How did they manage to keep their original language while still being R1b? You would assume that they would have a distinct haplogroup than the people who later came to the country and imposed their language and culture.
When we take into account that they are the living fossils of the Iron Age people, we have to assume that there was barely any difference between them and the Indo Europeans that later populated Iberia.
And how is it possible that they are the only people in Europe that managed to keep their language intact for so long?
Did most people in Europe speak their language before the Indo Europeans came? If there were any big populations there before the Indos in the first place...
>When we take into account that they are the living fossils of the Iron Age people
It seems to be the case indeed.
Stop posting your meme model frisian. Spaniards don't have Lebanese or German admixture.
The model is fine, the middle eastern admixture in Spain is undeniable.
A genetic contamination, so to speak.
based model, makes iberians seethe
kinda, there's an undeniable middle eastern component in iberians that all studies have shown, along with the north african component they make the average iberian 15-20% mena
I made some charts to see how that genetic admixture influences the economic and intellectual output of the population.
And there were no surprises. In short:
>higher Lebanese admixture greatly correlates with lower wages
>higher Combined Germanic and Iron Age admixture correlates the most with higher wages
>higher Iron Age admixture correlates with bigger male height
>higher German and Iron Age admixture correlates with higher PISA math scores
So basically the Roman empire contaminated Iberia with inferior genetic stock, which remains there to this day.
pretty much, the reconqiesta was helpful in diluting a lot of the MENA admixture but a portion remains today in iberia
>I made some charts to see how that genetic admixture influences the economic and intellectual output of the population.
How about you let go your obsession and start to make charts about your own third world shithole.
Here's a much better model
(let's note that occitanie is not literal occitanians, just similar component in the spanish population)
Yeah what kind of difference is there supposed to be.
The celtic distribution is interresting. La Rioja and Navarra have so little of it despite being so close to the Basques, who have the most of it.
Can you make a model for Spanish regions showing various African admixture levels?
What's the website for making those charts?
They got longhoused
The Basques are indeed the archaic peoples of Europe, who even migrated to northern Japan as the Ainus.
I unironically had this schizo theory in mind some days ago but couldn't muster the courage to make a post about it.
Here's more.
perhaps the original basque y dna was c1a
Given how, ironically, the R1b haplo is the most prevelant among the Basques, it's save to asume that they were of this haplogroup originally.
The jomon however were most probably D1b, but that's a discussion for another time.
Basque here. I'd say its due to several factors;
1) Being a small population means no one other than your most immediate neighbours pay you any mind. The origin of the language itself is an unknown and highly politicised, but the main concern for us would be more making sure it survives in an ever increasing global world, rather than its origins
2) Having had our own political system/rights at times has ensured its survival, since as well as learning it at home you also learn it at public schools (though how effective it is varies wildly).
3) However, that previous point only applies to the basque country within the spanish borders. In france, since its a more centralized country and has this "nothing but frenchmen here" thing going, basque (and other local languages like breton, occitanian, etc..) isn't taught in the public school system, only at private schools. Even in the later case, you cannot take exams in basque, only in french. So even if you learn it from your parents (or private school, if they can afford it) its relegated as a "second citizen language" so to speak by the french goverment.
Though that's my opinion, however flawed it may be
Do any words from this Basque list from
sound simmilar to modern Basque?
This theory sounds turbo interesting.
>highly politicised
What do you mean by this? Castillans usually say this about everything they don't like.
Well, you yave that one fraudulent archeological piece that came around 2010(?) that was debunked, which was used as a proof how old basque was.
Then you have the hand of Irulegi, with one word (Sorioneku) sounding very similar to the modern word for "happy/fortunate" (Zorioneko). While archeologists warn caution on jumping to conclusions, its a big find for the basque langauge and people if it sheds any light on its origins.
This clashes with some castillians falsely claiming that basque is a "18th-19th century invention by the creator of basque nationalism, Sabino Arana". Also with the spaniah goverment at time trying to emulate the french with the centralization and homogenization of all cultures (ie: everyone is spanish/castillian), thus there being a much older language and people in there throwing a wrench into the works.
In the basque column you mean? Most are still in modern (or Batua, which is the standard version of basque), and id wager some are still in "active" in the different dialects.
Oskol, for example, means "shell", though in this list it appears as "armor". Which I get; an armor looks like a shell
>In the basque column you mean? Most are still in modern (or Batua, which is the standard version of basque), and id wager some are still in "active" in the different dialects.
>Oskol, for example, means "shell", though in this list it appears as "armor". Which I get; an armor looks like a shell
That's crazy interesting. Who knows, maybe the Scythians were also speaking this ancient Iron Age language.
Remember when some genius claimed that the Iberian language and the Basque language had no relation at all?
To be fair, iberian is a indoeuropean language while basque is a non indoeuropean language in origin.
However, basque has taken loans words from and, to a minor extent, influenced surrounding languages. After all, no language or ethnic group is an isolated island
>iberian is a indoeuropean
Iberian wasn't indoeuropean...
Ops, my bad, thought it was indoeuropean. Turns out its unclassified
We Indo-European Iberomaurusians have had enough of you EEF people. Stay away from our lands!
Basques were matrilineal and bossy about it so dominant Basque boss mamas ruled the house against limp-wristed Bell Beaker males from Germany who were genetically closest to Norwegians(=male feminists) and didn't allow them to babble about Dyeus Pahter and their 30 different words for cow farts
It's actually quite pathetic how weak the Indo-Europeans were when faced against such matriarchs and it makes sense how common femdom is among Celto-Germanics
I'm a Finn btw if that matters
>I'm a Finn btw if that matters
do you prefer swedish or russian wieners?
