Tech workers, are you willing to return to the office or would you quit over it?
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Tech workers, are you willing to return to the office or would you quit over it?
i personally don't see why i need to be at the office to shit out subpar code so i'm not budging. i would actually just quit if they pulled this shit on me
>to shit out subpar code
This is my job. Life is comfy. Make enough to pay the bills, save, and buy things I want. There are advantages for some employees to travel into the office. It simply is not productive for me to drive my car 45 min to sit in a cube when my manager and half the team is 7 states over, while the other half is in India. It's literally just boomers and people w/useless degrees who demand that EVERYONE must go in so they can "manage" us.
most will quit and get replaced by h-1b applicants
Yes, if they make me watch a clock while sitting in an office I will absolutely quit unless they doubled, no, tripled my salary.
you just don't understand. remote work is actually bad for you. we're a family here and we're always thinking of what's best for you all <3
I have become disillusioned with the idea of working for a company at all. There is no passion to my work, no motivation to innovate. I can't stand the humiliating "we are a family <3" bullshit. These people will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.
I really don't even mind offices. I'm starting to realize that I just hate working period.
I'd fricking love for them to tell me I need to sit in an office. I'd love to tell them that I've already got another position at another company that pays 25k more. Thanks for reading my word salad.
the 'in minecraft' thing doesn't work anymore. Feds say so.
i hate working for others. i love working on my own projects.
capitalism makes it so you can only be happy at work if you enjoy being cucked. you're paying for your boss' porsche by working 10 hours a day on some inane shit while he does a "sabbatical" in hawaii.
you'd like to think the bosses of most companies are like that but in actuality, most of them are addicted to working.
a truly pathetic existence.
ive been a wagecuck for quite a while and have been in a ton of companies. i also work in a position where i have access to payroll, so i have a pretty good idea of pay distribution within those orgs.
i literally every single company but one, the C-level (and CEOs/owners especially) make 10-25x as much as mid-level (non-grunt) employees, like a developer with 5 years of so or experience.
they always have living standards FAR above those employees. i don't know a single one of them that didn't go on vacations/"sabatticals" at least twice a year and that didn't have expensive, extravagant hobbies. most of them drove very high end Mercedes/Porsche/etc
that one exception was cool though - violently socialistic, extremely politically active owner of a mid-sized software house that put a cap on his salary based on how much the lowest paid employee made. everyone else was on a curve based on a mathematical equation. the result was that he made good money, but not insane money for an owner, and every single employee made GREAT money. shame i had to move and leave, that was one lovely place to work.
>that one exception was cool though - violently socialistic, extremely politically active owner of a mid-sized software house that put a cap on his salary based on how much the lowest paid employee made. everyone else was on a curve based on a mathematical equation. the result was that he made good money, but not insane money for an owner, and every single employee made GREAT money. shame i had to move and leave, that was one lovely place to work.
that guy is cool and we could replicate those conditions for so many software devs if only silicon valley had fiercer competition from worker co-op enterprises (workers hire their bosses, no ridiculous pay ratios)
I came across this article and it seems like there is some hope https://workersparadise.org/2020/02/10/tech-co-ops-are-on-the-rise/
if only we could get a couple of forwardthinking IQfyentoomen together to make an all-virtual software co-op...
>if only we could get a couple of forwardthinking IQfyentoomen together to make an all-virtual software co-op
IQfy is incapable of making the most trivial shit. Unless you want a company that only produces low-quality and half-finished logos, forming a co-op out of IQfyentoomen is a moronic plan.
i worked for a gayMAN company for a year as a dev. my boss would post on slack at 2 or 3 am almost every night, he was always fricking working, i know the motherfricker made a shit ton of money but holy frick i cannot imagine that being my life
>to nurture those all important relationships with both teammates and superiors
lol no thx, I have real relationships based on shared interests and mutual respect. I don't need to care how VP no. 586452's kids are doing in school.
>strong productivity
HAHAHAHA. I have the VPN logs to prove those lazy Black folk barely worked 2 hours a day.
you only need vpn to push shit once every few days.
Productivity is not measured in number of hours worked. It is measured in amount of product produced. In fact, I would even argue it should be measured as amount of product produced divided by amount of hours worked. A person who produces the same amount in less time is objectively more productive, no?
>has lead to greater fluidity in the labor market
translation: anyone can work anywhere and we have to pay the slaves more and we don't like that
>remote work fueled the great resignation
OMFG this is the quality of those OPED's.
