All DACs are transparent so your headphones/IEMs will sound the same regardless
I had one in a cheap dongle with a built in amp. It was supposed to charge the phone at the same time. Somehow it would couple the radio noise and amplify that like crazy. If I didn't have the phone in airplane mode I could barely hear anything.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> white and silver on white
what the frick is this low iq Black person shit?
>. Somehow it would couple the radio noise and amplify that like crazy.
has 100% nothing to do with the DAC. they aren't magical. israelites need to spend money filtering out unwanted noise after the DAC. that rarely happens. even these things i've seen for hundreds of dollars still have noise on analogue outputs because they too decided to go israeli and cut back on components, design and shielding.
>All DACs are transparent
Absolute lie.
anon is right. just because you are a poorly educated Black person doesn't mean everyone else has to be one too.
I'm [...]
The sound is extremely noisy both on headphones and speakers.
Some of the other external DACs I tried, including the Samsung one I mentioned, had various noise levels.
Maybe it's not the DAC itself but the circuitry around it, but for our practical purposes it's false (and stupid) to say that whatever product we choose our headphones will sound the same.
There are articles and YouTube videos of people who tested them, if you want the actual data.
> but the circuitry around it,
it is the circuitry around it. and this noise is introduced at the analogue stage.
I have a headphone jack on my phone that sounds like shit, so I use the Apple dongle in your pic and it sounds perfect (besides a very light click/pop when it turns on, which isn't bothersome at all).
I tried a Samsung one before it but it sounded like shit. Not sure if it was broken, a REALLY good fake (besides the internals), or just a bad product.
With that said, I still use the phone's jack most of the time when sound quality isn't important and it's such a huge QoL feature if you don't want to use wireless earbuds.
I can't imagine ALWAYS having to use the dongle. Especially how I can't use it while charging (>inb4 buying a second dongle that does both at the same time; I'd rather just not listen to anything).
Removing the headphone jack is one of the most anti-consumer things that phone companies have somehow all agreed to do since the birth of the tech industry.
It just makes the product worse with no advantage other than making the phone look a bit sleeker, but since it saves them a dollar or so and it helps them push expensive earbuds, they're all happy to ruin their own products.
The sound is extremely noisy both on headphones and speakers.
Some of the other external DACs I tried, including the Samsung one I mentioned, had various noise levels.
Maybe it's not the DAC itself but the circuitry around it, but for our practical purposes it's false (and stupid) to say that whatever product we choose our headphones will sound the same.
There are articles and YouTube videos of people who tested them, if you want the actual data.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If every DAC you try is shit, I would assume some issue with the headphones. Try the same DACs with different headphones and see what they sound like, I would be interested to know...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Learn to read. I didn't say every dac is shit. I said it's very common to have dacs with varying levels of noise, and that the Apple one didn't have any (that I could hear).
I haven't tried any expensive audiophile grade ones but I assume those would also have low levels of noise.
What are you implying? That all dacs are good and that there isn't a single bad dac in the world?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm implying that every DAC I've tried beyond the very bottom tier has had no noticeable issues. If you're headphones have very high impedance that would predictably cause issues with cheaper DACs, I'm just wondering if that's the case.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm implying that every DAC I've tried beyond the very bottom tier has had no noticeable issues
So you too have experience with bad dacs.
>I'm just wondering if that's the case
Which makes zero sense if you read my post
Yes they are. If a DAC was advertised to improve sound then it would make one pair of headphones/IEMs sound good then another pair sound bad, what your are describing is eq built-in to the DAC itself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what your are describing is eq built-in
there is no eq built into dacs. most you'll find in that area is a filter fixed at specific frequencies. that's about it.
>what your are describing is eq built-in
there is no eq built into dacs. most you'll find in that area is a filter fixed at specific frequencies. that's about it.
>dac: digital to analog converter
Tell me where in those 3 words does it state improvement of sound
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Neither of the posts you quoted say that
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
meds
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You should take the advice in the second post you quoted
>are
they aren't but they should. So every decent DAC should be transparent, or at least transparent enough so that the difference is inaudible (most quality ones are, including apple's dongles).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I too wish that shitty cheap products didn't exist, and that only quality components and construction methods were being used, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in.
