a textbook. You are going after some ancient shit vs the best science can offer.
>some ancient shit vs the best science can offer
I'll take some ancient shit anytime
Might as well try some magic, sorcery and witchcraft.
Is that what turned you into such a homosexual?
Uh no, but that is the kind of shit that the stoics used to believe.
Psychology isn't science, it's israeli schlock.
>ancient book that is widely read because of its timeless wisdom that has been proved again and again
>modern psychology where they blame everything on generational trauma and weird sexual fetishes not getting to be acted out with based on unscientific sources and are driven by ~~*researchers*~~ writing pseud bullshit to get their research bucks from the globohomosexual state
I'll choose the former.
It isn't the worst thing you can do so why not.
study the barbell
Get regular exercise and read Existential Psychotherapy by Irvin Yalom.
Can't say it would hurt you, it is hard work though so be prepared to put the effort in.
People in general believed that stuff 2000 years ago, doesn't mean you have to, you can just adopt the ethical side of it. Science is not a cure for every single thing.
It is not, but what about trying le science, before going for le ancient crap? That is called being practical.
I don't know, some don't find science as interesting? science can be very dry and boring imo, why does it matter to you the approach someone takes in trying to be a better person anyway.
Maybe because Christianity got most out of it? And considering that he lives in the western hemisphere of the globe, there is a decent chance that this is what he was taught at home? So in some sense, he already tried it? And it would be a good idea to try something else?
How do you know he studied Christianity in any depth as being religious is becoming less and less common and if if he or she did then reading Stoic texts would refresh them seeing as Christian teachings were influenced by Stoicism.
Either way is valid at the end of the day.
Primary sources ?
Get an actual clinical psychologist or a textbook on some stupid therapy, I recommend cognitive beharioral.
>haven't watched the OP's video
>actual philosopher
>went after a psychologist first
>literally the serenity prayer AKA "It is in God's hands"
This is something that I used to hear literally everyday. I don't know, do you really need some of those things?
>Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Look at this. I'm serious, and I'm not even religious. I'm not saying that stoicism is shit, but you already have it if you had a Christian education.
Stoicism, at least that of Epictetus, says it in a more practical way, so it is worth reading.
Also, there is this too, which is what I really dislike about both stoicism and Christianity is that in the end they are ways to cope and help you get going with your shit. They won't help you really change something, as in getting to reasons behind things, maybe uncovering some trauma, finding a way to "fix it" and moving on. This is the realm of psychology. It won't turn a slave into a emperor, you will just end up being a happy slave.
I agree, but if it helps then i think it is worth doing, i don't think anyone would say it is a cure for deep seated mental issues, that is the job of a professional to help fix.
>you will just end up being a happy slave
Well it's better to be a happy slave then a unhappy one isn't it? and Stoic philosophy doesn't claim to be able to change anything outside of the will. In a way we are all slaves to our desires.
Maybe, this is where is can get pretty fricking nasty. If you are raising your child like that, you have to be happy with whatever that you got. If they end up having some trouble and can't be anything but a "slave", you can't keep pushing them to be an emperor and expect that some miracle will happen down the line.
That is also my second main problem with it, it is a pretty simplistic world view, it doesn't work with considering an other person experience. You will end up always projecting your own experience into theirs. And the reason why I really like Kierkegaard and somewhat despise most Christian stuff.
The mass majority of the things in this world are out of our control, that is the simple fact of life. If you try change it you will never be happy and always anxious, i know, i was that person once.
I changed a lot of things, it led me from living a nightmare to being quite ok with things. Resignation isn't always the best answer to everything. The thing is that with this kind of thinking, you won't go after thing that you can maybe mess around.
Look at you, you will default to doing the same thing over and over, almost never trying anything new that could potentially change your life and so on.
>haven't watched the OP's video
Never said i did, can't be arsed to watch a video when i have the books on my shelf already
>This is something that I used to hear literally everyday. I don't know, do you really need some of those things?
Not sure what you mean, please explain
I do because science is fake
Not very stoic to cut your dick and balls off because you're a pervert.
>bro this is what being a men is all about
>believing in ancient fairy tales
>pragmatism makes you gay
Anons are literally either women or children.
