> dish clearly has a legitimate claim to bandwidth (or starlink would easily outlobby them) > starlink will need to negotiate a contract with dish (oh no, it's so unfair) > cries to customers about imminent service interruptions (read: class action lawsuit) > will end up negotiating with dish anyways when they're done throwing a tantrum
this is easily the least important thing happening right now
>dish clearly has a legitimate claim to bandwidth
For satellite use only
Dish leased out the spectrum 10 years ago for use for their satellite.
They didn't do anything with it.
Starlink came and used the spectrum.
Dish now wants to use the spectrum into a 5G cell tower network to blanket the city
The switch and bait never works for FCC. I think another company tried the same trick before and FCC struck them down.
Not about to suck Elon's spergy little willie, but satellite TV is a total waste of resources. Broadcast TV is for morons, and satellite is the worst technology to deliver it.
Sometimes there's no infrastructure available for anything better so satellite makes sense in that case. I couldn't imagine paying for TV in any case though.
How are frequency bands assigned in America?
In my country the government rents them to the highest bidder for a limited timespan (say, 20 years or so).
>Bands are shared for Sat usage.
Is that because you have to aim a satellite dish so they can use the same frequencies multiple times?
What if competing satellites cross each other in the sky (assuming non-geostationary)?
>Is that because you have to aim a satellite dish so they can use the same frequencies multiple times?
No, you have to adjust the direction for a classical satellite dish because you are only connecting with that one satellite and the antenna needs gain to get a strong enough signal. Gain is achieved by making the antenna directional, in case of satellite dishes the actual antenna is situated at the middle at a precise location where the reflections of the dish constructively interfere. If you slightly misdirect the dish it no longer "bundles" the reflected signal at the location of the antenna, so you get a shit signal.
Starlink dishes are also directional, but they use a phased antenna array instead which requires far more delicate hardware and precise calculations, but allows the antenna to constantly change the direction it is sending and receiving data from which is required for a non-geostationary constallation like starlink. >What if competing satellites cross each other in the sky (assuming non-geostationary)?
Well they shouldn't be in the same altitude so they don't usually collide, and if it were to happen they usually know about each other and evade in time. In terms of frequency, every signal send is in a certain frequency band and only has very limited influence on other frequencies. Same way multiple mobile ISPs can provide 4g simultaneously without problems.
It's only problematic if the same frequency bands are used, which is what Elon is so riled up about.
>How is this even a political issue?
Because companies will buy spectrum, never use it, then try to lay claim to it when someone else makes better use.
The issue becomes political because bigger companies are using government power to keep out smaller companies from the market place.
Because the politics are stacked against them.
Starlink directly rivials "old telecommunications" which all have cronies in the FCC.
Dish is a part of old telco.
Starlink can be fricked no matter what they do, in this instance it's better to just take the spectrum and then it would be upon Dish to try to prove their business is harmed by Starlink using Dish's spectrum.
Didn't read, frick Dish Network. >b-b-but th-
I do not care in any way, shape or form. Anything that fricks Dish Network is something to be celebrated.
that fricking post is so fricking cringe, why do you have the need to make him feel validated its like you guys are egotistically jacking each other off get a room you homosexuals
oh no
anyway
Why am I supposed to care that Elon failed to hire sufficient lobbyists? He's the richest man ever.
>why am I supposed to care that I live in a country where laws are written by the highest bidder
>what is every country ever
>inb4 not muh party, not muh system
the rest of the email
it's like those emails you get from political parties
Sattelite internet literally unusable. News at 11
>unusable
I'm calling you a homosexual with it right now
No you're not
yes I am
No you're not
yes he is
He is and I think he could probably subdue you, rape you and sexually humiliate you in a moment given the chance.
I'd like to see him try
UwU
> dish clearly has a legitimate claim to bandwidth (or starlink would easily outlobby them)
> starlink will need to negotiate a contract with dish (oh no, it's so unfair)
> cries to customers about imminent service interruptions (read: class action lawsuit)
> will end up negotiating with dish anyways when they're done throwing a tantrum
this is easily the least important thing happening right now
You have no clue how fricking stupid government employees are and how crooked lobbying is
yes i do. you, however, can't read between the lines.
>dish clearly has a legitimate claim to bandwidth
For satellite use only
Dish leased out the spectrum 10 years ago for use for their satellite.
They didn't do anything with it.
Starlink came and used the spectrum.
Dish now wants to use the spectrum into a 5G cell tower network to blanket the city
The switch and bait never works for FCC. I think another company tried the same trick before and FCC struck them down.
>The switch and bait never works for FCC
It'll work for this FCC who's always had a vendetta against starlink
>you weren't using it, so I felt free to steal it
genius logic my man
No, the spectrum is for all satellite usage. Dish wants to convert that into 5G/Satellite usage.
