I had to flash mod mine because the hard drive died, and I miss that sound and feeling every time I use it so much.
i need this to become real
Me too. That's sexy as frick. Unfortunately if it were ever actually made by Apple, they'd probably frick it up by not including a headphone jack.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they'd probably frick it up by not including a headphone jack.
It's ridiculous that Apple made a device smaller and thinner than any of their phones and managed to fit a 30 pin and headphone jack on the same side and yet claim their phones can't possibly fit it, despite their smallest and thinnest phones also having headphone jacks.
nah these days there's online options to just send your design and receive it by mail. as in machining cases. just don't know the tolerances and end price for that kind of design.
display is peanuts, battery. and pcb shouldn't be that hard. you need a CPU for whatever OS, maybe something rockbox compatible, tho I'd like 24/96 on it. DAC and some amplifier front end and that's that. maybe bluetooth or something.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I imagine it'd be so much more expensive though. I might look into it, it would be much nicer.
I'm working on basically exactly this right now. It's just a Pi Zero, a cheap OLED, a click wheel, and a battery in a 3d printed box. For now I'm using an external FiiO DAC, I might build one into it down the line. I think the Pi Zero can do Bluetooth audio but I haven't tried it. You can build Rockbox to run under Linux as an application but I'm writing my own MPD front end instead for the hell of it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you should try experimenting with one chip solutions, or CPU+DAC. no need to go all audiophool on it. pick something with decent specs and should be alright (supposing you properly implement on pcb). I've been thinking starting a PCB project for such a player. but I'm pretty shit with software so I'd just rip off soomething compatible with rockbox. dunno any other player OS and sadly it doesn't do 24bit 96kHz.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm not an audiophile by any means. I hate SMD soldering & I figured anything I can do with through hole (ESP, AVR, etc.) would be too limited, plus I had a spare Pi Zero lying around so it seemed like the best choice for me. The DAC I'm using is just one of the cheap dongle ones FiiO does. If I'd used a full size Pi I'd have just used the headphone jack on the board, but the power draw is so much higher than on the Zero & I'm trying to get as long a battery life as I can out of this thing. There's probably better suited SBCs out there for sure though.
I'm pretty sure Rockbox is the only firmware option, but it doesn't do 24/96 like you say. Linux is complete overkill but at least you've got a lot more software options, and all the basic low-level functions are taken care of for you.
You should definitely go for it with the custom PCB thing. iPods are getting more expensive and parts for them are getting scarcer, I think there's definitely demand for a decent modern replacement.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the pi zero chip is nice bcause it has I2S and you can interface any DAC to it. nothing wrong with linux it's just a massive power draw on what should be a long battery lasting device. pi also doesn't have MCLK I think so you'd need to add a clock as well (for I2S) and slave the pi
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not a hardware guy at all, so I didn't even think of trying to hook up a DAC over anything other than USB. Definitely going to look into I2S, thanks. Seems a little more involved but it'd be so much better to have it built in.
Agreed on wanting the battery lasting as long as possible & Linux being a problem for that. I've got a 10Ah battery out of a power bank so it should still last long enough. It'll be a little chunky, but whatever. I could try porting Rockbox down the line if I'm not happy with the battery life.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
cleaner to run off I2S as a shield. have a look at the ones here, may find some schematics or work out the traces from higher res photos
https://community.volumio.com/t/guide-list-of-i2s-dacs-for-raspberry-pi/1015
PCM5102 is pretty simple to implement. not top specs but pretty decent.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
engee here
I LOOOVE SMD soldering
the initial investment is high, and you'll go through a lot of flux and pcb cleaner solvent
a good hot air work station is costly, I recommend Quick brand, buy the expensive one
but the moment you master it
the surface tension of solder works for you so well
soldering and de soldering is super easy
we're talking about a 10x productivity increase
>selling product >must appeal to the market >appeal to the market's majority taste in order to sell the product >an anon is surprised
what boggles me more is the blur around the cover. this should be a crime punishable by death
let's see a few designs for your "ideal" player. similar to the scroll wheel is cheap as frick on aliexpress like 5-6$.
I found picrel 2.5" screen (same size as ipod classic 6th gen) which is some amoled 450x600 resolution. think this tech should play better with battery? stock ipod classic 6th gen res is 320x240 so this would be a massive upgrade. costs like 23$ a pop.
or maybe ideally design the pcb to fit the aluminium 6th gen classic? tho the display upgrade might not be possible.
if done by Apple would be a fricking shame and be useless for me. I don't care about closed OS. I want to own and use the hardware the way I want it, not the way Apple wants it.
can the latest programming AIs realistically code a OS at this point?
indestructible, god tier ui for the time, superior sound quality, easy to side load games on. still have my zune 30 and zune hd.