Stoicism is a chud meme
I unironically can’t get aroused by her because of her huge man-jaw. I worry that she’s going to chomp down on my dick.
>she
>the man-jaw is connected to the ... man-face.
>the man-face is connected to the ... man.
>she
Oh, bro, you're so naive.
Some ancient texts are still being read, because they still have some value about learning about how human nature works and how to be a more moral person, you can still get some value out of the bible even if you don't necessarily believe in some Abrahamic god, base human nature hasn't actually changed much if at all.
Man believe woman
Ancestor cry
I am vomit
>"It is in God's hands"
"It is in God's hands"
Frick it, it is what it is.
.t marky mark
> marcus aurelius' wife cheated on him with multiple people
>Roman orgy
The Greek civ is the most based civ on Earth, and the Franks too maybe.
Stoicism was invented by slaves and is latched on to by people who have totally given up on the idea that they can regulate their emotions in a healthy way to the point that total repression seems like a good idea
Stoicism isn't about repressing emotions, it's about reacting to them in a healthier manner. Furthermore we are slaves in one way or another, be it money, status, our bodies, women or other people.
>Stoicism isn't about repressing emotions, it's about reacting to them in a healthier manner.
That's what people always say, but when I probe further and ask what this looks like it always amounts to simply trying to repress anger or anxiety or sadness. I think stoicism is so popular because no one realizes how emotions work and stoicism is quite seductive in that it alleges you can you just become a stoic and choose to control your emotions when there are typically a lot of steps you have to take to truly achieve healthy regulation if you have anger and anxiety issues.
It's not letting an impression make you do something you will later regret, say someone randomly loudly insults me on the street, i could immediately assent to the impression, go up to him and smack him in the face and subsequently be arrested and have a criminal record as a result over a mere word just to protect my ego, or i could think, wait a minute, this person is acting out of ignorance and doesn't know abusing people on the street is wrong, should i get angry to protect my own ego, potentially ruining my own life in the process or should i pity him instead and just ignore him and walk away, not ruining my own life in the process but he will make himself look like a idiot. Will i feel angry? of course, no amount of philosophy can get rid of emotions, but i didn't let it rule me, that is the difference between a Stoic and ordinary person. People mistake modern stiff upper lip stoicism which is emotional repression for ancient capital letter Stoicism.
Seriously. I like to think of stoicism as just cucked taoism, and or taoism but for miserable losers.
> stoicism sounded really cool until
Recommend me books that explain the fundamentals of Stoicism, please.
Is the part of Zeno’s biography in the book about Hellenistic philosophers by Diogenes enough to understand the fundamentals of his philosophy?
How to be a stoic massimo pigliucci
How to think like a roman emperor
The discourses and enchiridion of Epictetus(oxford classics)
Thanks.
>a woman that know a lot of philosophy
>It's actually a troony (a man that thinks he's a woman)
Kek, big L for women.
Why are these videos always some weird freak show that look like they're ripped straight out of one of the Terrifier movies?
There is einzelganger, daily stoic, and some other philosophy channels what have err...more conventional people.
Einzelganger needs more Nietzsche in his life. If his life is a reflection of his videos, I assume it must be dull.
Check out Weltgeist, it's basically audio with fitting paintings, pretty comfy and gets to the point
(You) are an insecure moron basedboy.
>X's dog ran away from him. So all his work is irrelevant and has no value.
Seneca's letter 78 has been pretty helpful for me. Other than him living a lavish life, why does he have a bad rep?
>Other than him living a lavish life
Stoics are not forbidden from having wealth, they just shouldn't be attached to it. It's the cynics like Diogenes who disregard all material wealth, wealth is a preferred indifference to the Stoics.
>cheating wife
That's the ultimate test for a stoic
Assuming you go the "don't give a shit" way, would a stoic cut all ties with her or turn it into a marriage of convenience and become a cuck (have her cook for you and do your laundry and she gets to frick whoever)?
It's preferable to have a wife then not have one, but either way you can live without one. A Stoic places value on what is his(His will, soul and his desires and aversions) and nothing external from these things, including his body, wife, reputation and status etc.
