Mesopotamia is so boring in comparison. Their art, their architecture, their rituals. Nothing about it is weird or unique, or hard to understand. It's all very clear cut. Egypt was considered "weird" even in antiquity and to this day it's full of mysteries. You look at something like the triad of Menkaure and this was made so fricking long ago, Greece wasn't even a thing yet and the humanity was basically closer to hunter gatherers than to us. 95% of the world was still living in caves and chucking spears at deer while Egyptians were already making something like this, full size out of single block of stone, fully symmetrical. It shouldn't even be possible yet it exists. Nothing from Mesopotamia comes even close.
What about it is weird or unique? Exactly what you'd expect from a culture like that.
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Anonymous
women=fertility
wow
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Anonymous
We don't know what it means. And the countless stone slabs and statues of powerful, rather lifeless-looking men with deities are too rather expected, even emblematic of Egypt.
It's impressive for the time don't get me wrong, but you have to admit
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Mesopotamia is so boring in comparison. Their art, their architecture, their rituals. Nothing about it is weird or unique, or hard to understand. It's all very clear cut. Egypt was considered "weird" even in antiquity and to this day it's full of mysteries. You look at something like the triad of Menkaure and this was made so fricking long ago, Greece wasn't even a thing yet and the humanity was basically closer to hunter gatherers than to us. 95% of the world was still living in caves and chucking spears at deer while Egyptians were already making something like this, full size out of single block of stone, fully symmetrical. It shouldn't even be possible yet it exists. Nothing from Mesopotamia comes even close.
I refer to all of them as Mesopotamia. Akkadian, Sumerian, Babylonian and so on. Nothing comes close to Egypt in terms of what they produced.
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Anonymous
Well, that's like your opinion, dude.
I personally find them more interesting, first cities, cuneiform and all of that.
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Anonymous
Cannot imagine anything more boring than cuneiform, literally just kana, write a bunch of syllables in a line. Riveting stuff. Zero artistry and sovl compared to hieroglyphics.
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Anonymous
You might like maya glyphs, which have all the functionality of japanese script with ten times the artistry of egyptian. The three dimensional aspect of the script is pretty unique, you can carve stairs out of them and stuff like that.
cuneiform is really cool when you see how tiny cuneiform tablets are. I have a soft spot for cuneiform.
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Anonymous
They just don't do it for me the same way Egyptian hieroglyphs do.
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Anonymous
Maya glyphs are easily the most kino writing system
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>Nothing comes close to Egypt in terms of what they produced.
Their monuments, being made mainly of baked brick (and other perishable materials, like cedar), naturally do not stand today. Mind you, the Ur III state was not less powerful than a unified Egypt.
With regards to intellectual creation, they were similar, sometimes ahead, of Egypt. Cuneiform may well have been the inspiration for true writing in Egypt. True belles lettres seems to spring up in Sumer before Egypt. Old Babylonian mathematics are seemingly unparalleled before the Greeks (although the scarcity of Egyptian sources should be noted). Astronomy was the famous science of Mesopotamia, like medicine for Egypt. A primitive type of linguistics and grammatical science pretty much only exists in Mesopotamia before the Greeks and Indians appear. The wax board, used widely in the classical and even medieval world, was likely invented in Mesopotamia at the end of the 3rd mil. BC. Off the top of my head. At least, this seems to be the case with what Egyptian sources we have now.
Egyptians were mainly ahead in architecture, medicine and religious thought.
>Nothing about it is weird or unique
It's a bronze age culture. Much about it is weird. as for uniqueness - Mesopotamian (Babylonian) culture was highly influential, affecting the surrounding areas of Assyria, Elam, Levant, Anatolia and even Egypt. >Egypt was considered "weird" even in antiquity and to this day it's full of mysteries.
If you read scholarly papers instead of watching ''mystery of Egypt'' history channel docs, you'd see that there are a plethora of unanswered questions about both Egyptian and Mesopotamian culture. Mesopotamia has more textual remains, is all. Real mysterious are cultures with no deciphered script, like Minoan and Indus Valley. >Nothing from Mesopotamia comes even close.