Mine forgets what it is if the battery is drained
Does it do flac?
Can you mod more storage and battery life into one?
Ive modded my 5th gen ipod video but I hate that rockbox wont do video, and the normal OS wont do flac.
Zune max storage is firmware locked to 128gb, so basically no. And good luck stuffing a battery in there
Does it do flac?
Can you mod more storage and battery life into one?
Ive modded my 5th gen ipod video but I hate that rockbox wont do video, and the normal OS wont do flac.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They did WMA lossless, not flac.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
not sure about flac but yes to the other two mods
LMAO zunetards really shilling this crap without flac support
>2009 MP3 player has higher capacity than most flagship phones do TODAY
I know how they did it, why the frick did they stop doing it?
Because hard drives have a hard limit in terms of physical size. Those tiny micrdrives on the iPod mini were never going to get to 160gb. Flash storage really is the way, but is still considerably expensive to this day, and the israelites at apple and samsung, google etc removed expandable sd slots so they can nickle and dime us
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the israelites at apple and samsung, google etc removed expandable sd slots so they can nickle and dime us
Im loath to defend the phone manufacturers since they have been fricking everything up for the last decade but the reason they removed micro sd card slots is because moronic nomalgays and especially third worlders keep buying $3 "1tb" micro sd cards from chink scammers and then complaining that their phones are slow as shit and all their pictures disappear. It's the only thing phone manufacturers have removed that is actually justified because brown people just love to buy fake sd cards and nobody can stop them
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If that was true then we'd all be stuck using Chromebooks and whatever the most moron proof tech is out rn. I'm not inclined to agree that its because of 3rd worlders with a fetish for getting scammed off temu/ali express we don't have sd cards anymore...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
your reply doesn't follow at all smartphones are the most moron proof tech, because they are made for morons third worlders don't own computers.
microsoft didn't really market it at all, and they totally fricked up app support on it. plus "ipod vs everything" else was the "blue vs green bubble" of the mid 2000s so normies and kids were conditioned into not accepting anything else regardless
>fixed battery
actually its dogshit
mp3 player should use standard size rechargeable batteries and have the ability to detect battery chemistry and how to rechardge them if you want to be taken seriously.
also LOL that fricking 30 pin connector bullshit
im just salty mine got to the stage where the connector is worn out you have to hold it in and the battery holds so little charge it takes 20 minuts just to turn on
lets be real the only 'good' thing about it was how many songs it stored
I used an iPod Classic until like 2018. Got a FiiO player and have loved it. Only problem is that when you're playing music through bluetooth there can be audio hiccups which is just unacceptable. Pretty wild that iPod Classic is still number 1 after all these years. Wish I'd never sold mine.
I still have one of those in a drawer. Since the battery went bust never touched it again. Are those chink batteries any good? Or will they explode in your pocket? Well, the original didn't last for very long before it ballooned, was kinda scary.
Any particular place to get a battery or they are all the same and any Aliexpress chink will do?
Has anyone use those Chinese knockoffs, and how do they fare?
Really, having a phone, all I want is a media player that has an iPod style interface. The wheel and readout and such.
Seriously though, what does g recommend as a plain MP3 player. Has to have USB-C charging and decent battery life, I'm not too fussed about anything else.
Seems impossible to find. Everything is either ancient micro-USB crap, or a glorified Android device with 20 minutes battery life, or placebo tier audiophile crap for $200+
Threre is nothing wrong with micro SD (don't buy the 1TB). Forget everything youtubers have ever told you. They get paid to have fake controversial opinions.
>Seriously though, what does g recommend as a plain MP3 player. Has to have USB-C charging and decent battery life, I'm not too fussed about anything else.
Shanling m0 pro
Hiby r3 gen II
>I said no audiophile shit
You said no $200 audiophile shit
Neither of those are $200, both are the least shitty options and have volume knobs and physical play/pause and << >> buttons, the hiby has 20 hours of battery life, is reasonably small, doesn't run android and works pretty well.
Nobody else buys portable music players anymore because everyone uses wireless shit with their cellphones, so the remaining brands cater to the only buyers left in the market which is people who care about audio quality and want to use wired headphones.
