Goethe is more impressive as a whole. His individual works don’t do him justice. The fact that he contributed in so many fields is what gives him his renown. Goethe is more than the sum of his individual works
>hasn't read Poetry and Truth, Italian Journey, Iphigenia, Eckermann, Conversations with German Refugees, the Wilhelm Meisters, etc., and was filtered by Faust ii
You go girl
homie Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.
Goethe is more impressive as a whole. His individual works don’t do him justice. The fact that he contributed in so many fields is what gives him his renown. Goethe is more than the sum of his individual works
Which is precisely why Faust (and especially Faust 2) is so great. Dude poured his entire life into it. Everything he knew in some way, shape or form ended up in Faust.
>homie Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.
At a technical level sure, but to properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.
>To properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.
Ah, so precisely, no one on IQfy then; good to know that I can safely skip it
I don't understand what Goethe is trying to do there. how is it not just pseudoscientific, arbitrary "muh feels" trash? I've looked for insightful interpretations but couldn't find any
In the Newtonian theory color is a purely physical phenomenon, Goethe disagreed with this and believed it was a mental process. Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.
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>Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.
in what way? I can't help that Goethe was projecting his own conditioning via colors
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objects aren't red or blue. they reflect light at different wavelengths and your brain represents those differences as colours.
Are you sure about that? I recently read Elective Affinities and while I thought it was cool I also felt that it went over my head and I was kind of filtered by it. I also read Walter Benjamin's essay on it (which was also pretty cool but which I also felt like I got filtered by). The whole experience basically made me feel dumb. Fair enough, I'm too dumb for Goethe. That's almost certainly true. Some people respond to art that makes them feel dumb by insecurely lashing out, saying the art is bad or pretentious. Is that what you're doing?
Notice how people that make these shit threads will always insult someone but never give an example of who they think is a good writer? Contrarians r fuk
Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.
>Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.
What's the best work written in Slovenian?
What is the point of his color theory? Does it stand up today? Was it just him projecting the strange but beautiful conditioning of his mind out into the world?
The most brilliant mind of all time alongside Nietzsche. Head and shoulders above his peers. Those who don't "get" him just aren't researching his thoughts the way his admirers did, which is a complete run-down of his thoughts in multiple works, fragments, poems, color theory; anyway, his summum bonum.
Spengler was perfectly correct in his devotion.
Goethe was also a member of the Bavarian Illuminati.
All famous intellectuals were then apart of enlightened secret societies. So fricking what? If anything that just proves how based and smart he was. Nothing wrong with Free-Masonry.
Personality-wise they were opposites. Apparently, Goethe thought Beethoven was a barbarian, though an admirable one. When the two had met, and some wealthy aristocrats passed by, Goethe took off his hat and bowed to let them pass, while Beethoven just pushed forward, challenging them to give way.
You can tell Goethe was a genius because he recognized that young Schopenhauer was genius before anyone else took him seriously. In fact, he was almost 50 years ahead of the curve since Schopenhauer wouldn't attain fame or recognition until the end of his life.
This is one of the key distinctions between great men and hacks. If you're principally know for your off-hand 'quips' (which have undoubtably been embellished beyond any realm of truth) and 'novel' living style then you're not actually famous for your work but for yourself, presumably with the sort of people who enjoy that—woman, homosexuals (bad kind) and mouth breathers.
I thank God each day for the fact that the sole biographical tidbit I know regarding Milton is his profound hatred for women, something that only does credit to his corpus.
Goethe is more impressive as a whole. His individual works don’t do him justice. The fact that he contributed in so many fields is what gives him his renown. Goethe is more than the sum of his individual works
Not a talentless hack, but overrated. Schiller's the talentless hack.
how many tiktok followers did he have
>hasn't read Poetry and Truth, Italian Journey, Iphigenia, Eckermann, Conversations with German Refugees, the Wilhelm Meisters, etc., and was filtered by Faust ii
You go girl
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That's Coleridge or Novalis you mean
homie Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.
Which is precisely why Faust (and especially Faust 2) is so great. Dude poured his entire life into it. Everything he knew in some way, shape or form ended up in Faust.
>homie Werther is YA romance, you can read it without any pre-requirements.
At a technical level sure, but to properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.
>To properly appreciate it you must be a Werther in your own love triangle or previously were.
Ah, so precisely, no one on IQfy then; good to know that I can safely skip it
The most appealing thing about Faust is the premise, which he didn’t come up with. Also, Marlowe’s Faust had a more appropriate ending.
