The Phoenicians named their settlement "Qart Hadasht", later "Carthage", which means New City. Then they settled another city in Iberia and also called it New City, which became "New Carthage" or "New New City".
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all spanish culture is autistic, so yes
this is why spain became an italian colony, and largely still is
if Cartagena de Indias had been named Nuevo Cartagena instead, it would have been New New New City
Carthage was just Phoenician Israel, prove me wrong
>New City
So where was the old city?
Israel doesn't exist until after the Maccabean revolt.
I mean it was to Phoenicians what Israel is to israelites
>So where was the old city?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre,_Lebanon
I know all about Tyre, why do you think so?
Because that's the city they came from, dipshit. They came from the old city and made the new city. Then they went elsewhere from the new city and made the new new city. It's not that hard to figure out.
Romans ended up rebuilding both newcities though.
>Because that's the city they came from, dipshit.
...Your basis? And why does Tyre have a Greek etymology(Tyros)?
You are a braindead subliterate homosexual. KYS immediately. We call it Tyre. The Phoenicians called it Sur / Tzur (צור / 𐤑𐤓).
>You are a braindead subliterate homosexual. KYS immediately. We call it Tyre. The Phoenicians called it Sur / Tzur (צור / 𐤑𐤓).
According to what? And why did you type it in modern Hebrew? That makes literally no sense. You seem like a supremacist.
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It doesn't. Its name is צור "rock". This anon is right btw, nearly all the Phoenician cities in North Africa were founded by Tyrians.
>It doesn't. Its name is צור "rock"
That's modern Hebrew, not ancient Canaanite. They're like five steps removed and Canaanite doesn't even use vowels, so you have no basis for Sur when it is ALWAYS transliterated as Tyre. You have to change a whole consonant AND you're missing vowels. Meanwhile the Greek Tyros lines right up with what I would expect.
>The Maccabean revolts centered on Jerusalem, a city in the Land of Israel
According to the Historia Augusta, and other Roman accounts, the main stronghold of supposed israelites ends up being Cyrenaica, west of Egypt, not east.
>transliterated as Tyre
It is TRANSLATED as Tyre. Transliteration is different from translation, you absolute fool. Arabs pronounce it as 'tzur'. israelites pronounce it 'tzur'. It is written as 'tzur' in Arabic and Hebrew, and it is written in Phoenician as 'tz-r', meaning that the odds are very high they also pronounced it as 'tzur'.
>Transliteration is a type of conversion of a text from one script to another that involves swapping letters (thus trans- + liter-) in predictable ways
You stupid idiot. You complete moron. Wipe that slobber from your face and adjust your lenses. You could have bothered to look up the definition of transliteration, which absolutely applies here as the alphabets are different and still would apply across languages to recognize cultural differences.
You're saying a retracted "s" (semkat) became a solid "t"? And without any of the vowels lining up?
>Greek: Τύρος
Literally means cheese. Far more likely it was a creamery hub.
And we KNOW the Greeks conquered the region when Tyre was founded.
Maybe this well help: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/158054/what-is-the-difference-between-translation-and-transliteration Please take more ESL classes.
Again, here are the facts:
Phoenician
>𐤑𐤓
Hebrew
>צור
Arabic
>صُور
Simple transliteration for all of the above
>Tzur / Tzor
IPA transliteration for all of the above
>Ṣūr
Common translation
>Tyre (based on the Greek Týros)
>Please take more ESL classes
What part did you have trouble with? The part where you had to be educated on what "transliterate" meant? This is an ESL class now.
Semkat does not become a T. It's an entirely independent letter. You're making a vast leap. In fact the Hebrew is an unattested leap of logic, because you're including a vowel where a diacritic didn't exist. You're not doing etymology. You're making shit up on the fly and no that Wikipedia article is not an assurance for you. The Greek word has a literal meaning and fits with the economic mode of the period.
Notice the independent Tyre period begins with the advent of the Sea Peoples. It was reconstructed by Greeks and corrupted by Assyrian speakers.