>than not have one
Exactly. As a stoic, you're also not supposed to make matters worse for yourself so logic would dictate it's better to come to an arrangement with her where she fulfills her wifely duties towards you and in exchange she gets to be a prostitute.
Now here's the issue, most normal men would not be able to come to terms with being a cuck. One of those things where we're kind of hardwired to lash out and act (ir)rationally. What do?
>One of those things where we're kind of hardwired to lash out and act (ir)rationally. What do?
Stop caring about your reputation and what others think of you, that's all. People i know have been slandered and accused of much worse things than being a cuckold yet still go around with a smile on their face. Ignorant people are going to to bad things like slander and gossip about others, to expect otherwise is insanity, it's more about their character then anyone else's.
>it's more
it says more*
Depending on the intent of the woman when cheating on him. If the intent is revenge, the woman hates him and there's no use remaining together. If it's mere boredom and lust, a deal could be arranged.
How have people here not even heard of PhilosophyTube?
Im scared to check if hbomberguy is a troon now, I’m thinking at least a homosexual though…
Does that fricking matter? It is not like I was planning on having a daughter and that I would love her to marry that dude.
All I know about this guy is he's a troony (pedophile-autogynephile)
It's quite interesting really, many ancient Stoic philosophers such as Musonius Rufus say men should grow there beards out as we were given them by nature to distinguish us as men separate from women and that it is unnatrual as men to make ourselves effeminate, i'm sure that part is left out in some circles.
Men have always been the best philosophers
>How have people here not even heard of PhilosophyTube?
why would you listen to a single opinion a tr@nnygender monster has? kys bro that stupid youtuber guy has literally zero lit value
Men who transition should be immediately killed. They are making a choice, similar to how gay men choose to frick children.
>you mean IQfy doesn't waste its time watching high-school-tier summaries of books instead of actually reading said books?
Philosophers should not be interested in anything as pathetic as the flesh, which is constantly decaying and needs constant nourishment. Death even should be no more than a essential part of nature to someone who calls themselves a Philosopher.
god damn "bread tube" was so cringe. is hassan that turkroach one a troon yet?
No, but he's a closet gay sub
>I sometimes see very masculine muscle bear types wearing a chain necklace with a locked padlock. I've even seen a few couples who both have them on. Can someone give me background on this? Is it more of a BDSM thing, or just a masculine ownership thing?
>it is definitely a BDSM thing, I lived with a guy at uni for a year who wore a chain with a padlock on and his 'master' (who lived about 100 miles away) had the only key. Nobody at uni seemed to be too bothered by him wearing this big chain
https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/wkuxxc/those_chains_with_padlock_that_subs_wear_around/
I know people say this about everything female looking on the internet but read me out: this is 100 a troony
>until i found out marcus aurelius' wife cheated on him with multiple people
>and stoicism actually worked and he didn’t give a crap because the children were all that mattered.
>And his son was a worthless monster
All of Roman statehood was a monster. All of the British state right down to this shill in the OP are monsters
oh commodus was? you mean coincidentally just like every other emperor who had a bad relationship with the senate(aka: the whole upper class)
There were peasant revolts from the roman underclass led by red haired musicians claiming to be Nero reborn for centuries after his death. You've been bamboozled by the late antiquity equivalent of pic related
The only good works related to stoicism is when pompous spoiled brats who adapted it have something bad happen to them for the first time in their lives and turn their backs on the whole philosophy
see : kochanowski and Hamann
how great is a philosophy school that makes a slave be happy with being a slave
seriously, as in not even joking
the dude never ever bothered starting a rebellion
it is uber trash
LOL im moronic
sry for wasting replies op but you shouldntve posted a troony and retorted that brainlet modern leftist take on history
I wonder if, when he no longer looks passable (in his own mind,) when his skin begins to sag and the male skeletal form becomes more and more apparent, he'll see what a terrible error he's made, what a waste of time, energy, and money it's been to masquerade as something he can never be while becoming the worst possible version of what he is.
I feel no hatred for these people. I don't wish them death, and I believe they have the right to treat their body as they desire, but the overwhelming, undeniable fact is that they've been psyop'd into castrating themselves for nothing. I genuinely feel sorry for them and I hope they realize it sooner rather than later while there's still something left to salvage. Unfortunately it'll never happen. These types cocoon themselves into discord channels upon discord channels of sycophants, enablers, and glowies, all of whom have a vested interest interest in them retaining their completely inviable "transformation."
