>The melancholy of a world where's magic, the glories and wonders of the past are slowly fading away into half forgotten myth
>The horror of a world where magic is raising and myths are revealed real amidst a civilization wholly unprepared for it
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>>The melancholy of a world where's magic, the glories and wonders of the past are slowly fading away into half forgotten myth
more books aside from LotR with this feel?
Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrel starts with that setup, where all the “magicians” are old historians arguing from their armchairs about historical accounts of magic rituals none of them can perform. But the plot is about magic starting to work again so maybe not what exactly you’re looking for. Very wistful setting about a country decidedly past its magic golden (and silver, and bronze) age.
Yeah that's a great book
The Death Gate Cycle, old race of wizards sundered the world into 4 separate planets to prevent their enemy from victory, but the magic they used to make things prosper disappeared
jrpg tier garbage and rape/cuckolding
Yeah, i also read that review on reddit
That series us heckin problematic for sure
>reminder that the Berserk author was a e-girlcon apologist
And?
>yfw you realize the disenchantment narrative in LoTR is an allegory for the victory of Christianity over Anglo-Germanic mythology and that this is part of the unfollding of a whiggish historical progression of religion that ultimately led to the collapse of Christianity and its replacement with humanism and the grey dominion of man
>LoTR
>allegory
It's always confused me how Tolkien was incredibly Christian and wrote Lord of the Rings with Christian concepts and a Christian perspective, but at the same time infused it with so much Germanic folklore and mythology. The larpagans who say that LotR is a pagan story aren't too far off, though I suppose you can be Christian and still be interested in and inspired by other religions. Still, I feel like the story is trying to say something about its real world inspiration and counterparts, it's one part romanticism and another part realism in its perspective of mythical old days. If only we could know truly what Tolkien's mindset was when writing the saga.
He wanted a mythology for Enguhland. And he did it.
i think tolkien would think all the people arguing about whether he was le epic tradcath or le epic white supremacist pagan are fricking losers
As opposed to those who present lectures on "Gender Non-Binary Struggles in the Westfold of Rohan"?
I think Tolkien would, in general, be pretty disappointed with the current day's thoughts regarding his work, but he'd be glad it's lived on for others to see and learn from. Who cares what talking points the loud minority have, what matters is what (You) think about the art.
I agree with you anon. The fact is that his work inspired its readers, not to fall in love with the texts that he did (Beowulf, Kalevala, Germanic and old English poetry), but to create an entire genre and industry of imitative schlock with very little connection to the IRL sources for their themes.
It is the reader who is the real author the text through interpretation. "Authors" are just antennae who pick up noise and some signal from the aether around them.
he would mock treefrickers, but he would be at the very least somewhat sympathetic (but obviously embarrassed) by tradcath larpers - remember that he was one of the people who sneeded hard about latin being replaced by peasant tongues at mass and kept praying in latin
Mock them?
It's really sad and weird already people forget how protecting and taking good care of nature were really strong sentiment among the right before the Current-Year age and how the whole environmentalist was born under conservative and reactionary christians like tolkien
I think that's because most chuds are more concerned nowadays with not getting witch hunted out of existence or trying to put out their societies that are on fire. Like environmentalism is nice but not disappearing completely is a prerequisite for concern about the environment. While people who are nominally environmentalists are either industry shills or people who want to use it as a pretext to grab even more power.
They have a lot of time to b***h about how temperatures are made up and oil is inifinite for all that.
if all you can do is lower the quality of a thread to american level, frick off
Beowulf
>It's always confused me how Tolkien was incredibly Christian and wrote Lord of the Rings with Christian concepts and a Christian perspective, but at the same time infused it with so much Germanic folklore and mythology.
I assume you never read actual source material in any point of history during the 3 eras of the middle ages? Making references to greek mythology was a thing all over Europe. Peasants only referenced their local stories though. You really need to get a grip on how people actually behaved in those times.
How that matters at all?
Tolkien isn't a medieval author nor LoTR a medieval book
You need to wake up tot he modernist threat.
It’s because he had an extremely limited definition of what paganism was. Evidenced by how in his books he defines “heathenry” in-universe as explicit Morgoth worship / human sacrifice to Morgoth. This means that he was free to play around with pagan stuff from Engerland without any heresy towards his Christianity. The strange thing is that most educated Christians in the dark-middle ages would have also identified “innocuous” mythological elements like Elves as pagan demons and I can’t see how Tolkien wouldn’t have been aware of this. Still, this is why he has the elves and magic go away and has his gods stop appearing in Middle-Earth after the First Age. Doing otherwise would have represented religious regression away from Christianity. Still, there is that obvious melancholy for the days when the forests were enchanted and the gods walked the earth in Tolkien and if I was Christian I would be a bit suspicious about that, or at least see it as odd. Then again, anti-pagan fanatics like the Puritans were pretty rare in Christian history I think so maybe there’s nothing wrong with Anglo mythology-Christian syncretism. Curiously, Gene Wolfe’s position on mythology and Christianity seems very similar to Tolkien’s.
This, reading his texts on myths make me wonder if he had any fondness for neo-platonism and the way late antiquity pagan philosophy schools interpreted their myths
That sort of thing has been done for well over a thousand years. Please read Black person, or just stop talking.
I had never thought about it when watching the movies, but upon reading the books, I realized LotR is an incredibly depressing setting. The ending to Lothlorien (the chapter) especially made me sad.
As for Berserk, I absolutely love that story, far more than I could possibly express in a IQfy post. People shit on Falcon of the Millennium Empire and especially Fantasia for pretty valid reasons, but I never found those reasons to ruin the story as a whole. It's just a shame what happened to Puck.
I tried getting into Berserk but I don't get it tbh. I watched the '97 anime and bought the first 5 deluxes, but it all seems like juvenile nonsense with too much gore and paper thin characters. It's got nice art, but it's pretty much an Elric ripoff with Hellraiser aesthetics. Guts is like a 13 yo's idea of Conan and Griffith is every comic book supervillain sapped of all identity (and also a literal homosexual) with no plan. The story ends up with fairies and whatever from what I've seen, so what am I missing? I like some Nipshit, but I find that most of the characters are non-beings, and the writing's always very stilted, as if it's a robot trying to imitate a human and then pass that through a translator. I don't get why it's so lauded as a mature manga. It's like every other edgy anime with faux kewl lines thrown there. Is it just 13 YOs LARPing as
>le struggler
that made it such a hit?
I see it in the same way as I see Don Quixote. Guts and Griffith are 2 ways to see the world/Life/challenges, everytime I read it it somehow resonates with my life and the way I want to live it. You can put everything as represented by guts and griffith, it will somehow fit and will allow you to think about whatever happens next.
>>le struggler
>that made it such a hit?
I guess, probably the first seinen manga and blackpill of many anons.
For me it was
>Gantz>Battle Royale>Berserk>MPD Psycho
It really is something going from
>power of friendship and ganbare saves the world
to that
>WW1
>WW2
Berserk is shocking mediorce
Where is the mandatory ubermensch in Berserk? It can't be apostles or God Hand, they are enslaved to the Idea of Evil. Is it actually the Skull Knight?