Not that young! 5 centuries of literature are not to be scorned. Chilean literature seems to me very good, I feel you're underrating it.
Blest Gana ain't that bad, also N. Parra is the GOAT of irony/sarcasm/dont-give-a-frickery, compairito.
Blest Gana is honestly mediocre but he is so fricking fun. Love me some Martin Rivas.
For me it's: Gamboa, García Ponce, Fuentes and Del Paso
Gamboa is also not that great. Competent novelist; not of much significance to anyone who isn't Mexican. Fuentes is not my thing either. García Ponce and del Paso are mocking me in my bookshelf for not having read them yet, but I want to read their influences first.
To be fair, to truly _get_ García Ponce you have to know the works of Musil, Klossowski, Duns Scotus, San Juan de la Cruz, Meister Eckhart, Bataille, Blanchot, Marcuse, Thomas Mann and those are just the indispensable ones. Knowing the works of the likes of Pavese, Tanizaki, von Doderer, Akutagawa, Broch, Merleau Ponty, Kierkegaard, Santa Teresa and Borges certainly helps.
You also have to be familiar with the Contemporáneos movement in Mexico (particularly Villaurrutia), the Casa del Lago generation and the social and cultural climate in Mexico in the 20th century.
I only have the Austrians left to acquaint myself with 😉
[...]
I know Gamboa isn't that great compared to the others in my list, it's just that he's my personal favourite. I've read his novelettes recently and mechero de gas just made me feel something no other work has made me feel before.
Instead of Gamboa, if poetry is not allowed, I might go with Rulfo just because he's the main icon of Mexican literature in the whole world.
> he's my personal favourite
Understandable, tbh. I honestly don't know who I would choose as Mexico's big four. I'm only sure of sor Juana, and based on my personal taste I would add López Velarde, Gorostiza and Rulfo; but I'm not sure if Gorostiza and Rulfo can be considered great writers, I think you could say the same thing of them as of Cervantes: their work is greater than themselves.
Why? I completed his answer, Gana is known as the "Father of chilean Novella" and Parra is a Cervantes prize winner.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Blest Gana ain't that bad, also N. Parra is the GOAT of irony/sarcasm/dont-give-a-frickery, compairito.
I'll admit I made my post in a hurry and those two were the only ones I could remember off the top of my head
I thank you for completing my post and the incidental recommendations (specially Blest Gana as I've been on a 19th century binge as of late)
I honestly wouldn't know. Georgi Gospodinov won the International booker prize recently, I guess he's on the list. And I've heard Zdravka Evtimova's "Blood" is studied in some American high schools so I guess that gives her points. But the writers our kids study are 19th century Romanticist boomers who talk about their endless suffering under the Ottomans
Dunno where you got life sentence from, the average was less than 10 years. The idea was they could be turned into free settlers once their time was up since it wasn't easy enticing people to start a new life at the end of the earth normally.
Gerald Murnane: Excellent writer, from Melbourne, still alive, went to the same high school as me, best works are The Plains, Inland.
Patrick White: Nobel Prize Laureate, by far our greatest writer, gay, dead, best works are Voss. the Vivisector. the Tree of Man.
Miles Franklin: Woman, wrote in the Edwardian era, named an award after her, best works are My Brilliant Career (they made a good film of that) and All That Swagger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but why are the books enjoyable? Rich settings? Interesting philosophy? A woman and two homos isn't really a description on what makes a writer worthwhile.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Awful writer. Always one Murnanegay seething in these threads.
>our literature really isn't that bad
Even Canada is more prolific in terms of literature than you and they're nearly at the African level of relevance themselves.
Idk if Gamboa is that good tbh, i would replace him with sor juana but idk if poets are allowed in the list. Also i dont like naturalism so i am biased
Not that young! 5 centuries of literature are not to be scorned. Chilean literature seems to me very good, I feel you're underrating it.
[...]
Blest Gana is honestly mediocre but he is so fricking fun. Love me some Martin Rivas.
[...]
Gamboa is also not that great. Competent novelist; not of much significance to anyone who isn't Mexican. Fuentes is not my thing either. García Ponce and del Paso are mocking me in my bookshelf for not having read them yet, but I want to read their influences first.
