>nooooo daddy spoon-feed me please!!!!
You talk like a homosexual.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I accept "your" concession.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I never "debated" anything with you in the first place, you disgusting tub of lard. Ask your doctor about ozempic, it would do you good to lose half a ton or two.
It ultimately comes down to practicality. It’s not practical to believe in solipsism. Maybe if you’re an absolute loser and want to believe that the world isn’t real, I guess. But it doesn’t really inform your actions in any way. Unless you want to commit suicide and end the dream.
>noooo belief in nonsense is fine if it's practical
Are you religious?
2 months ago
Anonymous
religion won’t be practical forever though. It’s already ridiculous now that we actually understand a lot about the world. Otherwise it would actually be a valid belief. Organisms find whatever beliefs help them survive. Solipsism doesn’t and will never do that. Simple.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>religion won’t be practical forever though
So it is practical now, and I assume you are religious because of this? >It’s already ridiculous now
Irrelevant according to you.
>Solipsism doesn’t and will never do that. Simple.
You've shifted from saying impractical beliefs shouldn't be accepted to saying a belief must be practical in order to be accepted. So again I ask, are you religious?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Religion isn’t practical for me. I’m too high IQ to buy into it. Other people don’t really have much of a choice. It’s their best belief system to follow. They are too moronic to understand the alternative. They are the type of people who think that if morality is subjective, then they can just go around raping and murdering. Also if I were actually religious, I would try my best to follow that religion perfectly, which is actually difficult since most religions are contradictory and it’s not clear how to do that, but I would devote my life to God in such a way that the world would view me as a loser. I wouldn’t have the motivation to get rich, get a hot wife, and have lots of kids and teach them to be rich and successful too. So religion would just be pulling me in different directions and I couldn’t withstand the hypocrisy that most NPC’s are able to deal with. They just ignore parts of their religion that they don’t like and go about their day
2 months ago
Anonymous
Very cool story anon but does this mean you think religious people who find practicality in their beliefs are justified in holding to them?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>justified
Depends on what you mean by “justified.” I do think that for many people, religion is an optimal reproductive strategy. A lot of atheists try to return to religion, or at least see the appeal in religion, because it offers pre-defined meaning and goals, a sense of community, etc. It’s possible that many people are even genetically predisposed to be religious, as the past thousands of years surely selected for people who were willing to be indoctrinated and go along with whatever the priests told them. There is a submissiveness and naivety in theists at the genetic level, they can’t seem to get rid of it. Forcing them to be atheists is like trying to force a dog to not love humans. The difference of course is that humans actually exist, and God doesn’t.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I mean epistemologically justified on the pragmatic grounds you are describing. After all if you're saying solipsism is justifiably rejected by anyone for whom it's impractical, is the theist likewise justified in rejecting atheism if it's impractical for them?
2 months ago
Anonymous
natural selection is the grounds for justification. All knowledge is uncertain. Either you survive or you don’t. If a religious man lives a good life and is married and has kids, then how could you say that he shouldn’t have been religious? This is not to say that we shouldn’t criticize religion and try to move society towards less reliance on religion, but in individual cases, I can’t blame them for being religious. Likewise I see why people are solipsistic. It’s often associated with being depressed, not wanting the world to be real. It’s not really a function of logic but physiology and mental health. Basically what I’m saying is that it’s not beneficial for healthy people.
Hey OP, I'm a figment of your imagination telling you you are the only real, thinking creature in the universe. Alternatively, you're a figment of my imagination telling me that I'm the only real, thinking creature in the universe. On a cosmological scale of things, it doesn't really make a difference if you really think about it.
Solipsism has never been refuted.
Wittgenstein actually made a pretty decent argument for any possible argument is favor of solipsism being meaningless.
I see no argument, refute solipsism or gtfo
>nooooo daddy spoon-feed me please!!!!
You talk like a homosexual.
I accept "your" concession.