>Semkat does not become a T
No one said it did, you moron. The vocalization is 'Tz', or Ṣ.
You're making rules up now. Those two words are not synonymous, and a Greek transliteration would render Semkat as Sigma. You're not even trying to make sense just prancing from one wild speculation to another.
Oh, and the Tyrosians worshiped Herakles. Oh, and the two pillars that are supposed to be sacred to the temple in Jerusalem is literally a plagiarization of the Greek temple. Hence why the first and second temples are always shown with Greek orders and even include two sacred pillars, a Greek tradition that entered into near eastern tradition a millennium after their invasion.
>he's prancing from one wild speculation to another!
>but trust me bro, the phoenicians were basically just greeks and tyre was a big creamery despite its place name having nothing to do with anything of the sort in any near eastern language
>Far more likely it was a creamery hub
LMAO. Literally no evidence supports this, and everything except the Greek is translated as 'rock' or 'rocky place'.
>The part where you had to be educated on what "transliterate" meant? This is an ESL class now.
>You're making a vast leap.
>You're not doing etymology.
I have never seen this much projection. You didn't understand the difference between transliteration and translation because you are a subliterate. That's not my fault. Stop having a tantrum and just accept that you're a moron. You'll have a much easier life.
>what I would expect
What you would expect is based on nothing but half-formed thoughts you've shat out, on topics that you don't understand.
This is literally the name of this city in Phoenician inscriptions. It does lack a mater lectionis, but its absence or presence doesn't change the meaning of the word, it is irrelevant.
>my evidence?
>Semitic supremacist bumpkis
>that's right my 's' turn to 't' magically because that's how Greeks think
>sure I forgot vowels and have no evidence but I have long lines of fellow supremacists and their wild assertions to back me up
You literally think Moses is a historical character. Get out of here.
maybe it was the oposite
What was the opposite?
same god (the only one) so I dont know the problem
The problem is plagiarism. The OT is clearly a late stage plagiarism, and reminiscent of an age old problem.
>its place name having nothing to do with anything of the sort in any near eastern language
Yes. You just accepted this as proof of argument. You literally just BTFO of yourself.
How is that a strawman? I think you're the one with a meltdown. There aren't even three different claims there, there's only one. Maybe you need a break?
You have a serious mental illness and are incapable of advancing your argument with either logic or evidence.
>strawman
>strawman
>strawman
>schizo meltdown
Nice.
>And why does Tyre have a Greek etymology(Tyros)?
It doesn't. Its name is צור "rock". This anon is right btw, nearly all the Phoenician cities in North Africa were founded by Tyrians.
The Maccabean revolts centered on Jerusalem, a city in the Land of Israel, as it was known by the Hebrew peoples who were responsible for them. Your post makes about as much sense as saying water did not exist until it was branded and sold as Dasani.
They benefited the societies they came in contact with thou.
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It’s called linguistic differences between Latin and phonecians moron. The Romans used a transliteration of the name and then called the new one “new carthage.” You might have autism tho.
Language evolves fast.
I am just happy that Ancient Romans rid us of this Semetic pest forever.
you named europe after europa, a Phoenician woman aka basically a Carthaginian woman
> Was it autism?
Nah, just lazyness.
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Cathagena was originally a Tartessian city named Mastia
Good find!
Tiros literally means cheese in ancient Greek. Meanwhile the word you're saying is supposedly Phoenician doesn't line up in any way.
>Was it autism?
Nah it’s kinda cool actually.
𐤒𐤓𐤕 𐤇𐤃𐤔𐤕 (kart chadsht) - New City in Phoenician
קרתא חדשה (karta chadasha) - New Land in Aramaic
קרקע חדשה (karka chadasha) - New Land in Hebrew
Pretty neat.
The phoenician is easily rearable.
I recognize the Ts, the r is also recognizable from the greek rho ans rhe cyrillic r, the sh looks like the cyrillic sh, the d looks like a delta and the k and ch are recognizable feom the translation while the hebrew part looks like gibberish.
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