>I said no audiophile shit
You said no $200 audiophile shit
Neither of those are $200, both are the least shitty options and have volume knobs and physical play/pause and << >> buttons, the hiby has 20 hours of battery life, is reasonably small, doesn't run android and works pretty well.
Nobody else buys portable music players anymore because everyone uses wireless shit with their cellphones, so the remaining brands cater to the only buyers left in the market which is people who care about audio quality and want to use wired headphones.
Disregard this i suck wieners, the hiby is big, i guess they discontinued their smaller player
Buy used ipod 5.5 plus a replacement battery and the adapter that lets you replace the hdd with an sd card
Or buy a refurbished ipod from eoe
https://eoe.works/collections/apple-ipod-video-5th-5-5-enhanced/products/new-apple-ipod-video-classic-5th-5-5-enhanced-black-black-black?variant=34563472916617
Or don't buy old obsolete technology
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have the iPod. Pricey is the mod kit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh then frick the usb c adapter and just get a battery and sd adapter from eoe
Just make sure you get the right combination of adapter and battery for the model you have, some fit the thing backplate models, some fit the thicker ones. They also have cheap replacement 30 pin cables so you can grab one if you don't have any
https://eoe.works/collections/ipod-classic-6th-7th-generation-replacement-parts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>shipping cost
fml
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just buy a 30 dollar AGPTEK media player and stick a sdcard in it you dont need retro apple branding for mp3s/radio
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you dont need retro apple branding
This iPod is the only Apple device I have ever owned. I just like using it.
But thanks for the suggestion.
You can physically make a superior music player from scratch and digitally download the best software to it for less than 100$. Why would you want some shitty proprietary hardware device?
almost all hardware is proprietary, including DACs. you could maybe make an "open" R2R DAC but 8 or 10bit max.
https://www.tek.com/en/blog/tutorial-digital-analog-conversion-r-2r-dac
I'd like to make a custom MP3 player, but I'd like something with a little more personality to the design than just a brick with a wheel and a display, but anything I can think of only makes it less convenient.
>Something using this could be cool, although you'd probably have to find a way to make it less thick: >https://github.com/scottbez1/smartknob
That is cool, but the problem isn't just the thickness, but I think the knob would get in the way of stuffing into a pocket. It'd need a way to disable it so you don't accidentally crank-up the volume by walking or shifting in your seat.
>If you're into wireless headphones/earbuds, maybe go for a wearable form factor, like a smartwatch or something
I've also been thinking about making a smartwatch, but the amount of crap I'd like to cram into it would probably hurt the battery life and storage space to the point I'd rather just have a separate device.
>Or maybe just build something without a regular display at all?
I do like the idea of adding voice recognition, so it'd just play the name of the song I ask for, but if I'm out in public and it's not working, I don't want to be seen shouting "I glued my balls to my butthole again" because that's the only way I can get it to play.
I think we'd need to settle on hardware first (pcb). once that's set you can think about case design.
side buttons for power/volume can be borrowed from phone parts that are out there. if you're going with custom aluminium case design. but that's the last step of the design. we need a CPU chip, a DAC chip, some power management, storage, display control, and software which could be rockbox or at least part of it. once everything is working as electronics then you can fit them in various case designs or whatever.
>I think we'd need to settle on hardware first (pcb). once that's set you can think about case design.
I already know I don't want the case to be too much bigger compared to a typical iPod, simply because I'd still like the thing to be able to fit in my pocket. (Unless I can find another way to comfortably lug it around)
>It'd need a way to disable it
You'd just have a hold switch same as on iPods.
>I've also been thinking about making a smartwatch, but the amount of crap I'd like to cram into it would probably hurt the battery life and storage space to the point I'd rather just have a separate device.
You could always go in a slightly more Pip-Boy-esque direction rather than building a watch exactly. Not necessarily so horrifically bulky, but maybe something around the size of a Raspberry Pi, kinda like picrel.
>I do like the idea of adding voice recognition, so it'd just play the name of the song I ask for, but if I'm out in public and it's not working, I don't want to be seen shouting "I glued my balls to my butthole again" because that's the only way I can get it to play.
I feel like voice recognition would be awkward as frick in general in any public place. But going complete displayless I think is worth exploring. Maybe have the whole front of the device be a capacitative touch input surface and use a haptic motor for feedback?
To a certain extent I think a brick with a wheel and a display is probably inevitable without building something kinda gimmicky. The wheel is such a great input method for something like this, and the minimalism of it being the only input on the face of the device is a great design.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You'd just have a hold switch same as on iPods.