I know Gamboa isn't that great compared to the others in my list, it's just that he's my personal favourite. I've read his novelettes recently and mechero de gas just made me feel something no other work has made me feel before.
Instead of Gamboa, if poetry is not allowed, I might go with Rulfo just because he's the main icon of Mexican literature in the whole world.
I would say, for most significant American fiction writers of the past 50 years:the top 4 would be:
(1) Thomas Pynchon
(2) Philip Roth
(3) John Updike
(4) William H. Gass
do you know any brazilian writers for someone who loves modernism/post modernism?
joyce, beckett, faulkner, gaddis, pynchon, gass, delillo?
grande sertão scratches the modernism itch but aside from that I only read machado and it was boring as frick, only memórias póstumas stood out for me
Poetry aside, Britain has produced few truly great authors. Shakespeare and Dickens are obviously elite, but there’s a huge gulf between these two and the rest
I would put Waltari there even though his big successful novels were quite lowbrow. He has some seriously great short stories and he knew how to treat complex themes with elegant simplicity. Some of the works remind me strongly of Hemingway.
off the top of my head, probably katherine mansfield, maurice gee, james baxter, and barry crump. the last pick is a bit of a joke but i don't exactly have many choices down here in new zealand. maybe someone can remind me of someone i'm missing.
Shakespeare (obvious)
Milton (obvious)
Chaucer (obvious)
4th is more up for grabs, Spenser is obvious although proselets will probably argue for Dickens.
yea, i guess you could slot in roth or sebald who were objectively better writers, but they didnt really have the impact zweig had contemporary european literature
Okay. What would you recommend from the other guys?
11 months ago
Nikhil
Malgudi Days by R. K. Narayan.
Gitanjali by Rabindranath Tagore (gem)
The Chess Players by Premchand.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks fren :]
11 months ago
Anonymous
Khushwant Singh: Train to Pakistan, I Shall Not Hear The Nightingale, History of The Sikhs (nonfiction)
Tagore: Gitanjali (poems), collected short stories
Premchand: Godaan (novel), collected short stories
R K Narayan: Malgudi Days, The Guide, Waiting For The Mahatama, My Days (memoir)
Vicente Huidobro
Pablo Neruda
That's as far as chilean literature goes, it's a young country
no bolaño?
He kinda is more mexican than chilean.
Dorfman?
Donoso?
Not that young! 5 centuries of literature are not to be scorned. Chilean literature seems to me very good, I feel you're underrating it.
Blest Gana is honestly mediocre but he is so fricking fun. Love me some Martin Rivas.
Gamboa is also not that great. Competent novelist; not of much significance to anyone who isn't Mexican. Fuentes is not my thing either. García Ponce and del Paso are mocking me in my bookshelf for not having read them yet, but I want to read their influences first.
To be fair, to truly _get_ García Ponce you have to know the works of Musil, Klossowski, Duns Scotus, San Juan de la Cruz, Meister Eckhart, Bataille, Blanchot, Marcuse, Thomas Mann and those are just the indispensable ones. Knowing the works of the likes of Pavese, Tanizaki, von Doderer, Akutagawa, Broch, Merleau Ponty, Kierkegaard, Santa Teresa and Borges certainly helps.
You also have to be familiar with the Contemporáneos movement in Mexico (particularly Villaurrutia), the Casa del Lago generation and the social and cultural climate in Mexico in the 20th century.
I only have the Austrians left to acquaint myself with 😉
> he's my personal favourite
Understandable, tbh. I honestly don't know who I would choose as Mexico's big four. I'm only sure of sor Juana, and based on my personal taste I would add López Velarde, Gorostiza and Rulfo; but I'm not sure if Gorostiza and Rulfo can be considered great writers, I think you could say the same thing of them as of Cervantes: their work is greater than themselves.
>Pablo Neruda
I imagine his poetry is fine in Spanish, but the English translations are some of the worst stuff I've ever read.
Good thing he writes in Spanish
De Rokha
Mistral
Parra
Teillier is the best chilean poet
Whitman, Dickinson, Frost, Eliot.
Blest Gana ain't that bad, also N. Parra is the GOAT of irony/sarcasm/dont-give-a-frickery, compairito.
wrong post amigo
Why? I completed his answer, Gana is known as the "Father of chilean Novella" and Parra is a Cervantes prize winner.