Marlowe's Faust was a proper play. Goethe's was like a experimentation: a puppet show, a masquerade ball, a collage and a fever dream.
redpill me on Goethe's color theory
I don't understand what Goethe is trying to do there. how is it not just pseudoscientific, arbitrary "muh feels" trash? I've looked for insightful interpretations but couldn't find any
He was half right about color not being exterior anyway.
>color not being exterior
wdym by this
In the Newtonian theory color is a purely physical phenomenon, Goethe disagreed with this and believed it was a mental process. Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.
>Today he has, at the least, been proven half right.
in what way? I can't help that Goethe was projecting his own conditioning via colors
objects aren't red or blue. they reflect light at different wavelengths and your brain represents those differences as colours.
I dont know his other books but werther is extremely bad. Maybe it was original in his time but it aged terribly
Filtered. Werther is one of my favourite books.
>t. filtered
Are you sure about that? I recently read Elective Affinities and while I thought it was cool I also felt that it went over my head and I was kind of filtered by it. I also read Walter Benjamin's essay on it (which was also pretty cool but which I also felt like I got filtered by). The whole experience basically made me feel dumb. Fair enough, I'm too dumb for Goethe. That's almost certainly true. Some people respond to art that makes them feel dumb by insecurely lashing out, saying the art is bad or pretentious. Is that what you're doing?
>chemistry isn't everything
wow was that so hard?
>Goethe
Do people even read him?
Notice how people that make these shit threads will always insult someone but never give an example of who they think is a good writer? Contrarians r fuk
Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.
>Goethe is only worth reading in German. Faust is arguably the best German work of literature of all times, and that's not an overstatement, it's just the truth.
What's the best work written in Slovenian?
None, slovenia is void of culture
morons can't do basic inference.
Or you're just not conveying your thoughts properly.
Both Slovenia and Germany lack literary high culture.
Uhh, okay?
I don't speak Slovenian, so I have no clue.
Correct opinion. Reading Goethe in translation is like reading a translation of Joyce. It's just not the same.
>Arguably
>It's just the truth
It's the truth that it's arguably the best. What's so hard to grasp?
Laughed out loud
Best b8 post I’ve seen in a while
What is the point of his color theory? Does it stand up today? Was it just him projecting the strange but beautiful conditioning of his mind out into the world?
You could have just said "German."
The most brilliant mind of all time alongside Nietzsche. Head and shoulders above his peers. Those who don't "get" him just aren't researching his thoughts the way his admirers did, which is a complete run-down of his thoughts in multiple works, fragments, poems, color theory; anyway, his summum bonum.
Spengler was perfectly correct in his devotion.
You really believe that?
He was a liberal and a Freemason who hated German nationalism.
Hegel was like this too. It's no surprise Marx liked that homosexual so much.
wasn't Fichte the only German philosopher of that period to openly avow nationalism?
All famous intellectuals were then apart of enlightened secret societies. So fricking what? If anything that just proves how based and smart he was. Nothing wrong with Free-Masonry.
Is he the Beethoven of literature?
Beethoven wasn't a Freemason.
Goethe was also a member of the Bavarian Illuminati.
Personality-wise they were opposites. Apparently, Goethe thought Beethoven was a barbarian, though an admirable one. When the two had met, and some wealthy aristocrats passed by, Goethe took off his hat and bowed to let them pass, while Beethoven just pushed forward, challenging them to give way.
Goethe in German must be amazing because every German writer goes crazy when talking about him.
brainlet anglo take
this. Goathe is literally incredible in German.
Learning German to read Goethe.
Has anyone read Eckermann’s Conversations With Goethe? Penguin is releasing their edition in September. I might preorder it
It's really good; engaging in a way that makes you want to keep reading it. Nietzsche called it the best German book.
How is Goethe a hack?
You can tell Goethe was a genius because he recognized that young Schopenhauer was genius before anyone else took him seriously. In fact, he was almost 50 years ahead of the curve since Schopenhauer wouldn't attain fame or recognition until the end of his life.
Is it true he was apart of a sand cult?
No he just wrote that stuff in his notes to feel cool. It was common back then
Dude look at me me im so exotic and cool
I find his biographical details off-putting.
This is one of the key distinctions between great men and hacks. If you're principally know for your off-hand 'quips' (which have undoubtably been embellished beyond any realm of truth) and 'novel' living style then you're not actually famous for your work but for yourself, presumably with the sort of people who enjoy that—woman, homosexuals (bad kind) and mouth breathers.
I thank God each day for the fact that the sole biographical tidbit I know regarding Milton is his profound hatred for women, something that only does credit to his corpus.
They’re not exactly short “quips” few and far between. Quite a lot is known about Goethe, much of it coming from the man himself.
>Quite a lot is known about Goethe, much of it coming from the man himself.
Substantially worse.