Great Resignation was fueled because people caught wind on how shitty they were treated and preferred to do something else, including staying at home that still suffering workplace atmosphere
Na, all these articles are written by pedantic real estate firms. We save a ton of money by not having to rent commercial properties.
Meh. I don't care. I miss playing Magic: The Gathering with people at work. I miss being around bros with a common interest. I miss getting written up for staring at tiddies. There are pros and cons to everything.
Sounds like high school are you sure that you have a job?
No I work as dev. Work is literally an extension of school policies, but you get paid to be there instead of the opposite. Also what in my post reminds you of high school? Everywhere I worked is the same shit:
>people with like hobbies from bonds
>written up for stupid shit
>men, women, races self-segregate
Literally everywhere you go does this.
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN NOOOO
the only time i enter an office building ever again is when armed with an assault rifle
in minecraft
>if we keep telling the Black person cattle its over they will believe it
I quit over it. My boss thought I was desperate / dumb / needed the job and he was wrong, got a permanent remote job within a month and its 10x better, only the shitty devs will be forced to go back. Anyone skilled will just switch to one of the thousands of remote work jobs available.
its almost as if all of this is being said by people who have leases and shit that they can't get out of and they must justify the use of their overpriced building.
i have been doing a remote job since 2018
nothing changes for me this entire time
I honestly prefer being in the office, but only because I like to stalk the girls in the other offices.
>airconditioning
>close to home, can go on bike
>using commute time as workout
>seeing colleagues, learning from other people, making connections to improve grow opportunities
>not seeing the same walls in your home 24/7
>more space to work than at home
>keeping work and private separate
it's different for everyone but working exclusively at home seems mentally exhausting to me. i got it much more comfy at the office in several ways
I too like living in Europe
>freezing your arse off under control-restricted aircon
>forced to live close to culturally encirched urban centres
>commute time
>sharing physical space with normies
>no walls, open plan office hell 24/7
>have to actually work
>can't handle private matters during the day
uh huh
(You)
>freezing your arse off under control-restricted aircon
it's not, every space has it's own air and light regulation wgich i can adjust
>forced to live close to culturally encirched urban centres
where i live that's not an issue
>commute time
yes? i bike so a bit of physical movement is fine(don't have to waste time in gym)
>sharing physical space with normies
most are at home so i got more space than before
>no walls, open plan office hell 24/7
there are enclosed rooms i can use if i want
>have to actually work
yes?
>can't handle private matters during the day
see 2 answers above
I'm good, office is 10 mins by bike, they got great free coffee and food, AC, and if I put my headphones on people leave me alone
>willing
Soon corp allowed, I told all employees that the party was over. If you want to pretend to work, we will pretend to pay you.
>Says author
And who the frick is she?
I would quit. I don't have a car or license, and money is kind of a meme anyway. The stars basically aligned for me to get a job, and I'm ready to return to NEET if necessary.
Personally I quit my job almost six months ago now and am trying to coast on my savings and freelance gigs for as long as possible. Working on someone else's clock makes me feel like a zombified Black.
Hey guys, I know I am seeing a lot of back-and-forth on this topic, but I really need to push back and raise some red flags here. Having an on-site office presence foundational to our ability to drive efficiencies in a corporate landscape. It is in our DNA. Sure, there is no 'one size fits all' or silver bullet and some are just boilerplate solutions, leveraged to the hilt and really only keeping us at a 30,000-foot-view of things. Being on-site, however, really allow us to get better granularity, find better directional-indicators, or loop back and dive deep into some critical issues on a go-forward basis.
I think if you all start spending more time in the office gain, you'll find yourself trending toward the positive, but you'll have to keep an eye on the puck. Gut through it, reduce thrash, and let's stay in lock-step on this. Yes, we will synergize!
What's the root cause of the hatred of Corporate office spaces? I'll put my layman's hat on and guess that it comes from movies such as Office Space and Dilbert cartoons. But we all know that these are fictional spaces, and real office spaces allow us to touch base in a much more efficient manner.
I have to time-box this comment, as I have a hard-stop in a moment when I will have to jump onto a call. So, just one more point that I want to cover-off on: let's socialize the idea of having more office presence and loop back to see whether we're being more impactful. From a management standpoint, I think that we can get the traction to do it.
So, net/net, ignore the naysayers, sidebar the folks that are stuck in the weeds, and don't waste cycles or bandwidth on folks that don't align strongly with this mission. Try it out, and we'll have another touch point in a little while to see if we've moved the needle. Remember, our north star hasn't changed. We're still championing our core values remotely and we will only do it better in person.