I never "debated" anything with you in the first place, you disgusting tub of lard. Ask your doctor about ozempic, it would do you good to lose half a ton or two.
too bad it’s unfalsifiable and useless to even think about ;(
this.
plus OP if you actually act on the assumption of solipsism you're going to ruin your life by alienating all the "fake" people.
>a belief must be falsifiable to be accepted
>he doesn't know this belief itself is unfalsifiable
Kek
It ultimately comes down to practicality. It’s not practical to believe in solipsism. Maybe if you’re an absolute loser and want to believe that the world isn’t real, I guess. But it doesn’t really inform your actions in any way. Unless you want to commit suicide and end the dream.
>noooo belief in nonsense is fine if it's practical
Are you religious?
religion won’t be practical forever though. It’s already ridiculous now that we actually understand a lot about the world. Otherwise it would actually be a valid belief. Organisms find whatever beliefs help them survive. Solipsism doesn’t and will never do that. Simple.
>religion won’t be practical forever though
So it is practical now, and I assume you are religious because of this?
>It’s already ridiculous now
Irrelevant according to you.
>Solipsism doesn’t and will never do that. Simple.
You've shifted from saying impractical beliefs shouldn't be accepted to saying a belief must be practical in order to be accepted. So again I ask, are you religious?
Religion isn’t practical for me. I’m too high IQ to buy into it. Other people don’t really have much of a choice. It’s their best belief system to follow. They are too moronic to understand the alternative. They are the type of people who think that if morality is subjective, then they can just go around raping and murdering. Also if I were actually religious, I would try my best to follow that religion perfectly, which is actually difficult since most religions are contradictory and it’s not clear how to do that, but I would devote my life to God in such a way that the world would view me as a loser. I wouldn’t have the motivation to get rich, get a hot wife, and have lots of kids and teach them to be rich and successful too. So religion would just be pulling me in different directions and I couldn’t withstand the hypocrisy that most NPC’s are able to deal with. They just ignore parts of their religion that they don’t like and go about their day
Very cool story anon but does this mean you think religious people who find practicality in their beliefs are justified in holding to them?
>justified
Depends on what you mean by “justified.” I do think that for many people, religion is an optimal reproductive strategy. A lot of atheists try to return to religion, or at least see the appeal in religion, because it offers pre-defined meaning and goals, a sense of community, etc. It’s possible that many people are even genetically predisposed to be religious, as the past thousands of years surely selected for people who were willing to be indoctrinated and go along with whatever the priests told them. There is a submissiveness and naivety in theists at the genetic level, they can’t seem to get rid of it. Forcing them to be atheists is like trying to force a dog to not love humans. The difference of course is that humans actually exist, and God doesn’t.
I mean epistemologically justified on the pragmatic grounds you are describing. After all if you're saying solipsism is justifiably rejected by anyone for whom it's impractical, is the theist likewise justified in rejecting atheism if it's impractical for them?
natural selection is the grounds for justification. All knowledge is uncertain. Either you survive or you don’t. If a religious man lives a good life and is married and has kids, then how could you say that he shouldn’t have been religious? This is not to say that we shouldn’t criticize religion and try to move society towards less reliance on religion, but in individual cases, I can’t blame them for being religious. Likewise I see why people are solipsistic. It’s often associated with being depressed, not wanting the world to be real. It’s not really a function of logic but physiology and mental health. Basically what I’m saying is that it’s not beneficial for healthy people.
>a realicorn is a unicorn which is real
Behold, the intellectual might of atheism.
Is the atheism with us right now?
Epic quip LGBTQP+ affirming reddit friend!
Edit: thanks for the reddit gold, kind stranger!
Reddit derangement syndrome
>Edit: thanks for the reddit gold, kind stranger!
Damn self burn
Plot twist: solipsism is real but you have no controll over your immagination
Hey OP, it's you again, reminding you to take your meds.
Hey OP, I'm a figment of your imagination telling you you are the only real, thinking creature in the universe. Alternatively, you're a figment of my imagination telling me that I'm the only real, thinking creature in the universe. On a cosmological scale of things, it doesn't really make a difference if you really think about it.