I'll admit I made my post in a hurry and those two were the only ones I could remember off the top of my head
I thank you for completing my post and the incidental recommendations (specially Blest Gana as I've been on a 19th century binge as of late)
Only one of them is truly important
I honestly wouldn't know. Georgi Gospodinov won the International booker prize recently, I guess he's on the list. And I've heard Zdravka Evtimova's "Blood" is studied in some American high schools so I guess that gives her points. But the writers our kids study are 19th century Romanticist boomers who talk about their endless suffering under the Ottomans
Foucault, Gide, Proust, Verlaine
Basé !
frog.
Oops sorry I meant to post this:
Mallarmé
Huysmans
Racine
Céline
>australia
Does Patrick white count?
fellow ausbro, we have the union jack on our flag so we can just claim all the english writers if we wanted
Aren't you the descendants of life sentence serving convicts? Not sure why you would take pride in the country that banished you
Dunno where you got life sentence from, the average was less than 10 years. The idea was they could be turned into free settlers once their time was up since it wasn't easy enticing people to start a new life at the end of the earth normally.
Gerald Murnane
White, Paterson, Murnane, Franklin. I could go on, our literature really isn't that bad you pathetic poofs.
Who are White, Murnane, and Franklin and what is appealing about their writings? Never heard of them before this thread.
Gerald Murnane: Excellent writer, from Melbourne, still alive, went to the same high school as me, best works are The Plains, Inland.
Patrick White: Nobel Prize Laureate, by far our greatest writer, gay, dead, best works are Voss. the Vivisector. the Tree of Man.
Miles Franklin: Woman, wrote in the Edwardian era, named an award after her, best works are My Brilliant Career (they made a good film of that) and All That Swagger.
Yeah but why are the books enjoyable? Rich settings? Interesting philosophy? A woman and two homos isn't really a description on what makes a writer worthwhile.
Awful writer. Always one Murnanegay seething in these threads.
have a nice day. Cartarshitcu is trash.
Rent free
Murnane’s prose sucks.
>our literature really isn't that bad
Even Canada is more prolific in terms of literature than you and they're nearly at the African level of relevance themselves.
Banjo Patterson, Matthew Reilly, errr.. Mem Fox and Germaine Greer?
Mark Read AKA Chopper
>fellow ausbro can't think of a good Aussie author
you're forgetting me.
you can be the first 'strayan to write a masterpiece. Go on, anon, you can do it!
Atwood, Munro, Montgomery, Davies I guess?
Depressing honestly
I was about to feel sorry for you but you listed 3 women so what the frick are you playing at?
Get out of here, dude. Our Big Four are:
>Alice Munro
>Farley Mowat
>WO Mitchell
>Morley Callaghan
AKA, the 4M
Sábato, Arlt, Marechal, Borges
I love Borges and Messi so much I want to move to Argentina and marry an Argentine girl.
We don't want you here, mutt.
>arlt
>marechal
Lel Santi.
Why DeLillo?
Because of Underworld.
For me it's: Gamboa, García Ponce, Fuentes and Del Paso
Idk if Gamboa is that good tbh, i would replace him with sor juana but idk if poets are allowed in the list. Also i dont like naturalism so i am biased
I know Gamboa isn't that great compared to the others in my list, it's just that he's my personal favourite. I've read his novelettes recently and mechero de gas just made me feel something no other work has made me feel before.
Instead of Gamboa, if poetry is not allowed, I might go with Rulfo just because he's the main icon of Mexican literature in the whole world.
Im glad Gamboa did it for u anon!
I would say, for most significant American fiction writers of the past 50 years:the top 4 would be:
(1) Thomas Pynchon
(2) Philip Roth
(3) John Updike
(4) William H. Gass
>3 nobodies and a israelite pornographer
You are fricking moronic.
Faulkner, Melville, Fitzgerald, Hemmingway, or are we only doing recent authors or something?
Hemingway*, pseud.
>all those shitters and Corncob
Bad taste OP. Better put Melville, Faulkner and Poe in there instead of all that postmodern shit.