Neither I support Finns and Turkic people mixing to create ubermensch ever since I found out I am 1/16 Mishar
>ever since I found out I am 1/16 Mishar
Sad. Surullista. Joko se turkomaani on miettinyt kotiseudulle lähtöä?
En oo ne heittäis mut ikkunast siäl Putinlandias wallah
>How did they manage to keep their original language while still being R1b?
Romans erased all native cultures and languages....except for the basque (which is related to ancient native iberian languages). And Romans bribed the basque chiefs during the Cantabrian Wars. Romans told the basques to not help his cousins (the cantabrians) and they would maintain their culture-language.
Romans destroyed and erased the cantabrians meanwhile they did not attack the basques for this reason. And this is why it is the only native language that is still alive.
The flag and basque nationalism was invented in 1900. All basques were proud castellanos and Spaniards for all their History.
Modern politicians have used them and brainwashed them into believing they are something different (for the own benefit of these politicians).
Basques do differ genetically albeit not that much. It's Catalans who are impossible to differentiate genetically
Compared to what? Valencians and Balerics? Lol
No, Andalusians and Castillans. These Catalans are closer to Castillans than to other Catalans for example.
>Castellanos have only to do with castille. People tend to forget that what became spain was a union of the kingdoms of leon, asturias and aragon through marrige, as well as navarre through conquest.
And modern Basque country was part of the kingdom of Castile
>as well as navarre through conquest
Navarre was under the Jimenez which was also the reigning dynasty in Castile. After that it became a mere French province until Ferdinand II liberated them from French barbarism.
forgot pic
what are inmigrants?
Basque country has many immigrants yet they are not as similar, argument denied
no they really don't
French massacre in Navarre
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Navarrer%C3%ADa#Destrucci%C3%B3n_de_la_Navarrer%C3%ADa
French are uncivilized Gaul swines.
>And modern Basque country was part of the kingdom of Castile
I believe youre mixing "euskadi" (what the castillians call "pais vasco") with the basque country (the seven provinces).
>Navarre was under the Jimenez which was also the reigning dynasty in Castile
The kingdom of castilles early rulers were linked to the navarrese monarchy, mainly due to the then king of navarre giving the recently adquired muslim land to one of his sons.
However, navarre would be later conquered by castille bit by bit, and what was left was incorporated to france due to the last king of navarre (Richard IV) becoming king of france (hence Lapurdi, Zuberoa and lower Navarre being part of modern day france).
But we are speaking about the ethnic and linguistic group here, who dont always have to be the ruling class
>The kingdom of castilles early rulers
All Castillan rulers until the Habsburg identified with the Jiménez
>However, navarre would be later conquered by castille bit by bit, and what was left was incorporated to france due to the last king of navarre (Richard IV) becoming king of france (hence Lapurdi, Zuberoa and lower Navarre being part of modern day france).
You're not being serious. First it was Henry IV, not Richard IV. Also Navarre lost its independence de facto the moment it started to be ruled by a French dynasty so long before that. You can argue that the house of champagne identified as Basque the same way the Bourbons identified as Castillans but every later kings were Frenchmen who happened to rule over Basque territories with little care for it.
Btw you're probably not aware of it but the battle of noain which is presented by some delirious basque nationalist as the last stand of independent basque gudari was in fact a battle opposing basque castillans against french invaders from gascony
nobody seethe, it's just false. It would be like saying that 2+2=3 and then claiming that the people who corrects you is seething
>nobody seethe, it's just false.
Given the data in
and the looks of many Spaniards, it's just silly at this point to deny the non-white admixture in Spain. It's an undeniable fact.
Here's some historical data for'ya:
I wonder what was the impact of the Moorish occupation in the overall country-wide genetic admixture.
Shame there's no later data in this chart except for Andalusia and Catalonia.
>All basques were proud castellanos and Spaniards for all their History.
Weren't the Visigoths fighting the Basques for a long time? I've read somewhere that the Visigothic king had to pull his troops from the Basque region when in 711 the Arabs attacked.
Castellanos have nothing to do with the Visigoths.
>Weren't the Visigoths fighting the Basques for a long time?
Yes. It was the threat of visigoths and franks which caused the the basques to unite, first into the duchy of pamplona/iruña and then becoming the kingdom.of navarre.
The death of Roland was, in fact, a basque ambush as revenge for Charlemagnes host burning and sacking Pamplona/Iruña after his failed attempts at conquering Zaragoza
Castellanos have only to do with castille. People tend to forget that what became spain was a union of the kingdoms of leon, asturias and aragon through marrige, as well as navarre through conquest.
Whats happened is that castillians became the de facto language, and that the "standard" spaniard. Which in turn has meant that castille has had its culture erased, since they cannot claim it as solely theirs
>Least angry castellano
r1b is really old though.
>Corded Ware/Bell Beaker Culture
>Old
If you want old subclades of R1b try Neolithic Tarim Basin and Kyrghizstan
Basques are what iberians looked like pre-roman conquest.
They would have looked like pic related
This is what Basque look like (forget the niglet)
They dont look different from other iberians
That's the most probable theory:
Read the last paragraph.
Honestly i dont really see the difference between basques and the average spanish, looks-wise
>while still being R1b?
IQfy moron? IQfy moron
because they know that they are a people. it's more than just haplogroups.
is there a case of mountain Black folk on a caribbean weather?