Oh, right.
>You could always go in a slightly more Pip-Boy-esque direction rather than building a watch exactly.
I was already working my way towards that. I haven't even made it yet and I'm struggling with getting it down to something smaller than a credit card, because I'm trying to cram-in a bunch of features you don't typically find in a smartwatch.
>I feel like voice recognition would be awkward as frick in general in any public place.
Yes, but it'd be convenient at home. I could say "Alexa play Despacito" and I'd at least know the thing is in earshot if the song starts playing.
>But going complete displayless I think is worth exploring. Maybe have the whole front of the device be a capacitative touch input surface and use a haptic motor for feedback?
How will I know what songs I'm selecting? A big part of why I want this is because I want to decentralize and not have everything saved on my computer. (And maybe even go back to watching videos on a TV)
>To a certain extent I think a brick with a wheel and a display is probably inevitable without building something kinda gimmicky. The wheel is such a great input method for something like this, and the minimalism of it being the only input on the face of the device is a great design.
Yeah, I know. And the brick-like formfactor also works so well because all the internal components are just as boxy. I could design something cylindrical around that 32mm knob suggestion, but a pill bottle-shaped mp3 player would largely be a waste of space inside and be weird to keep in a pocket.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I was already working my way towards that. I haven't even made it yet and I'm struggling with getting it down to something smaller than a credit card, because I'm trying to cram-in a bunch of features you don't typically find in a smartwatch.
I feel like it doesn't need to be smaller than a credit card though to be honest. You could go iPod size or maybe even a little bigger than that before it becomes unwieldy.
>Yes, but it'd be convenient at home. I could say "Alexa play Despacito" and I'd at least know the thing is in earshot if the song starts playing.
Sure, but that's better suited to a larger, non-portable device with speakers and mains power rather than a battery.
>How will I know what songs I'm selecting?
You wouldn't at all, you'd be making a fancy iPod Shuffle. It's just interesting to try and come up with something that isn't just a brick with a screen and a wheel like you say, even if any such suggestion is inherently much less practical. It's definitely something that has its place, I don't always want to listen to something specific, and with streaming services and tailor made playlists it'd probably actually be much more practical today than it was when iPod Shuffles were an actual product you could buy.
>A big part of why I want this is because I want to decentralize and not have everything saved on my computer.
I'm in a similar boat--I'm trying to not just use my phone & computer for everything--but I don't think centralisation is all that bad inherently. I'm still using a NAS to store everything, then streaming or copying from it as necessary.
>I could design something cylindrical around that 32mm knob suggestion, but a pill bottle-shaped mp3 player would largely be a waste of space inside and be weird to keep in a pocket.
You could have a round PCB or two underneath the knob, parallel to the top of it, containing the CPU/DAC/etc. It should be possible to produce something more hockey puck than pill bottle.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I feel like it doesn't need to be smaller than a credit card though to be honest.
I was talking about my smartwatch. And now that I look through the features I was planning for the smartwatch, the only thing the MP3 player would have that it doesn't is USB-C and a 3.5mm jack. The main concern is still storage space.
>Sure, but that's better suited to a larger, non-portable device with speakers and mains power rather than a battery.
I don't really see the point in having another device. I was making the MP3 player in hopes that I could have enough storage capacity I wouldn't need to use my desktop. Getting another audio player in addition to that just seems redundant.
>I'm in a similar boat--I'm trying to not just use my phone & computer for everything--but I don't think centralisation is all that bad inherently. I'm still using a NAS to store everything, then streaming or copying from it as necessary.
Not me. I don't stream if I can help it. I want to disconnect as much stuff as I can from the internet.
>It should be possible to produce something more hockey puck than pill bottle.
A lot of the internals would still be wasted space.
I think we'd need to settle on hardware first (pcb). once that's set you can think about case design.
side buttons for power/volume can be borrowed from phone parts that are out there. if you're going with custom aluminium case design. but that's the last step of the design. we need a CPU chip, a DAC chip, some power management, storage, display control, and software which could be rockbox or at least part of it. once everything is working as electronics then you can fit them in various case designs or whatever.
>"hey i just got this new ipod, what do you want to listen to?" >"how about some warren zevon?" >scrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscrollscroll
it's very easy to do, just solder two pads from the taptic engine to where the piezo speaker would go near the audio jack. I did it on my 6th gen with one from an iphone x. got annoying after a week and i took it off.
