Why are there people who, without irony, really believe that conquests and invasions change the genetics of the conquered population?
It rarely happens that an army changes the local genome....(in fact, we don't have a single example of how this happened)
you guys use the example of MENA.
"the Arabsz changed the region expensively" whereas in reality, the Arab genetic contribution to the region is so insignificant that this "theory" is marginal.
"muh the Turks changed central Asia and Anatolia" false again, true "Turkish" ancestry does not reach 20% in these regions.
"muh Indo-Europeans replaced the EEF" and even the Swedes, Russians or Irish, have similar ancestry... that is, even our super steppe Irish friend, will still have his 48% EEF ancestry.
Conquest does not mean genetic change.
Mmmm, angles.
where the frick are abos
you forgot the moronic terminologies they use.
"mena" is not a cluster, in the same way that "cita" is not.
and I think it's cool that some WN people say that white people were once white in Asia, and use Andronovo, bmac mutts, Elamites and later Dravidian.
and how to take two examples of Mexicans that look like Iberians and say;
"Evidently white people were once natives here"
the idiots always use the same handpicked photos of white people in these regions, but they are literally one in 30 haha
and they are actually iran_N
Why would a soldier want to live among different people instead of his family?
but the white/andronovo contribution is undeniable.
I understood what you said, but it is undeniable that our ancestors settled in the region
what contribution?
Tell me something cultural that is seen among them until at least the Iron Age?
linguistics? Mexicans speak Spanish today, it doesn't mean much.
genetically they diluted absolutely quickly, they didn't even turn white until 1000 years ago...
they were bmac mutts.
and what can we take from pre-iron age Iranians? small barbarian tribes being absorbed bmac and elamite pells?
The Persians at the time of the empire were already more meteda, not Andronovo/Sintashta.
posting samples from the bronze age, pre bmac mix is being dishonest.
The early persians were white
No.
OP completely ignoring the fact that Ghenkis khan on his own fricked so much pussy in mongolia that the entireity of mongolia is so inbred everyone you could possibly breed is on the same genetic tier as your sister and theyre begging for chinese and russian wiener to come in, facing a potential death of their genome
The Arab (or any other) conquests did not change the genetics of MENA and you had some places that had Arabs long before the Arab conquests, like the Levant and Mesopotamia, for example.
And the Arabs were already close to other MENA populations anyway
MENA, asia bla bla was diverse, even before these farmers or aryans came to Europe, there was already a lot of differentiation going on, especially between northwestern Anatolia (ancestors of the Eurofarmers) and the more eastern people, the idea of a single group of “farmers” was basically replaced in 2017
>that is, even our super steppe Irish friend, will still have his 48% EEF ancestry.
How does admitting >52% genetic replacement help your point? Mind you, the bulk of Irish farmer is replaced too by continental farmer ancestry.
Genetic replacement is all-pervasive throughout prehistory and history and you are clinically moronic.
Cope
even the farmers were already very mixed with the WHG, globular were very WHG who presented agriculture
and look at these beautiful samples, look at their 48% of the EEF that northern Europeans have.
maybe they forgot to colonize them? Lol
Para de ser marica
How are you to this mentally deficient? Even in your bizarre "Farmer = Native" equivalence(farmer ancestry can replace other farmer ancestry), you are still admitting to 52% genetic replacement.
I'm not the OP, you moron.
what is more;
I never said that eef er natives.
I said they still represent half the ancestry of the purest Aryans of all.
and these same farmers still had a lot of WHG ancestry. mainly in Central and Northern Europe.
If you don't know how to read and you'll be left without an answer, Americano bebedor de esperma
Ah yes, so you are a Latinx coping about the >50% genetic replacement of your own continent. That of course explains it, have a nice day.
There was no substitution, but mixing.
whether in Europe or Latin America.
and I say being a white man from the south
Based
I've never seen such a shitty meme in my entire life...
damn huh? Who was the worm that made this rubbish
Chad Pastoralist
remembering that in 2008, 2010, this type of argument was used mainly by racial nationalists.
never really been something considered consistent among scientific academia
look at the kangz, they said that the Egyptians were black and were replaced by Arabs and Greeks, ironically, the white people who think that Egypt was white use EXACTLY the same argument that the black people used in 2007. What a great thing, right?
well until 2013 genetics wasn't a thing, and from then on, nationalist myths were killed one by one.