You're confused. Dish does not own the spectrum, they have a right to use it, like all other sat users do.
gotta that that "I hate rich man" goggles off for a second
If you don't hate the rich you're either one of them or you're clueless. And I know it's not the first one
>muh clueless
You're being led around by the noose by your master. Check your leash. Look back and double check who holds your leash first.
>no u
Good one
No, more like they committed fraud by getting a permissive license for x and then trying to use it for b
>(or starlink would easily outlobby them)
Why give ammunition to detractors by doing this?
Because Starlink has no lobbyist except customer base. All the liberals has a hate boner for Musk because he's rich.
>Starlink has no lobbyis
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Imagine not knowing all of Musk's companies spend millions lobbying the US congress rofl
lmao
murican conservatives are just as dumb and delusional as liberals sometimes
Bruh, SpaceX and Tesla are literally built on Lobbying
Space Contracts (replace NASA) and Green Energy Subsidies
>Space Contracts (replace NASA)
I love how this is supposed to be a gotcha against SpaceX
Not about to suck Elon's spergy little willie, but satellite TV is a total waste of resources. Broadcast TV is for morons, and satellite is the worst technology to deliver it.
Sometimes there's no infrastructure available for anything better so satellite makes sense in that case. I couldn't imagine paying for TV in any case though.
This isnt' about sat TV. Dish wants to use their satellite bands for 5G network.
i love how this board will take the side of other shitty big companies just to spite elon
Is he still b***hing about Twitter?
Last I heard, MSNBC/CNN was crying about Musk or his company few minutes ago.
Sure that's what Elon does in his spare time
Wifi stinks, I have synesthesia
>nooo please be mad about some other company tryina make a monopoly instead of us
LOL
How are frequency bands assigned in America?
In my country the government rents them to the highest bidder for a limited timespan (say, 20 years or so).
How is this even a political issue?
>How is this even a political issue?
Everything is a political issue now
Yeah I almost forgot I can't even pick an npm package without supporting some political ideology aver some other ideology.
Modern society sucks.
Bands are shared for Sat usage. Its a political usage because Elon is a rich man and rich man bad. Elon owns Starlink, therefore Starlink bad.
>Bands are shared for Sat usage.
Is that because you have to aim a satellite dish so they can use the same frequencies multiple times?
What if competing satellites cross each other in the sky (assuming non-geostationary)?
>Is that because you have to aim a satellite dish so they can use the same frequencies multiple times?
No, you have to adjust the direction for a classical satellite dish because you are only connecting with that one satellite and the antenna needs gain to get a strong enough signal. Gain is achieved by making the antenna directional, in case of satellite dishes the actual antenna is situated at the middle at a precise location where the reflections of the dish constructively interfere. If you slightly misdirect the dish it no longer "bundles" the reflected signal at the location of the antenna, so you get a shit signal.
Starlink dishes are also directional, but they use a phased antenna array instead which requires far more delicate hardware and precise calculations, but allows the antenna to constantly change the direction it is sending and receiving data from which is required for a non-geostationary constallation like starlink.
>What if competing satellites cross each other in the sky (assuming non-geostationary)?
Well they shouldn't be in the same altitude so they don't usually collide, and if it were to happen they usually know about each other and evade in time. In terms of frequency, every signal send is in a certain frequency band and only has very limited influence on other frequencies. Same way multiple mobile ISPs can provide 4g simultaneously without problems.
It's only problematic if the same frequency bands are used, which is what Elon is so riled up about.
>How is this even a political issue?
Because companies will buy spectrum, never use it, then try to lay claim to it when someone else makes better use.
The issue becomes political because bigger companies are using government power to keep out smaller companies from the market place.
then starlink should have done something through political channels and not just use freqs they weren't entitled to?
Because the politics are stacked against them.
Starlink directly rivials "old telecommunications" which all have cronies in the FCC.
Dish is a part of old telco.
Starlink can be fricked no matter what they do, in this instance it's better to just take the spectrum and then it would be upon Dish to try to prove their business is harmed by Starlink using Dish's spectrum.
White Pride Worldwide
What's a Dish?
Didn't read, frick Dish Network.
>b-b-but th-
I do not care in any way, shape or form. Anything that fricks Dish Network is something to be celebrated.
The only reason I know Dish exists is because of that stupid commercial where the cowboys' hats grow each time until they're comically huge.
They made a hillarious commercial, so I like them !
that means no more internet for americas because some rich israelites are bribing (lobbying) their governing agencies again?
good
cute duck
reminder that elon musk is a glowBlack person
Jews israeliteing israelites
So tiresome
>all the sexism and racism in this thread
we really need to shut this place down
Or you could leave and go back to your preferred hugbox
FRICK YOU Black person israelite
FRICKING WOMEN b***h
I WILL FRICKING RAPE YOU STUPID c**t
I WAS FRICKING JOKING
;-;
Oh I see. Welcome back then anon
that fricking post is so fricking cringe, why do you have the need to make him feel validated its like you guys are egotistically jacking each other off get a room you homosexuals
didn't ask
shut the frick up, homosexual