>Then you will understand.
No, no he won't. He will seamlessly switch to claiming that USB ports are a security risk or something and how using bluetooth instead is sooo much more ~~*convenient*~~ and better™.
I actually dream of the day when my iPhone only has a screen and speakers/mic. No ports, buttons, and cams should be hidden behind the glass like the front cam already is.
the average user either has their phone on the charger all the time or they use their phone until it dies and this interferes with both
you and I don't do that because we're not moronic but the average person does
I have a headphone jack on my phone that sounds like shit, so I use the Apple dongle in your pic and it sounds perfect (besides a very light click/pop when it turns on, which isn't bothersome at all).
I tried a Samsung one before it but it sounded like shit. Not sure if it was broken, a REALLY good fake (besides the internals), or just a bad product.
With that said, I still use the phone's jack most of the time when sound quality isn't important and it's such a huge QoL feature if you don't want to use wireless earbuds.
I can't imagine ALWAYS having to use the dongle. Especially how I can't use it while charging (>inb4 buying a second dongle that does both at the same time; I'd rather just not listen to anything).
Removing the headphone jack is one of the most anti-consumer things that phone companies have somehow all agreed to do since the birth of the tech industry.
It just makes the product worse with no advantage other than making the phone look a bit sleeker, but since it saves them a dollar or so and it helps them push expensive earbuds, they're all happy to ruin their own products.
>I'd rather just not listen to anything
This is what happened to me after I got a phone with no headphone jack. I mostly just stopped using audio on my phone. (That's kind of a funny sounding sentence.)
Jacks can be made waterproof. They're just slightly more expensive to make, which shouldn't be a problem in products where the profit margins are in the multiple hundreds.
They make water resistant headphones jacks. Hell my galaxy s5 had a removable back cover and replaceable battery and was still water resistant to 10 feet
The Samsung one was probably a fake. The one I bought a few years ago sounds almost identical to my Apple dongle. Neither has any noticeable background noise with my iems.
I tried ordering another Samsung one recently, and I suspected it was a fake when I received it because the image on the cover is low quality compared to first one. Plugging it in to various devices, none of them would recognize it as a Samsung product unlike my other one. It also produces a noticeable amount of noise with the iem I tried it out with. The dongle itself is physically identical to the real one except for the tiny text on the USB-C jack.
I think Samsung just stopped making them around a year or two ago and the market is flooded with fakes now. Really shitty of them if they're not going to include a 3.5mm jack on their devices and Android doesn't play well with the Apple dongle.
What's that sorry I was listening to music and charging my phone at the same time on my Xperia Godmachine. Yeah no thanks I'd rather not have to charge my headphones and lose one down the drain when it falls out.
Is the Sony 1 V aux port really worse sound than le apple dongle? It just doesn't make much sense to me. If that's true, I should just buy a digital music player with a nice DAC and amp built in and get a cuck phone with no aux. If the Sony 1 V has comparable dac and amps to the dedicated music players (which I think makes sense because why would they not just use roughly the same shit as their walkmans) then I'd like it all in one. Can someone give me as unbiased opinion on this as possible. A link to some sort of data comparing the 1V phone and the walkmans would be fricking amazing
>Is the Sony 1 V aux port really worse sound than le apple dongle?
Yeah, it's been tested Well at least the 5 IV has been tested
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/sony-xperia-5-iv-audio-review.41167/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/
I mean worse performance, Lower output, higher noise floor, not necessarily worse sound per say, it kinda depends on what you are plugging into it
The walkmans are kinda mid too tbh senpai
Mostly very limited output power that will struggle to drive less sensitive headphones. Plus all of the sony digital audio players have baked in DSP settings that change how the music sounds in an extremely opaque way. Basically they gave every region a locked eq preset that can't be changed. You can get aftermarket mrwalkman firmware but it doesn't allow you to turn the eq presets off, just change them between the different regions.