They said that the Greeks were Nordic, and with studies the idea died out, it was said that the Romans were Arians, and with the various studies today, even the "Picenos" prove to be mainly Mediterranean.
every idea of theirs was killed
I agree. In the case of Hungary it's supposed to be Scythians who were replaced by Germanics who were replaced by Slavs who were replaced by Avars who were replaced by Slavs again only to be replaced by Magyars, but the bulk of Hungarian population has been living there since the neolithic.
>that is, even our super steppe Irish friend, will still have his 48% EEF ancestry.
(100% EEF + 100% Yamnaya) = 50% Yamnaya, 50% EEF
WHG admixture comes from GAC and Megalithic so basically Eastern Europe and Spain. (75% ANATOLIAN + 25% WHG)
No WHG admixture in Italy and Greece due to pure ANATOLIAN
What I learned from genetics is that all white people are essentially brothers and that everyone else may as well be different species. There is no validity to whites fighting each other over differences because they don't exist. The real enemy is everyone else.
>arbitrary square decides species
lmao there is no reason you couldn't make it smaller or bigger
b-b-but... MUH CLUSTERS (I'm a moor rapebaby spaniarab in denial of the fact I have Black person admixture)
that's not justifying anything also everyone has even in your shitty box
>There is no validity to whites fighting each other over differences because they don't exist
They do. It goes something like
>you own a thing, however I would much rather prefer if I owned that thing
irish are fricking stupid they claim to be indigenous and invaders at the same time
Most of the times yeah but its still happen like the colonization of americas
Sources? My ass
>Why are there people who, without irony, really believe that conquests and invasions change the genetics of the conquered population?
because their team must be better than your team
>in fact, we don't have a single example of how this happened
Yes we do. Here are some:
1. Egypt, where we know the Coptic people are genetically closer to the ancient Egyptians than the Arabs are. We also know by DNA testing that Tutankhamun appears genetically closer to a lot of the modern European population than than the Arabs.
2. North Africa in general. We know this because ancient North Africa had a significant amount of the population with the genes for blond hair. Now, nearly nobody has blond hair.
3. Israel. Ancient Israelites were also known to have the genes for blue eyes. Modern Israelis don't have this gene in such numbers. We also know the gene was suddenly introduced to the population.
4. The USA, Australia, New Zealand, etc. This should be obvious.
5. Japan. The original Ainu were driven to near-extinction.
6. The Mongolians. They killed so many that many modern Asians can trace ancestry to Genghis Khan.
100% schizo
>ancient North Africa had a significant amount of the population with the genes for blond hair.
Never heard of this before.
What's the proofs?
>North Africa in general. We know this because ancient North Africa had a significant amount of the population with the genes for blond hair. Now, nearly nobody has blond hair.
Not it didnt you moron
Maghrebis are still similar as the ancient maghrebis
>The Mongolians. They killed so many that many modern Asians can trace ancestry to Genghis Khan.
Only in central asia
Some did
But having the genes doesnt mean it will show uo
I just want you to know I love you and thanks for making this post.
🙂
>"muh Indo-Europeans replaced the EEF" and even the Swedes, Russians or Irish, have similar ancestry... that is, even our super steppe Irish friend, will still have his 48% EEF ancestry.
So you want to tell us that they've replaced up to half of the genetic material? And that's an Irishman, slavs for instance tend to be much heavily steppe-biased.
35% EEF
Ok, so they went from 80%(there's always a dozen or so % of WHG) to 35% and that is not genetic replacement? Or is your criteria for replacement going down to 0%?
It’s because it’s true OP.
>We don’t have a single example
Yes we do. Pic related and see:
The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool by Gretzinger et al. (2022) It’ll be one of the first searches on Google.
Then look into picking up this book:
Ancestral Journeys: The Peopling of Europe from the First Adventurers to the Vikings by Jean Manco.
Nah
(British=35/40% EEF)
english conquest, arab conquest, spanish conquest are some lazy examples that make you COMPLETELY FRICKING WRONG AND DUMB
>arab conquest
Thats an exception
Beside the americas
Genetic changes are rare
Are you implying that the colonization of North America didn't change its genetics? Entire groups of Native peoples were wiped out. And eve the ones that survived are not entirely related to the people who lived here before since many of them have mixed ancestry.
I mean all he needs to change is "In the vast majority of cases in the pre-modern era mass replacement of a population was incredibly rare" but fair
No.
even in ancient times.
Give me an example of population replacement.
In that case we should even more strongly oppose Black person migration into Europe since that IS changing the local gene pool and this has pretty much never happened throughout history.