Nta but I must disagree: if it wasnt israelitesus, it would have been some other destructive egregore that emerged from the vengeful decadent subconscious of the populace of post-Roman European civilization
Bro, these guys just said some obvious shit everyone in our times already knows about. Hegel and Kant have embarked on a radical project to alter the architecture of our consciousness. Not the same.
>Hegel and Kant have embarked on a radical project to alter the architecture of our consciousness
How have they & their successors fared in this endeavor?
Everyday a frickin thread about a philosophy that can't be put under test, just pure intellectual masturbation, cope and seethe, science killed philosophy
Bro, these guys just said some obvious shit everyone in our times already knows about. Hegel and Kant have embarked on a radical project to alter the architecture of our consciousness. Not the same.
Viewed from their impact today, I’d say that Kant is probably one of the top 10 most important/influential people from the 18th century, if not top 5, whereas Hegel would probably be around one of the top 50-100 most important from the 19th century. In terms of most important people of all time, viewed on their impact on today, I would guess that Kant might be somewhere in the top 100-200 and Hegel towards the bottom end of the top 1000 or slightly lower. Not a reflection of their values as philosophers only their influence.
>t.moron
Do you realize that the direct implications of Hegel’s thoughts shaped the entire political landscape of the 20th century? Not to mention the importance he’s held in his own right as a philosopher divorced from Marxism. Without Hegel we wouldn’t have Marx, Althusser, Levinas, Whitehead, Heidegger, Sartre, Foucault, WW2, the Cold War, or modern leftism as we know it. (Also right wing politics as we know it either as the common process for right wing points is to just directly oppose what leftists want)
Yeah Kant may have had more influence in the realm of epistemology/metaphysics than Hegel, but if we are talking empirical change in the sociopolitical realm, all roads lead back to Hegel.
Die Langeweile der Welt, the boredom of the world, is something that Hegel well understood and took advantage of. That loss of life in their God and the splitting of religious life into a mundane external life and an inner spiritual one were problems that Hegel was trying to "rectify."
He specifically went out of his way to push his own ideology, his dialectic and outright religious beliefs into the vacuum of fading Christianity, and it worked. It's from that basis that people like Marx tried to remove the religion and build a materialistic system, which in turn eventually lead to the 20th century socialist wars. Hegel to Marx to WW2 is a clear pipeline of lunacy that lead to the death of tens of millions.
>ANOTHER shitty low effort german idealism thread without a single original thought or observation put into it
OP probably only ever posts Kant and Hegel because he got filtered by Peirce.
he wasn't wrong you privileged goober, just because you and some others have a good life doesn't mean suffering doesn't exist. Also his will is about our impulsive desires like having kids, liking material shit, and being a complete normie this will controls us and the only way to break out of it is doing nothing or investing into a hobby. I fricking hate how under looked this man is
In history? They might have been influential as writers, but... most important in HISTORY? How? They didn't even have that much of an impact except with men of letters. How could they possibly have been the 2 most important men in history?
That doesn't look like Plato and Aristotle to me
For good reason. Plato and Aristotle are functionally incomprehensible as men in current gender systems.
>current gender systems
implying I follow those.
what about jesus
This
European civilization would have been just as good or even better if not for the israeli pariah.
Nta but I must disagree: if it wasnt israelitesus, it would have been some other destructive egregore that emerged from the vengeful decadent subconscious of the populace of post-Roman European civilization
>Hegel and Kant have embarked on a radical project to alter the architecture of our consciousness
How have they & their successors fared in this endeavor?
Jesus is canon transsexual. He is all men and women, and has a c**t in his side as a result of being-post-op.
Everyday a frickin thread about a philosophy that can't be put under test, just pure intellectual masturbation, cope and seethe, science killed philosophy
And politics killed science.
Your problem is with the continental arm of philosophy. The analysts are just fine.
>autistic pseudo-christcuck german fricks
lol funny joke bro
Bro, these guys just said some obvious shit everyone in our times already knows about. Hegel and Kant have embarked on a radical project to alter the architecture of our consciousness. Not the same.
Amen. The Phenomenology of Spirit is changing my life right now; the most life-affirming book of all.
Viewed from their impact today, I’d say that Kant is probably one of the top 10 most important/influential people from the 18th century, if not top 5, whereas Hegel would probably be around one of the top 50-100 most important from the 19th century. In terms of most important people of all time, viewed on their impact on today, I would guess that Kant might be somewhere in the top 100-200 and Hegel towards the bottom end of the top 1000 or slightly lower. Not a reflection of their values as philosophers only their influence.
>Not a reflection of their values as philosophers only their influence.
how would you rate them on value as philosophers?
>t.moron
Do you realize that the direct implications of Hegel’s thoughts shaped the entire political landscape of the 20th century? Not to mention the importance he’s held in his own right as a philosopher divorced from Marxism. Without Hegel we wouldn’t have Marx, Althusser, Levinas, Whitehead, Heidegger, Sartre, Foucault, WW2, the Cold War, or modern leftism as we know it. (Also right wing politics as we know it either as the common process for right wing points is to just directly oppose what leftists want)
There is no direct causal attribution between a philosopher and a scientist
Whitehead didn’t read Hegel
Yeah Kant may have had more influence in the realm of epistemology/metaphysics than Hegel, but if we are talking empirical change in the sociopolitical realm, all roads lead back to Hegel.
>Without Hegel we wouldn’t have WW2
That's a bit of a stretch
Die Langeweile der Welt, the boredom of the world, is something that Hegel well understood and took advantage of. That loss of life in their God and the splitting of religious life into a mundane external life and an inner spiritual one were problems that Hegel was trying to "rectify."
He specifically went out of his way to push his own ideology, his dialectic and outright religious beliefs into the vacuum of fading Christianity, and it worked. It's from that basis that people like Marx tried to remove the religion and build a materialistic system, which in turn eventually lead to the 20th century socialist wars. Hegel to Marx to WW2 is a clear pipeline of lunacy that lead to the death of tens of millions.
>ANOTHER shitty low effort german idealism thread without a single original thought or observation put into it
OP probably only ever posts Kant and Hegel because he got filtered by Peirce.
All roads lead back to Christianity.
Hegel
Without Kant, Hegel is nothing. Schopie stands his ground.
Disagree. Schopenhauer just explains kant and then adds in his meme of suffering and will instead of spirit
>meme of suffering and will
he wasn't wrong you privileged goober, just because you and some others have a good life doesn't mean suffering doesn't exist. Also his will is about our impulsive desires like having kids, liking material shit, and being a complete normie this will controls us and the only way to break out of it is doing nothing or investing into a hobby. I fricking hate how under looked this man is
>I fricking hate how under looked this man is
newbie
heh
In history? They might have been influential as writers, but... most important in HISTORY? How? They didn't even have that much of an impact except with men of letters. How could they possibly have been the 2 most important men in history?