Maybe I am too much of a tech utilitarian but bros what the frick is the point of this aside from clutter. Ipods were cool and had some good designs, but the price of a music player could just go into more storage for your phone. It just reeks of tech fetishism.
My iPod is from 2008, I bought it on a once-in-a-lifetime trip and have been using it since. It does its job well enough and reminds me of the times when I was young and careless.
Phones rarely have headphone output these days and their storage is more limited. Add to this the fact that they don't WHIRR in your hand when changing songs.
I keep my iPod in the office, for portable listening I just use NewPipe with Bluetooth headphones and pretend that the triple compressed and bass boosted crap I'm hearing is anything like the real song.
yeah I get this but its entirely aesthetic reasons. This is valid in itself, but it conflicts with the anti-bloat narrative I often see with ipods. I'm glad it connects you to a better time and gives you good vibes but it seems like cope to go out of your way to buy one if you already have a smart phone.
It's too big though.
The 2010 one was amazing. I used to jog and powerwalk to high school with that thing and it was like a shuffle, nearly weightless.
As soon as touch screens emerged I was happier with music players.
The clickwheels used to break easier than the screens and were harder to navigate with.
ipod was the first and last time I ever bought an apple product. I hated how I couldn't just set up music in a sensible folder structure on my own, instead having to frick around with a million tags. All because apple's moronic file structure doesn't allow you to just drag and drop files onto the storage. No, gotta use the tags, gotta use itunes, frick you.
frick it, I am getting one of those ruizu / agptek shits, spent like three days looking for something and its either that or a 1000 USD memephile grade chinese thing that still get bad reviews
I got one for Christmas when I was 20. It lasted three months before it died on me. It fell two feet from my pocket to the pavement while I was getting something out of my car.
I got a Zune the next Christmas. It's still working 16 years later.
That's not ncmpcpp with mpd
Agreed, although I prefer the 4th gen model with the monochrome screen
Desktop software != portable hardware
>the faint humming and whirring as the hard drive disks spin up
it doesn't get more comfy than this
to me it sounds like its saying
>"b-durr..."
I had to flash mod mine because the hard drive died, and I miss that sound and feeling every time I use it so much.
Me too. That's sexy as frick. Unfortunately if it were ever actually made by Apple, they'd probably frick it up by not including a headphone jack.
>they'd probably frick it up by not including a headphone jack.
It's ridiculous that Apple made a device smaller and thinner than any of their phones and managed to fit a 30 pin and headphone jack on the same side and yet claim their phones can't possibly fit it, despite their smallest and thinnest phones also having headphone jacks.
>It's about depth, not width
t. my wife
You can see all the dead skin cells and crud that has collected around the button ring. How do you get that crap out of there?
1. you clean it
2. you stop being a disgusting homosexual
Seriously, mine has never gotten to that stage, what the frick is OP doing with that thing
>How do you get that crap out of there?
opening it? lmao
i need this to become real
SEXOOOOOOOOO
nice.
want
that should theoretically be diy-able these days. dunno how much would machining the case cost, but the rest are pretty simple by today's standards.
If you're DIYing it and can't machine it yourself, just 3D print it
nah these days there's online options to just send your design and receive it by mail. as in machining cases. just don't know the tolerances and end price for that kind of design.
display is peanuts, battery. and pcb shouldn't be that hard. you need a CPU for whatever OS, maybe something rockbox compatible, tho I'd like 24/96 on it. DAC and some amplifier front end and that's that. maybe bluetooth or something.
I imagine it'd be so much more expensive though. I might look into it, it would be much nicer.
I'm working on basically exactly this right now. It's just a Pi Zero, a cheap OLED, a click wheel, and a battery in a 3d printed box. For now I'm using an external FiiO DAC, I might build one into it down the line. I think the Pi Zero can do Bluetooth audio but I haven't tried it. You can build Rockbox to run under Linux as an application but I'm writing my own MPD front end instead for the hell of it.
you should try experimenting with one chip solutions, or CPU+DAC. no need to go all audiophool on it. pick something with decent specs and should be alright (supposing you properly implement on pcb). I've been thinking starting a PCB project for such a player. but I'm pretty shit with software so I'd just rip off soomething compatible with rockbox. dunno any other player OS and sadly it doesn't do 24bit 96kHz.