If you need me, I will be online again in a bit.
You better circle that mouth back on this dick mr bossman
No need to boil the ocean, wagie. See you in your cube on Monday morning.
I've rejected multiple offers because they asked to go to office.
Frick that shit
Quit and get a new job. Frick the office.
The only people who want you back in the office are landlords of office real estate and middle management who can no longer justify their bullshit jobs. Upper management and the bean counters are more than happy to realise they're getting the same amount of work done, and would continue to do so without paying middle management wages or the astronomical rental fees for downtown real estate.
I'm already back and dealing with remote workers lack of work.
We get a lot of "pop-in" at our office and a boss whose whim dictates our priority. A pop-in is when people who just pop in to the IT dept and need x or y or want to discuss bullshit you have little to do with.
While I don't begrudge them working from home and the fight against coming back in I am pissed that i'm taking on a much larger share of tasks because i'm the one directly available to everyone. And because of it, I'm far more reluctant to work with them or attend meetings with them as I feel we're not on the same team any longer. Used to bounce code off each other all day. Now I just ignore them for the most part until I can't. One of the dudes got all butthurt that i'd skipped three of his video meetings. They're for him, not me.
I like to agree to a teams call with sales droids then fail to show. If I want your product I'll buy it from the website, I'm not jumping on video call with you and "Steve" from "Infrastructure" to "discuss" anything. I like to think that they fill up their calendars with this shit in order to show how much work they do, then I leave a 45 minute hole in the day that fricks them over come weekly review time.
they're firing them one by one at my company
You bring me back to the office and I will tank productivity for the entire office. The Dev Ops person I never bother? I'll be bothering him every fricking day because my laptop is being slow(because I'm running a tonne of shit on it). Do you know what I'll do with the boomer Senior devs? I'll get them ranting about the good old days for fricking hours. For every points estimation, the team does I'll poison the well and convince people that long tasks are short and short tasks are long.
all this so you can get your way.
petulant child.
Is that really what he looks like now?
I'll quit if they force me to go back. No ifs ands or buts. Gas is more expensive than ever. I eat more when I'm at the office. I can't do nearly half the shit I do right now. And half the time the office is quiet as a mouse outside of like 1 hour before normal end of office hours. Frick that. I really don't get people that want to go back to the office unless I guess they live alone and have 0 friends. I find 0 benefits to ever going back.
I've been working from home a least few days a week since 2016 and entirely remote since 2020. I've recently started going back into the office one or two days a week because I've found that being 100% remote isn't quite as great as I thought it was. Some of my coworkers agree, some don't.
If I was forced to go in 100% of the time I would probably quit.
i go in occasionally so no one forgets me but if i had to go in everyday id be gone
Thankfully I'm a good dev with a proven track record, so there's enough demand for me that I can throw some weight around and give ultimatums.
I've quit one job already because they announced a tentative plan to eventually return to office. Didn't wait to see if they'd actually do it, didn't discuss it with them, just immediately put in my notice and gave the return to office plan as the sole reason. They very quickly announced that they were cancelling that plan a few days later due to backlash. I was approached during my 2 weeks to ask if I'd reconsider. Still left.
I've made it very clear to my current company that I'll do the same thing again in a heartbeat. They assured me that it would never happen, but then we were recently acquired, so those promises mean nothing and I doubt the new parent company gives a shit about me or any of the other employees they acquired (they just want the IP and the products).
I'm not worried about it though. If they announce a return to office, I'll go get a different job and it'll probably be better. The market will eventually figure out that forced RTO is a death sentence to a company as they slowly drive away all their best talent. Same way as the market has been figuring out that outsourcing everything to India is a bad idea.
Why are boomers trying so hard to force people back into misery?
Boomers spent their entire lives waging and will never ever retire. Their job is the only thing that gives their lives value. And they expect you to do the same.
My workplace shifted to a hybrid model. I'm going in while I still have credit on my bus pass, but commuting during work hours. After that I'm going full remote no matter what the policy is.
my employer moved to permanent wfh.
my shitty southern hemisphere country has now entered the depths of winter and some elements of the public are starting to agitate for restrictions again.
i think that there are elements of wfh that, depending on your home and social situation, are terrible for mental health, but i also see no reason to go back into the office either.
I know someone in a company that basically gutted the IT department because they refused to go back despite metrics showing they were just as productive (so I was told). For some companies, it may not be about logic.
I'd quit. Not hard to get well-paying jobs now anyways.