It's genuinely sad.
it's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens to all these people when they're like fifty.
Truly. At that stage what is there really to do? You're past the point of being attractive or even feigning to be so. It's when the human form begins to look just slightly ghoulish.
People like OP's pic preen excessively to maintain 4/10 attractiveness (if we're being generous) when compared to the females they emulate. Any sort of slippage of physicality is ruination.
I see two possibilities:
1. There will be a mass wave of regret, suicide, and detransition which will conveniently align with a new paradigm shift in which people caught up in the trans trend are seen as victims of early algorithmic manipulation.
2. (More likely.) There will be an increasingly complex scaffolding of rules, artificially induced social norms, and possibly even laws to protect and contain them from breaking from their programming, their share of the population increases, and the aged, sagging troony becomes a sex icon forced upon the population en masse.
Personally I never found either particularly interesting or insightful. Just my opinion.
I agree on his end point, yet he unironically became better articulate, more convincing and so interesting to watch after he transitioned. so weird i know. him and ContraPoints as well, although this last has always been a troony from the get go as much as i'm concerned. their rich content makes me suspend my disbelief about them and just delve into their discourse, despite their very sad condition indeed.
PhallusTube had a "by mid for mids" channel similar to Waldun's so he hung out with ContraBiology and copied that guy's "her dick" schtick to engorge his view count. I'm surprised he hasn't produced any "transtrender" infighting yet (correct me if I'm wrong because the attention I've paid is as superficial as a troon's idea of biological sex).
Holy shit this troon is completely skinwalking contrapoints style to a t.
>philosophy thread
>derails into trannies and BDSM homosexualry
When are we beheading /misc/tards from IQfy?
This was never a philosophy thread. It began as a thread about a troony who regurgitates philosophy wikipedia articles.
>can't read
We will make some kind of test to check this out. I would start studying, if I were you.
Study these nuts.
We can cut them off too. Then you can be a troony yourself. And maybe stop being such a whiny b***h about it.
That's the best you could do with the set up he gave you? You're as hopeless as gender affirmation vs. a mirror.
Get over it, brainlet. Jesus fricking Christ, it is a fricking thread about FRICKING STOICISM, literally le philosophical school for moronic children, and we can't talk about it, because morons keep talking about trannies and homosexuals.
>NO YOU NO YOU NO YOU
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>NO YOU NO YOU NO YOU
Go face your demons: look in a mirror or click
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>derails thread into "le troony"
I should be the one going to /misc/, sure.
>can't read
Choose your own adventure:
or look in a mirror.
you dont seem very stoic about this situation
>can't read
Yes, I'm not, I'm not a moron. I won't take bullshit like this and stay quiet. Frick you.
You seem unstable.
>this is the guy who tells anon to touch grass
I live on a farm, I touch grass everyday. I even piss on it everyday.
Based. I actually live similarly and love pissing off my porch everyday. You're alright anon.
Yes, I like it too. There is nothing like pissing while looking at the beautiful clear sky.
>I even piss on it everyday.
Frick you fashist
Imagine a troony thread being the digital location where you lost your mind. Not a video of some brutal beheading, not a deepweb site that reveals to you some godawful truth about humanity. A basic troony thread.
Truly shameful.
>leftist playing to be fricking moronic
I'm not a stoic, Jesus fricking Christ
Read the fricking thing:
. I'm not a stoic.
I made this post, that no one fricking said a fricking thing about it. Frick you and frick trannies, and frick jannies, and frick leftards, and frick religitards,.
Read these nuts.
>plebbit joke
Happy 4th of July.
plebbit around with these nuts.
I have some fun observing people acting like monkeys. In some sense is the reason why I still bother interacting with people instead of just going after ChatGPT.
Observe these nuts.
Ordinary people love gossip and talking about others anon, it comes from ignorance. It was better when there was a proper discussion but there isn't anything you can do apart from ignore it.
>le
lol Mr Le, don't pretend you're interested in the subject.