Is the Sony 1 V aux port really worse sound than le apple dongle? It just doesn't make much sense to me. If that's true, I should just buy a digital music player with a nice DAC and amp built in and get a cuck phone with no aux. If the Sony 1 V has comparable dac and amps to the dedicated music players (which I think makes sense because why would they not just use roughly the same shit as their walkmans) then I'd like it all in one. Can someone give me as unbiased opinion on this as possible. A link to some sort of data comparing the 1V phone and the walkmans would be fricking amazing
BUT I WANT AN INFERIOR DAC AND HEAPHONE PORT ON MY PHONE WAAAAA
All DACs are transparent so your headphones/IEMs will sound the same regardless
>All DACs are transparent
Absolute lie.
I had one in a cheap dongle with a built in amp. It was supposed to charge the phone at the same time. Somehow it would couple the radio noise and amplify that like crazy. If I didn't have the phone in airplane mode I could barely hear anything.
> white and silver on white
what the frick is this low iq Black person shit?
>. Somehow it would couple the radio noise and amplify that like crazy.
has 100% nothing to do with the DAC. they aren't magical. israelites need to spend money filtering out unwanted noise after the DAC. that rarely happens. even these things i've seen for hundreds of dollars still have noise on analogue outputs because they too decided to go israeli and cut back on components, design and shielding.
anon is right. just because you are a poorly educated Black person doesn't mean everyone else has to be one too.
> but the circuitry around it,
it is the circuitry around it. and this noise is introduced at the analogue stage.
>source: my ass
I'm
The sound is extremely noisy both on headphones and speakers.
Some of the other external DACs I tried, including the Samsung one I mentioned, had various noise levels.
Maybe it's not the DAC itself but the circuitry around it, but for our practical purposes it's false (and stupid) to say that whatever product we choose our headphones will sound the same.
There are articles and YouTube videos of people who tested them, if you want the actual data.
If every DAC you try is shit, I would assume some issue with the headphones. Try the same DACs with different headphones and see what they sound like, I would be interested to know...
Learn to read. I didn't say every dac is shit. I said it's very common to have dacs with varying levels of noise, and that the Apple one didn't have any (that I could hear).
I haven't tried any expensive audiophile grade ones but I assume those would also have low levels of noise.
What are you implying? That all dacs are good and that there isn't a single bad dac in the world?
I'm implying that every DAC I've tried beyond the very bottom tier has had no noticeable issues. If you're headphones have very high impedance that would predictably cause issues with cheaper DACs, I'm just wondering if that's the case.
>I'm implying that every DAC I've tried beyond the very bottom tier has had no noticeable issues
So you too have experience with bad dacs.
>I'm just wondering if that's the case
Which makes zero sense if you read my post
Yes they are. If a DAC was advertised to improve sound then it would make one pair of headphones/IEMs sound good then another pair sound bad, what your are describing is eq built-in to the DAC itself.
>what your are describing is eq built-in
there is no eq built into dacs. most you'll find in that area is a filter fixed at specific frequencies. that's about it.
That's not what anyone is claiming.
>dac: digital to analog converter
Tell me where in those 3 words does it state improvement of sound
Neither of the posts you quoted say that
You should take the advice in the second post you quoted
>are
they aren't but they should. So every decent DAC should be transparent, or at least transparent enough so that the difference is inaudible (most quality ones are, including apple's dongles).
I too wish that shitty cheap products didn't exist, and that only quality components and construction methods were being used, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in.
All but the absolute cheapest DACs are transparent, but they're often paired with shitty amps that are not.
meds
inferior?
Compared to the Apple dongle, yes.
this looks like a phone ~~*Epstein*~~ would use
Epstein had an egg shaped dongle
I hope a jeet becomes your successor, Tim, along with all your executives
Soon they'll take your USB port away too. Then you will understand.
>Then you will understand.
No, no he won't. He will seamlessly switch to claiming that USB ports are a security risk or something and how using bluetooth instead is sooo much more ~~*convenient*~~ and better™.