Ivana-Brlić Mažuranić
Marin Držić
Ranko Marinković
Miroslav Krleža
4 bi bilo preograničavajuće za našu književnost: Matoš, Gundulić, Krleža. Šenoa, Marulić, Zagorka
Turgenev, Leskov, Bunin, Dovlatov
You're not Italian.
Um, mods?!
Deloitte, PwC, KPMG and EY, I thought this was a global thing
Wallace is shit
Less shit than Corman McDonalds
So the ESL moron with an obsession with trannies and homos is a dfwcuck?!
Makes sense.
Switch off the internet for a while, buddy.
It’s just Hemmingway and Cormac and a bunch of gays
Valmiki
Kabir
Ghalib
Kalidas
Valmiki
Vyas
Buddha
Kalidasa
Strindberg
Söderberg
Moberg
Martinson
...probably. Stringberg is the only obvious one
Rydberg
Gällande barnlitteratur får vi faktiskt vara stolta över Lindgren också
Lagerlöf jävla cp
Hon är medioker, pöbel
Rydberg
Strindberg
Runeberg
Söderberg
End of.
Sneed
Chuck
Frick
Suck
Camões
Fernando Pessoa
Bernardo Soares (Fernando Pessoa)
Alberto Caeiro (Fernando Pessoa)
Bukowski
Whitman
Cormac
Melville
Paz Rulfo Sor Juana and Arreola. Most people dont give a frick about lit so they would all be passable to some liberal studies cuck.
Dostoevsky
Tolstoy
Bulgakov
idk let it be Nabokov
>Russian writer
>Russian writer
>Russian writer
>American writer
uh oh
Australia only has Lawson and Paterson and even they are kind of 8/10
Jane Austen, Nnary Wollstonecraft, Virginia Woolf, and Sinnone de Beauvoir
This is the only answer
Who’s the guy on the right?
Melville
Who's the trans woman on the left?
Milan Kundera, Karel Čapek, Jaroslav Hašek, Bohumil Harbal
Earlier, more 'legendary' on the same level as, say, Melville:
Božena Němcová, Karel Hynek Mácha, Karla Jaromíra Erbena, Josef Kajetán Tyl
>Karla Jaromíra Erbena
I don't know why this is declenched, but his name in the first case is actually Karel Jaromír Erben
>cisnormative shitlord does a transerasure in real time
Kys.
What in the actual frick does any of this mean
>WordsWordsWords
Frick!
Official:
Machado de Assis
Carlos Drimmond de Andrade
Guimarães Rosa
Clarice Lispector
Mine:
Augusto fos Anjos
Graciliano Ramos
Rubem Fonseca
Sérgio Sant'anna
bump
do you know any brazilian writers for someone who loves modernism/post modernism?
joyce, beckett, faulkner, gaddis, pynchon, gass, delillo?
grande sertão scratches the modernism itch but aside from that I only read machado and it was boring as frick, only memórias póstumas stood out for me
Mickiewicz
Sienkiewicz
Reymont
Lem
Jan kochanowski, Juliusz słowacki, Kopernik maybe that b***h Gombrowicz but I'd rather lean towards Henryk Sienkiewicz
Big dick, big balls, but no sex.
If I'm trying to be objective about Britain it's probably
Shakespeare
Austen
Dickens
Woolf
Poetry aside, Britain has produced few truly great authors. Shakespeare and Dickens are obviously elite, but there’s a huge gulf between these two and the rest
>Woolf
Nah
Um, Lawrence, Hardy, you fricking idiot?
Is this list supposed to be ever? Or just recently? If it's ever SURELY you put in
Melville
Hemmingway
Poe
Anon's diary tbh
Aleksis Kivi
Algot Untola
Volter Kilpi
uhh
I think the rest suck honestly. Maybe I'll be the fourth one day.
I would put Waltari there even though his big successful novels were quite lowbrow. He has some seriously great short stories and he knew how to treat complex themes with elegant simplicity. Some of the works remind me strongly of Hemingway.
Cervantes
Bécquer
Unamuno
Galdós
Mmm, sir... you are forgetting someone.
I would go with Calderón over Lope. The Golden Age is stacked.
Balassi Bálint (lyric poetry), Pázmány Péter (prose), Zrínyi Miklós (epic poetry), Madách Imre (drama)
Lyric poetry could also go to either Arany János or Vörösmarty Mihály. As for prose, Kemény Zsigmond is definitely a close second.