Stone masonry from Egypt was naturally superior, having a natural access to it. More resources could be pooled because of the unity of the Egyptian state, as well.
You have a funny, late 19th century-esque naivity about Egypt.
When it comes to religion, their afterlife beliefs were either pretty stupid or there's something missing. It's hard to reconcile the "Mystery religions come from Egypt" claim in esoteric circles to their belief that paradise was a continuation of earthly life.
mystery religions are not a strange inclination, and is widespread. maybe Egyptian one (likely existed - Egypt had many religious divergencies from area to area, so the postulation of a mystery sect is not unreasonable. the god Amun already has qualities of such a religious view) was simply more influential, like Egyptian culture in general
>explains exactly how the pyramids were build in detail and even includes mathematical formulas showing how to build them again
the Pharaoh was potentially Muslim
>And Pharaoh said, “O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars” (28:38). >And Pharaoh said, “O Haman, construct for me a tower that I might reach the ways – The ways into the heavens – so that I may look at the deity of Moses; but indeed, I think he is a liar” (40:36-37).
This is like the tower of babel story blenderized with the pyramid construction. But also the implication that the israelites built the pyramids in slavery.
Religious texts and the comparisons you can make between different faiths with similar backgrounds is always really interesting to me. Like, when we move past the initial arguments on faith and just treat works like the quaran and the Bible as part of a discussion on mythology the same way you'd talk about Greek or Egyptian mythos, it can lead to some interesting discussion.
We know, >who it was built for >when >Were the workers lived, >What their standard of living was like. >What it looked like when finished vs now >What it meant religiously and symbolically >What it's architectural antecedents were.
I think we know quite a lot, even if we still quibble over the exact construction methods.
Why are sodosemite aryan son Abrahamix obsessed with pagan Egypt & its pyramids and not Mesopotamia & its ziggurats.
Mesopotamia is so boring in comparison. Their art, their architecture, their rituals. Nothing about it is weird or unique, or hard to understand. It's all very clear cut. Egypt was considered "weird" even in antiquity and to this day it's full of mysteries. You look at something like the triad of Menkaure and this was made so fricking long ago, Greece wasn't even a thing yet and the humanity was basically closer to hunter gatherers than to us. 95% of the world was still living in caves and chucking spears at deer while Egyptians were already making something like this, full size out of single block of stone, fully symmetrical. It shouldn't even be possible yet it exists. Nothing from Mesopotamia comes even close.
>Nothing about it is weird or unique, or hard to understand. It's all very clear cut.
Kek
What about it is weird or unique? Exactly what you'd expect from a culture like that.
women=fertility
wow
We don't know what it means. And the countless stone slabs and statues of powerful, rather lifeless-looking men with deities are too rather expected, even emblematic of Egypt.
It's impressive for the time don't get me wrong, but you have to admit
is objectively better and more refined in detail.
Because there is actually no "Mesopotamia".
It's a made up word that is used to describe like 5 different historical cultures/civilizations.
I refer to all of them as Mesopotamia. Akkadian, Sumerian, Babylonian and so on. Nothing comes close to Egypt in terms of what they produced.
Well, that's like your opinion, dude.
I personally find them more interesting, first cities, cuneiform and all of that.
Cannot imagine anything more boring than cuneiform, literally just kana, write a bunch of syllables in a line. Riveting stuff. Zero artistry and sovl compared to hieroglyphics.
You might like maya glyphs, which have all the functionality of japanese script with ten times the artistry of egyptian. The three dimensional aspect of the script is pretty unique, you can carve stairs out of them and stuff like that.
cuneiform is really cool when you see how tiny cuneiform tablets are. I have a soft spot for cuneiform.
They just don't do it for me the same way Egyptian hieroglyphs do.
Maya glyphs are easily the most kino writing system
>Nothing comes close to Egypt in terms of what they produced.