I actually dream of the day when my iPhone only has a screen and speakers/mic. No ports, buttons, and cams should be hidden behind the glass like the front cam already is.
the average user either has their phone on the charger all the time or they use their phone until it dies and this interferes with both
you and I don't do that because we're not moronic but the average person does
These things literally do not work at all. I'm forced to use bluetooth to listen to Lutheran hymns on my phone.
>You vill have range anxiety over trivial perifials like headphones and you vill be happy.
I have a headphone jack on my phone that sounds like shit, so I use the Apple dongle in your pic and it sounds perfect (besides a very light click/pop when it turns on, which isn't bothersome at all).
I tried a Samsung one before it but it sounded like shit. Not sure if it was broken, a REALLY good fake (besides the internals), or just a bad product.
With that said, I still use the phone's jack most of the time when sound quality isn't important and it's such a huge QoL feature if you don't want to use wireless earbuds.
I can't imagine ALWAYS having to use the dongle. Especially how I can't use it while charging (>inb4 buying a second dongle that does both at the same time; I'd rather just not listen to anything).
Removing the headphone jack is one of the most anti-consumer things that phone companies have somehow all agreed to do since the birth of the tech industry.
It just makes the product worse with no advantage other than making the phone look a bit sleeker, but since it saves them a dollar or so and it helps them push expensive earbuds, they're all happy to ruin their own products.
>I'd rather just not listen to anything
This is what happened to me after I got a phone with no headphone jack. I mostly just stopped using audio on my phone. (That's kind of a funny sounding sentence.)
>It just makes the product worse with no advantage
Water?
Jacks can be made waterproof. They're just slightly more expensive to make, which shouldn't be a problem in products where the profit margins are in the multiple hundreds.
They make water resistant headphones jacks. Hell my galaxy s5 had a removable back cover and replaceable battery and was still water resistant to 10 feet
The Samsung one was probably a fake. The one I bought a few years ago sounds almost identical to my Apple dongle. Neither has any noticeable background noise with my iems.
I tried ordering another Samsung one recently, and I suspected it was a fake when I received it because the image on the cover is low quality compared to first one. Plugging it in to various devices, none of them would recognize it as a Samsung product unlike my other one. It also produces a noticeable amount of noise with the iem I tried it out with. The dongle itself is physically identical to the real one except for the tiny text on the USB-C jack.
I think Samsung just stopped making them around a year or two ago and the market is flooded with fakes now. Really shitty of them if they're not going to include a 3.5mm jack on their devices and Android doesn't play well with the Apple dongle.
What's that sorry I was listening to music and charging my phone at the same time on my Xperia Godmachine. Yeah no thanks I'd rather not have to charge my headphones and lose one down the drain when it falls out.
is apple dongle the best ADC under $30?
Easily
>Is the Sony 1 V aux port really worse sound than le apple dongle?
Yeah, it's been tested Well at least the 5 IV has been tested
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/sony-xperia-5-iv-audio-review.41167/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/
I mean worse performance, Lower output, higher noise floor, not necessarily worse sound per say, it kinda depends on what you are plugging into it
The walkmans are kinda mid too tbh senpai
Mostly very limited output power that will struggle to drive less sensitive headphones. Plus all of the sony digital audio players have baked in DSP settings that change how the music sounds in an extremely opaque way. Basically they gave every region a locked eq preset that can't be changed. You can get aftermarket mrwalkman firmware but it doesn't allow you to turn the eq presets off, just change them between the different regions.
>AV1 in filename
pixDAIZ is gonna come sperg in here soon
Is the Sony 1 V aux port really worse sound than le apple dongle? It just doesn't make much sense to me. If that's true, I should just buy a digital music player with a nice DAC and amp built in and get a cuck phone with no aux. If the Sony 1 V has comparable dac and amps to the dedicated music players (which I think makes sense because why would they not just use roughly the same shit as their walkmans) then I'd like it all in one. Can someone give me as unbiased opinion on this as possible. A link to some sort of data comparing the 1V phone and the walkmans would be fricking amazing