The fact there is no project to test the effect of artificial gravity in space proves no one has any plans to colonize space.
Discuss.
The fact there is no project to test the effect of artificial gravity in space proves no one has any plans to colonize space. Discuss.
moon base easier
>moon base easier
same issue, the moon has 1/6th G, and there is no knowledge at all on what effects living at 1/6th G would have on humans
>There is no political will to do colonize space unfortunately and even less so for experimental stuff.
>Theres nothing to discuss, you are right. If we were even half-serious about space exploration we wouldve done this 50 years age.
:/
yeah it just sucks, it's sad, we have more than enough money to put infrastructure everywhere on the solar system, including off world mining, rockets assembled in space, and habitations of any size, yet we're not doing any of that, all the money of our societies is being wasted on consumer goods
>brainlet detected. Theoretically speaking, rockets are trivial too. We needed to start experimenting yesterday if we want to do anything tomorrow.
exatly
I hope things will get better one day
to me a big proof that musk is full of shit is that he never launched anything to test artificial gravity, even though 2 falcon 9 launches could do that, isntead what does he do? put a fricking car in orbit as a promo stunt
shows he's in for quick profits, not someone who has any plans of doing anything in space
>>moon base easier
>same issue, the moon has 1/6th G, and there is no knowledge at all on what effects living at 1/6th G would have on humans
that's why you should do it to find out. it's easier than building a spin station to find out
I agree anon.
Moon bases should be developed before mars bases to self sufficiency so there can be a independent means of producing ships/goods on luna.
That would take too long, we'll never get to Mars if we just stick to our shitty inert rock for the next few decades
We have no projects for even a 0 gravity station to replace the ISS. There is no political will to do colonize space unfortunately and even less so for experimental stuff.
They know a solar nova is coming soon and will frick up and space stations.
How do you get people to go in space en masse without them constantly shitting themselves in the slightest discomforts in space? where anything can go wrong and you could die a horrible but awesome death? that's the real reason people don't demand to go to space, but they demand airliners and satellites and that's about it. no demand, space is giant and empty and you could easily die.
Because imagine getting self filtered before dealing with any real filter like the topic. Oddly enough, the topic is altogether a filter.
yes that too. but how do you convince someone to go spend time in space? you need more than a few thousand people at a time to make any trip into space worth while i.e. going to mars or mining asteroids unless you just want to keep sending machines.
Make Billionaires pay a 1% wealth tax everywhere on Earth.
If they're not on Earth, no tax. They'll figure it out.
>We have no projects for even a 0 gravity station to replace the ISS
>What is Gateway
Theres nothing to discuss, you are right. If we were even half-serious about space exploration we wouldve done this 50 years age.
"if it were possible it would have been done 50 years ago" more like
space is fake and earth is flat
Who said they had plans to colonize space?
Also spin gravity is trivial.
>Also spin gravity is trivial.
brainlet detected. Theoretically speaking, rockets are trivial too. We needed to start experimenting yesterday if we want to do anything tomorrow.
Who is this we? You didn't answer the question.
there is no centrifugal force in zero gravity idiot
Are you aware of how much this would cost?
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what the frick is the point of doing it if we have no possible way of using it, at least for the foreseeable future.
>muh cost
literally 8 falcon 9 launches at most. It doesnt have to be a final thing, fricking even just 2 capsules attached and spinning. its called a test.
Wasn't there a plan to add a small centrifuge to the ISS that got memoryholed?
I think the challenge with space centrifuge is that it needs to be fricking massive otherwise it could have detrimental long term effects on the human body. I didn't just learn that from a video I watched just now btw just in case you're wondering.
the challenge of spin gravity is getting flung the frick away from it if you slip during an eva; think of all the outside work astronauts have to do to build and upgrade and maintain a thing, and think of the rescue operation to retrieve a person dangling at the end of a strap, not to mention now you have to design a hundred places to hook a carabiner on the skin of your craft, and each one has to be able hold a bouncing human.
Mountain climbers have already invented all of that shit
Something with a radius of around 30 meters isn't out of the scope of current technology.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
Reddit said the difference between head and leg gravity would taint the experiment. The result would still be useful for building spaceships though.
Yes, Nautilus X was the NASA project that never launched. More recently a private company floated a concept for their space hotel, but I forget their name.
Axiom?
Axiom isn't a spinning hotel. There were some "concepts" but those were concepts and no actual structure/funding/building took place, so they're non-starters.
I'd be interested to know what's like 100 or.more feet under the surface of moon and Mars,. When can ai powered supercomputer powered big drill mine robots get over there and see if anything cool is underground? Is there any chance theres a bunch of gold under the surface of the moon or mars?
Also any interesting asteroids heading out way?
We would have to see oneheading towards us that will pass us in 10 years or so, send the robot crew years towards it to intercept.....gently land on it....mine it, take off when it is near us.