Their monuments, being made mainly of baked brick (and other perishable materials, like cedar), naturally do not stand today. Mind you, the Ur III state was not less powerful than a unified Egypt.
With regards to intellectual creation, they were similar, sometimes ahead, of Egypt. Cuneiform may well have been the inspiration for true writing in Egypt. True belles lettres seems to spring up in Sumer before Egypt. Old Babylonian mathematics are seemingly unparalleled before the Greeks (although the scarcity of Egyptian sources should be noted). Astronomy was the famous science of Mesopotamia, like medicine for Egypt. A primitive type of linguistics and grammatical science pretty much only exists in Mesopotamia before the Greeks and Indians appear. The wax board, used widely in the classical and even medieval world, was likely invented in Mesopotamia at the end of the 3rd mil. BC. Off the top of my head. At least, this seems to be the case with what Egyptian sources we have now.
Egyptians were mainly ahead in architecture, medicine and religious thought.
>humanity was basically closer to hunter gatherers than to us
Oh poor sweet summer child
>Nothing about it is weird or unique
It's a bronze age culture. Much about it is weird. as for uniqueness - Mesopotamian (Babylonian) culture was highly influential, affecting the surrounding areas of Assyria, Elam, Levant, Anatolia and even Egypt.
>Egypt was considered "weird" even in antiquity and to this day it's full of mysteries.
If you read scholarly papers instead of watching ''mystery of Egypt'' history channel docs, you'd see that there are a plethora of unanswered questions about both Egyptian and Mesopotamian culture. Mesopotamia has more textual remains, is all. Real mysterious are cultures with no deciphered script, like Minoan and Indus Valley.
>Nothing from Mesopotamia comes even close.
Stone masonry from Egypt was naturally superior, having a natural access to it. More resources could be pooled because of the unity of the Egyptian state, as well.
You have a funny, late 19th century-esque naivity about Egypt.
When it comes to religion, their afterlife beliefs were either pretty stupid or there's something missing. It's hard to reconcile the "Mystery religions come from Egypt" claim in esoteric circles to their belief that paradise was a continuation of earthly life.
mystery religions are not a strange inclination, and is widespread. maybe Egyptian one (likely existed - Egypt had many religious divergencies from area to area, so the postulation of a mystery sect is not unreasonable. the god Amun already has qualities of such a religious view) was simply more influential, like Egyptian culture in general
dawg egypt literally got everything from mesopotamia
we know plenty about it. stop listening to pseuds.
we know virtually nothing about it, they literally discovered a space the size of your living room last year by just poking a stethoscope in a crack
>if one thing is discovered we lose all previous knowledge
Unhinged
what knowledge? Nobody even knows how it was built
Stop listening to schizos and read a book
I read more book about pyramids than you know of.
>explains exactly how the pyramids were build in detail and even includes mathematical formulas showing how to build them again
the Pharaoh was potentially Muslim
Post some quotes
Most of those egyptian films are cleopatra ones. In second place are exodus shit
>Post some quotes
No you have to read Arabic to understand it
I can read Arabic. Post some quotes
>And Pharaoh said, “O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars” (28:38).
>And Pharaoh said, “O Haman, construct for me a tower that I might reach the ways – The ways into the heavens – so that I may look at the deity of Moses; but indeed, I think he is a liar” (40:36-37).
This is like the tower of babel story blenderized with the pyramid construction. But also the implication that the israelites built the pyramids in slavery.
Religious texts and the comparisons you can make between different faiths with similar backgrounds is always really interesting to me. Like, when we move past the initial arguments on faith and just treat works like the quaran and the Bible as part of a discussion on mythology the same way you'd talk about Greek or Egyptian mythos, it can lead to some interesting discussion.
We know,
>who it was built for
>when
>Were the workers lived,
>What their standard of living was like.
>What it looked like when finished vs now
>What it meant religiously and symbolically
>What it's architectural antecedents were.
I think we know quite a lot, even if we still quibble over the exact construction methods.