Yeah I'm not an audiophile by any means. I hate SMD soldering & I figured anything I can do with through hole (ESP, AVR, etc.) would be too limited, plus I had a spare Pi Zero lying around so it seemed like the best choice for me. The DAC I'm using is just one of the cheap dongle ones FiiO does. If I'd used a full size Pi I'd have just used the headphone jack on the board, but the power draw is so much higher than on the Zero & I'm trying to get as long a battery life as I can out of this thing. There's probably better suited SBCs out there for sure though.
I'm pretty sure Rockbox is the only firmware option, but it doesn't do 24/96 like you say. Linux is complete overkill but at least you've got a lot more software options, and all the basic low-level functions are taken care of for you.
You should definitely go for it with the custom PCB thing. iPods are getting more expensive and parts for them are getting scarcer, I think there's definitely demand for a decent modern replacement.
the pi zero chip is nice bcause it has I2S and you can interface any DAC to it. nothing wrong with linux it's just a massive power draw on what should be a long battery lasting device. pi also doesn't have MCLK I think so you'd need to add a clock as well (for I2S) and slave the pi
I'm not a hardware guy at all, so I didn't even think of trying to hook up a DAC over anything other than USB. Definitely going to look into I2S, thanks. Seems a little more involved but it'd be so much better to have it built in.
Agreed on wanting the battery lasting as long as possible & Linux being a problem for that. I've got a 10Ah battery out of a power bank so it should still last long enough. It'll be a little chunky, but whatever. I could try porting Rockbox down the line if I'm not happy with the battery life.
cleaner to run off I2S as a shield. have a look at the ones here, may find some schematics or work out the traces from higher res photos
https://community.volumio.com/t/guide-list-of-i2s-dacs-for-raspberry-pi/1015
PCM5102 is pretty simple to implement. not top specs but pretty decent.
engee here
I LOOOVE SMD soldering
the initial investment is high, and you'll go through a lot of flux and pcb cleaner solvent
a good hot air work station is costly, I recommend Quick brand, buy the expensive one
but the moment you master it
the surface tension of solder works for you so well
soldering and de soldering is super easy
we're talking about a 10x productivity increase
>make cool mockup of imaginary device
>can pick LITERALLY ANYTHING to show as the song onscreen
>choose generic Black person beats number 323423451
Black folk aren't welcome here
Yes they are.
Stop saying "le"
I look and say that
>implying hatred for non-whites is some illogical thing and not based on years of observation
>brown
>person
does not compute
>selling product
>must appeal to the market
>appeal to the market's majority taste in order to sell the product
>an anon is surprised
what boggles me more is the blur around the cover. this should be a crime punishable by death
I hadn't even noticed that blur. That's fricking hideous.
Nice mockup.
But 5g is overkill and expect very poor battery life.
diable all internet communication abilities first.
let's see a few designs for your "ideal" player. similar to the scroll wheel is cheap as frick on aliexpress like 5-6$.
I found picrel 2.5" screen (same size as ipod classic 6th gen) which is some amoled 450x600 resolution. think this tech should play better with battery? stock ipod classic 6th gen res is 320x240 so this would be a massive upgrade. costs like 23$ a pop.
or maybe ideally design the pcb to fit the aluminium 6th gen classic? tho the display upgrade might not be possible.
me
forgot picrel
if done by Apple would be a fricking shame and be useless for me. I don't care about closed OS. I want to own and use the hardware the way I want it, not the way Apple wants it.
can the latest programming AIs realistically code a OS at this point?
cooool
do you own one?
Anon, I..
No
Facts
Mine forgets what it is if the battery is drained
Zune max storage is firmware locked to 128gb, so basically no. And good luck stuffing a battery in there
what bluetooth adapter is that?
Kokkia
thank you, that little shit is expensive.
i want it.
>blocks your path
There's a small part of me that always wants to go buy one of those on eBay anytime I see them, despite already having a dozen iPods.
Redpill me on them, what makes them that much better?
indestructible, god tier ui for the time, superior sound quality, easy to side load games on. still have my zune 30 and zune hd.
Does it do flac?
Can you mod more storage and battery life into one?
Ive modded my 5th gen ipod video but I hate that rockbox wont do video, and the normal OS wont do flac.
They did WMA lossless, not flac.