Hardest part besides robot miners, is it is traveling towards us fast and we want to travel towards it to catch the ride, eventually the craft would have to stop and start traveling back towards us like a baton relay and travel near the same speed so it just gently butts up against
>Is there any chance theres a bunch of gold under the surface of the moon or mars?
>gold
Rather worthless by space standard. What you want to send to Earth is platinum, unless you are so well off in space you need building material for local project.
What the Moon have in quantity apparently is titanium, but only worth mining if you are building in space.
>Also any interesting asteroids heading out way?
We have plenty of NEO to start with.
Catching an asteroids should prove much harder than SF make it look. Asteroid are less big rock than agglomeration of dirts loosely held together by a weak bond and a much weaker gravity.
>send the robot crew years towards it to intercept.....gently land on it....mine it, take off when it is near us.
Orbital dynamic doesn't make this worth it, even for robot who can wait forever.
There's also the question of wether it is "cheap" to mine the asteroid or if you need a giant/costly machine to extract anything worth it.
Intercepting something far away and matching velocity is very costly/time consuming. At best you could use an orbit with a cyclic orbit and send ore every cycle.
There's also the question of wether or not your mining outpost need new repair parts delivered.
Almost all the minerals that are on Earth are on Mars. Probably on Moon too
>test the effect of artificial gravity
It will be easier to just make a manned bases on the Moon and Mars and test there. Because we are building those anyway,
> and test there. Because we are building those anyway,
And risk making your bazillion dollars investment worthless if the result is negative*?
(*negative as "you can, if you rewrite human DNA only to live there and you'll die on 1G planet" so you may review other options)
There's also distance. In case of problem the Moon is 3 days away. Mars is... month away in best case unless you have really speedy ships.
There already was. It was a tether used between a capsule and a counterweight, and also ground based centrifuge experiments. The math for making it work is done, it just isn't worth spending tens of millions on when it is actually simple. The non-simple part is making the entire craft large enough to:
1) Not give the entire crew massive headaches and nausea (60 - 90m diameter minimum for trained individuals)
2) Avoid the Dzhanibekov effect with counter weights or a full taurus
3) Be at a low enough RPM and design to not rattle the craft apart and also deal with 1)
4) Also funding it (the main problem)
A craft that meets these requirements, even with cheaper launches from SpaceX, will be tens of billions of dollars and many years of design. It would require international funding since no business model can recoup this alone.
Why cant you moronic cucks realize space is fake anf gay?
what do you mean by that? It's right there.
Space might be the gayest thing ever. Though time is also a flaming homosexual
no need to waste time and money stupid goyim, there are more important things such as lgbtq+abcd black lives matter racism and climate change, besides space exploration is just like colonization, white man enslaving BIPOC minorities
I think you're on the wrong board, perhaps the wrong site
you're on the wrong side
Gravitational plating?
>space is real
>Discuss.
sidetrack, but when I first came across this way of finishing the proposal of a topic, it struck me as extremely rude, and it still does. why do anglo-saxons do this?
There's plan. But from people who are either too dumb to care about health effect or lie to everyone and only want the glory from achieving something like a new manned delivery of flag beyond Earth.
There's simply no profit motive for colonization, space mining will be done best by robots.
There's no political will for colonization and it would start wars if anyone start claiming interesting place like Lagrange point 1 or the best place for a Lunar Elevator.
There's a science motivation to know the effect of artificial gravity, but the cost are currently too high to be worth it.
You can have a market for tourism but it will remain a niche and extremely costly with few individual getting a chance (unless you change the entire economic system).
We are working very hard to create a motive thought.
We are destroying Earth's ecosystem as fast as we can, so fast in fact we may have a motive to create Space colony or a Space Sunshield to save the planet long before having the technology to do so.
Space is boring as frick.
A backyard with 10 trees is far more exciting to explore and its full of life
Ew
>oh wow a floating rock in the blackness
so fun
>he thinks there is such a thing as space and that he is not implicitly and absolutely suspended in the mind of an evil god
Imagine you drill and refine 10000000 metric tons of whatever material (iron, gold, plutonium, whatever) from a bunch of asteroids, and now you want them back on Earth, how do you do that without fricking smashing it against the surface?
>how do you do that without fricking smashing it against the surface?
Just use Lithobraking.
yeah sure, but it would be a clusterfrick, and I bet a bunch of countries would be against the idea of that
As long as it bring resources to a superpower they will find a legal framework to allow it.
The main trouble with deorbiting is that during the process your cargo become a hyper kinetic projectile one failure away from hitting something below but as long as it is within a return system capable of deflecting its trajectory to somewhere safe, you'd have little risk, your real problem will be to make it cheap.
We can't discuss this topic without building an hypothetical space infrastructure.
I'd say that if I take
metric tons of whatever
We already have the technology to build orbital rings (much more interesting than space elevator FYI).
spess elevators built from the material recovered from the first few asteroids