>Bangladesh
Kazi Nazrul Islam
Rabindranath Tagore
Humayun Ahmed
Lalon Fakir
>Rabindranath Tagore
>Bangladesh
>big 4
more like big 200
you can guess the country
China
My picks:
Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Álvaro Mutis
Juan Manuel Roca
Andrés Caicedo
Mario Mendoza
Piedad Bonnet
Marvel Moreno
---Make your pick
p.s. frick GGM
off the top of my head, probably katherine mansfield, maurice gee, james baxter, and barry crump. the last pick is a bit of a joke but i don't exactly have many choices down here in new zealand. maybe someone can remind me of someone i'm missing.
Dante, Leopardi, Pirandello, D'Annunzio, and many more.
Whitman
James
Faulkner
Melville
Stephen King
Shakespeare (obvious)
Milton (obvious)
Chaucer (obvious)
4th is more up for grabs, Spenser is obvious although proselets will probably argue for Dickens.
Burns. Then uhh, Walter Scott I guess, Hugh MacDiarmid...Muriel Spark or the guy who wrote Lanark?
Meša Selimović
Ivo Andrić
Mehmedalija Mak Dizdar
Skender Kulenović
Bernhard, Musil, Zweig, Handke
>Zweig
yea, i guess you could slot in roth or sebald who were objectively better writers, but they didnt really have the impact zweig had contemporary european literature
Can't wait for a Greek anon to enter the thread to flex Homer
just kiss already
Homer
Sophocles
Eurypides
Aeschylus
Mickiewicz, Słowacki, Kochanowski and Sienkiewicz
cringe
For me, it's Khushwant Singh,Tagore, Premchand, & R.K Narayan.
Frick now I’ve got to explore indian lit. Starting the company of women now baka
If you're gonna start with Khushwant Singh, try Train To Pakistan
Okay. What would you recommend from the other guys?
Malgudi Days by R. K. Narayan.
Gitanjali by Rabindranath Tagore (gem)
The Chess Players by Premchand.
Thanks fren :]
Khushwant Singh: Train to Pakistan, I Shall Not Hear The Nightingale, History of The Sikhs (nonfiction)
Tagore: Gitanjali (poems), collected short stories
Premchand: Godaan (novel), collected short stories
R K Narayan: Malgudi Days, The Guide, Waiting For The Mahatama, My Days (memoir)
COOOOOL
>The Company of Women.
Stupendous choice, Anon.
>canada
margaret atwood, michael ondaatje, alice munro, douglas coupland
get me out of this hell on earth
이상
박상륭
최인훈
박경리
毛泽东
习近平
中国共产党
我的日记德苏
1. James Joyce
2. Samuel Beckett
3. W.B. Yeats
4. Seamus Heaney
honorable mentions: Jonathan Swift, Oscar Wilde, George Bernard Shaw, and Elizabeth Bowen
just mentions: Roddy Doyle, Eavan Boland, Patrick Kavanagh, Colm Tóibín, Emma Donoghue, Anne Enright
Sorokin
Pelevin
Dostoevskii
Chekhov
>Sorokin
I too enjoy long-winded coprophiliac fanfiction disguised as avantgarde literature.
Not going to argue with that. I like his works anyways. "Manaraga" is my favorite, alongside with his newer works.
He is still big tho.
Karl Marx
Nietschze
Hegel Kant
Otto Sprengler
Anderson
Poe
Melville
Bukowski
According to academy canon, Mihai Eminescu, Ion Creanga, Ioan Slavici and Ion Luca Caragiale
I would replace Slavici with Tristan Tzara, Max Blecher, or Liviu Rebreanu personally
For me it is:
Ahmet Hamdi Tanpinar
Oguz Atay
Sabahattin Ali
Yasar Kemal
Tolstoy
Dostoevsky
Chekhov
Pushkin
obviously
Jacques Roumain
Frankétienne
Oswald Durand
René Depestre
José Hernandez, Borges, and Cortazar. I can't think of a 4th.
Macedonio Fernández? Bioy Casares? I'm not from Argentina so I don't know their reputation there.
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IBSEN
CHRISTENSEN
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