LMAO zunetards really shilling this crap without flac support
Because hard drives have a hard limit in terms of physical size. Those tiny micrdrives on the iPod mini were never going to get to 160gb. Flash storage really is the way, but is still considerably expensive to this day, and the israelites at apple and samsung, google etc removed expandable sd slots so they can nickle and dime us
>the israelites at apple and samsung, google etc removed expandable sd slots so they can nickle and dime us
Im loath to defend the phone manufacturers since they have been fricking everything up for the last decade but the reason they removed micro sd card slots is because moronic nomalgays and especially third worlders keep buying $3 "1tb" micro sd cards from chink scammers and then complaining that their phones are slow as shit and all their pictures disappear. It's the only thing phone manufacturers have removed that is actually justified because brown people just love to buy fake sd cards and nobody can stop them
If that was true then we'd all be stuck using Chromebooks and whatever the most moron proof tech is out rn. I'm not inclined to agree that its because of 3rd worlders with a fetish for getting scammed off temu/ali express we don't have sd cards anymore...
your reply doesn't follow at all smartphones are the most moron proof tech, because they are made for morons third worlders don't own computers.
not sure about flac but yes to the other two mods
Why it failed though?
microsoft didn't really market it at all, and they totally fricked up app support on it. plus "ipod vs everything" else was the "blue vs green bubble" of the mid 2000s so normies and kids were conditioned into not accepting anything else regardless
yuck
electronic trash
ugly product design
the name of bill gates brings a frown unto people's face
it offers not much else
and it's UGLY
>fixed battery
actually its dogshit
mp3 player should use standard size rechargeable batteries and have the ability to detect battery chemistry and how to rechardge them if you want to be taken seriously.
also LOL that fricking 30 pin connector bullshit
im just salty mine got to the stage where the connector is worn out you have to hold it in and the battery holds so little charge it takes 20 minuts just to turn on
lets be real the only 'good' thing about it was how many songs it stored
just install a new bigger battery and an usb c port if you need it that much
was surpassed the second it released
>unsurpassed
For me, it's the Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox.
I used an iPod Classic until like 2018. Got a FiiO player and have loved it. Only problem is that when you're playing music through bluetooth there can be audio hiccups which is just unacceptable. Pretty wild that iPod Classic is still number 1 after all these years. Wish I'd never sold mine.
autism and Kicad is a match made in heaven
I still have one but it only holds 20gb, crap battery, and no Bluetooth
buy a bigger battery and an sd card mod
>the unsurpassed music player
Wrong
i miss google play music so much
>I miss corporate_product so much
I have a moto x4. What model is this, because I had to examine it to see the difference.
moto g5
Thx
I entered this thread because I knew I'll find you G5 anon. God bless you.
I still have one of those in a drawer. Since the battery went bust never touched it again. Are those chink batteries any good? Or will they explode in your pocket? Well, the original didn't last for very long before it ballooned, was kinda scary.
Any particular place to get a battery or they are all the same and any Aliexpress chink will do?
is there a music player that has cellular internet and can connect to your home music server?
your mobile phone
The 5th gen iPod is so based
>translucent case
C O M F Y
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Its dogshit, every 5th gen we've owned freaks out with ALACs, even after I use the built in "convert to apple lossless" on itunes/apple music
I put rockbox and mine is alright with FLAC files, but gets angry with 24 bit/really large files,
I'll assume it's running out of ram lol
Too mainstream, even roastie tubers are getting in on the meme
Time to dump your iPods, it's fricking over
the ipod meme was around 2021 or so, i member some aussie made them popular for a while.
Dankpods?
That's the wrong pic, let me correct you.
got something similar and found some old music on it. wild times
shoo-shoo itoddlers
Has anyone use those Chinese knockoffs, and how do they fare?
Really, having a phone, all I want is a media player that has an iPod style interface. The wheel and readout and such.
A quick web search says otherwise.
>no dsd support
I used to own a Creative ZEN Vision:M which shits on any player apple sheeple think is the shit.
I'll stick to using my phone
Anything decent-ish i can buy today for around 100?
Seriously though, what does g recommend as a plain MP3 player. Has to have USB-C charging and decent battery life, I'm not too fussed about anything else.
Seems impossible to find. Everything is either ancient micro-USB crap, or a glorified Android device with 20 minutes battery life, or placebo tier audiophile crap for $200+
>micro SD CRAP!!
Threre is nothing wrong with micro SD (don't buy the 1TB). Forget everything youtubers have ever told you. They get paid to have fake controversial opinions.
What's this about? It's a third time in two days I've seen someone shit talk SD cards. What YouTuber are they parroting?
Nobody mentioned SD cards, it was micro USB they were complaining about, and rightfully so
Oh, you're right. I just read the reply.