>we can't talk about it
we know what you want to talk about: MUH SOCRATES FOUNDER OF STOICISM and then when you're corrected you disappear.
>OP is a troony midwit
>WHY ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF TRANNIES AND YOUTUBERS
>[unsolicited violent fantasy towards /misc/]
>I'm totally not trans btw
moron.
>uh le troony
>I'm so triggered I can't even talk about some brainlet philosophical school
... get over it, moron.
>goes into rage fantasies and evokes the ghost of /misc/ because anons are making fun of YouTuber troony
>YOU'RE TRIGGERED
No you.
/lgbt/ is that way, get the hell out of here, this is IQfy, frick you.
>posts midwit YouTrooner who trooned out for view count
>WHY AREN'T WE DISCUSSING PHILOSOPHY!
>THIS IS ALL /misc/'s FAULT!
Garbage OP. Simple as.
Whatever, this thread is dead anyway, there is nothing remotely interesting, frick this shit. You can have it. Jannies are trannies btw.
Become a cynic.
Bark at wagies.
I'm fine, it is just that I'm not going to plebbit with you guys so that you can control what I can and what I can't say. And yet, you feel like ruining the experience for other people to be free.
Leftards and religitards are basically the same shit.
Why are white leftists either girls still in highschool and first year uni or they're just literal gays?
>slanders and attacks Evola
>comes out as a troony less than a year later
Many such cases.
Not to answer the question 147 posts in, but: Marcus Aurelius had his wife frick the gladiator so that he could murder said gladiator while they were engaged in said fricking and then insert himself into her, thereby demonstrating his superiority. So, in a bizarre way, Aurelius was actually the one doing the cucking.
homie that's gay af
It was written in the historia augusta, so it cannot be taken as fact, especially when it's a book known to warp the truth. You don't believe every single piece of gossip you hear, do you?
Based
Religitards and leftards deserve each other. Not even joking.
there's some alphabet agency psyop going on
we also have a breadtuber troony in my country that does book reviews
>alphabet agency
It is how it is, those LGBTQIAQASDASD types will "help each other", so they will go out of their way to shill their friends and so on.
i get really disturbed at the "trannies on philosophy/politics" genre and the fact they get a ton of views, the average person is a cattle brained piece of shit and you can kill them without remorse
>the average person is a cattle brained piece of shit and you can kill them without remorse
Idc about trannies, but the entire "summarize an entire topic in a fifteen minute video" genre annoys me. I have a friend who claims to be an admirer of Camus and Sartre, but I know that he's never actually read a single work by either of them. He just watched a few videos on them instead.
This but unironically. It's ridiculous and dogmatic to say that anyone is "innocent" even when you are a christian as you of all people should know that no one is without sin. It goes without saying that it is impossible to murder innocents and people who think otherwise suffer from braindead victim worship, usually for selfish ends but mostly out of mindless habit. There's nothing to say the person being murdered is a good person who did nothing to even cause his predicament.
>inb muh just world
Nah. You do not deserve anything at all
Reminder that Philosophy Tube is literally a Royal Institute asset who was used to astroturf pro-lockdown sentiment before the UK lockdown was enforced.
So he's a victim of narcissitic abuse and it explains the reason behind his transition. becoming a more powerful woman than the ex-gf that abused him. Understandable, NPD & BPD abuse are no joke.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
Not really, but you have to be ok with the idea of mass murder and genocide.
Most reasonable and well intentioned people are not ok with this anon.
It will make the most powerful tribe blind too, because they will lose most valuable capacity, the moral capacity to tell good from bad.
>the moral capacity to tell good from bad
Ah yes, it will lose a moronic belief in manichean fairytale nonsense. Truly blinding.
I don't like that either.
An eye for an eye leaves everyone except the most powerful tribe blind.
>I don't like doctors because they get sick
A thread died for this!
American MAGA populists are truly something special. I still can't believe how deeply the cuck meme from 2016 has penetrated their soul. Throughout human history no group has been so thoroughly obsessed with cuckoldry as to be the first thing brought up every time an author with an unfaithful wife is discussed.
Go back to pleddit and never return
You know I am right. Before 2016 the r*ghtoid obsession about cucking didn't exist.
Having your wife cheat on you has always been a matter of shame and ridicule for all of human history.
Yes but that wasn't the first thing one would bring up in discussions of Marcus Aurelliu, neither were cheating scenes used to dismiss authors like Joyce. No one does this outside MAGA circles.
As you were around during those times and know from first hand experience, what was the first thing people brought up in discussions of marcus aurelius?
the cuck meme entered public consciousness in 2016, we both know this
Marcus foresaw donald trumps victory in the 2016 US elections?
Stoicism sounds cool but isn't. Marcus was also only a man. He was prone to failings like all men, especially over pussy.
marcus aurelius the stoic cuck
Historia Augusta
p171 The Life of Marcus Aurelius
Part 2
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Marcus_Aurelius/2*.html
[Legamen ad paginam Latinam] 19 1 Some say, and it seems plausible, that Commodus Antoninus, his son and successor, was not begotten by him, but in adultery; 2 they embroider this assertion, moreover, with a story current among the people. On a certain occasion, it was said, Faustina, the daughter of Pius and wife of Marcus, saw some gladiators pass by, and was inflamed for love of one of them; and afterwards, when suffering from a long illness, she confessed the passion to her husband. 3 And when Marcus reported this to the Chaldeans, it was their advice that Faustina should bathe in his blood and thus couch with her husband. 4 When this was done, the passion was indeed allayed, but their son Commodus was born a gladiator, not really a prince; 5 for afterwards as emperor he fought almost a thousand gladiatorial bouts before the eyes of the people, as shall be related in his life.120 6 This story is considered plausible, as a matter of fact, for the reason that the son of so virtuous a prince had habits worse than any trainer of gladiators, any play-actor, any fighter in the arena, anything brought into existence from the offscourings of all dishonour and crime. 7 Many writers, however, state that Commodus was really begotten in adultery, since it is generally known that Faustina, while at Caieta, used to choose out lovers from among the sailors and gladiators.121 8 When Marcus Antoninus was told about p181 this, that he might divorce, if not kill her, he is reported to have said "If we send our wife away, we must also return her dowry". 9 And what was her dowry? the Empire, which, after he had been adopted at the wish of Hadrian, he had inherited from his father-in‑law Pius.
>heidegger
cucked so hard wifey got pregnant by their family doctor
>napoleon
cucked TWICE, made the first cuckoldress an empress, and the second cuckoldress got pregnant while he was exiled to an island
>sartre
cucked in an open relationSHIT
>knee-cheese
had a cuck fetish and wrote love letters to another man's wife, constantly seething that her pristine veganal orifice was constantly tainted by another man's love rod of degeneracy
>marcus aurelius
cucked by BGC (big gladiator wiener), his son was NOT his which is why his personality was so different
>one of the russians that beat napoleon
cucked too, see:
>Princess Catherine Bagration (Russian: Eкaтepинa Пaвлoвнa Бaгpaтиoн; née Skavronskaya (Cкaвpoнcкaя); 7 December 1783 – 2 June [O.S. 21 May] 1857) was a Russian princess, married to the general prince Peter Bagration. She was known for her beauty, love affairs and unconventional behavior.
The Historia Augusta is one massive ancient shitpost, so perfect for this place.
I remember the ol days, where leftism on YouTube consisted of a fat rambling Maoist and edgy 12 year old anarchists ranting into their webcams. Today it's just homosexuals and troonys reading pop philosophy in long overproduced videos stuffed with ads and pointless filler. What the heck happened?
It's called "progress".
Youtube change their algo to reward longform content and trannies.
Nihilism is cooler than stoicism. Read nihilist literature instead.
>by the same argument we can dispense with everything said by anybody. dumb argument, academic skeptic.
It's a book not only known to warp the truth, but also downright make shit up, so as a literary work why should it be trusted?. You don't believe every single thing written down or what people say do you?.
Given the guy's known character through his journal, personal philosophy and past actions, it is highly doubtful the guy did such a thing, there is such a thing called ''gossip'' what existed then and exists now. Ancient and medieval historians were known to warp and fabricate subjects to make things more interesting and entertaining. It's partly why getting to the truth of what actually happened in history is difficult.
Is Recurring theme i see