I guess I've only seen two people complaining about micro SDs.
>Seriously though, what does g recommend as a plain MP3 player. Has to have USB-C charging and decent battery life, I'm not too fussed about anything else.
Shanling m0 pro
Hiby r3 gen II
I said no audiophile shit
>I said no audiophile shit
You said no $200 audiophile shit
Neither of those are $200, both are the least shitty options and have volume knobs and physical play/pause and << >> buttons, the hiby has 20 hours of battery life, is reasonably small, doesn't run android and works pretty well.
Nobody else buys portable music players anymore because everyone uses wireless shit with their cellphones, so the remaining brands cater to the only buyers left in the market which is people who care about audio quality and want to use wired headphones.
Disregard this i suck wieners, the hiby is big, i guess they discontinued their smaller player
iPod classic with expanded battery + oxyl mods usb c
>from Canada
Any alternatives? Seems pricey.
Buy used ipod 5.5 plus a replacement battery and the adapter that lets you replace the hdd with an sd card
Or buy a refurbished ipod from eoe
https://eoe.works/collections/apple-ipod-video-5th-5-5-enhanced/products/new-apple-ipod-video-classic-5th-5-5-enhanced-black-black-black?variant=34563472916617
Or don't buy old obsolete technology
I have the iPod. Pricey is the mod kit.
Oh then frick the usb c adapter and just get a battery and sd adapter from eoe
Just make sure you get the right combination of adapter and battery for the model you have, some fit the thing backplate models, some fit the thicker ones. They also have cheap replacement 30 pin cables so you can grab one if you don't have any
https://eoe.works/collections/ipod-classic-6th-7th-generation-replacement-parts
>shipping cost
fml
Just buy a 30 dollar AGPTEK media player and stick a sdcard in it you dont need retro apple branding for mp3s/radio
>you dont need retro apple branding
This iPod is the only Apple device I have ever owned. I just like using it.
But thanks for the suggestion.
I have one and recently tried to play music on it, and was surprised by how music sounds so.... dogshit on it. kys nostalgiagay
That's not a WM1A
>2009 MP3 player has higher capacity than most flagship phones do TODAY
I know how they did it, why the frick did they stop doing it?
This doesn't look like a Rockbox'd Sansa Clip+...
I had one of these and the buttons kept breaking one by one. I was so upset.
>Xduoo X2S
You can physically make a superior music player from scratch and digitally download the best software to it for less than 100$. Why would you want some shitty proprietary hardware device?
almost all hardware is proprietary, including DACs. you could maybe make an "open" R2R DAC but 8 or 10bit max.
https://www.tek.com/en/blog/tutorial-digital-analog-conversion-r-2r-dac
>you could maybe make an "open" R2R DAC but 8 or 10bit max.
Let me guess, you need more.
Best served with Rockbox!
>sync your library with our dumb slow software please goy
No thanks I'd rather copy and paste and delete the folders I want
actually a full ipod classic 6th gen metal case set is some 20$ with shipping with wheel included lol wat
are there schematics for any player supported by rockbox?
>humiliation ritual
Umm, no? It's surprisingly well designed, a product of someone's love for WMP.
I'd like to make a custom MP3 player, but I'd like something with a little more personality to the design than just a brick with a wheel and a display, but anything I can think of only makes it less convenient.
Something using this could be cool, although you'd probably have to find a way to make it less thick:
https://github.com/scottbez1/smartknob
If you're into wireless headphones/earbuds, maybe go for a wearable form factor, like a smartwatch or something
Or maybe just build something without a regular display at all?
>Something using this could be cool, although you'd probably have to find a way to make it less thick:
>https://github.com/scottbez1/smartknob
That is cool, but the problem isn't just the thickness, but I think the knob would get in the way of stuffing into a pocket. It'd need a way to disable it so you don't accidentally crank-up the volume by walking or shifting in your seat.
>If you're into wireless headphones/earbuds, maybe go for a wearable form factor, like a smartwatch or something
I've also been thinking about making a smartwatch, but the amount of crap I'd like to cram into it would probably hurt the battery life and storage space to the point I'd rather just have a separate device.
>Or maybe just build something without a regular display at all?
I do like the idea of adding voice recognition, so it'd just play the name of the song I ask for, but if I'm out in public and it's not working, I don't want to be seen shouting "I glued my balls to my butthole again" because that's the only way I can get it to play.
>I think we'd need to settle on hardware first (pcb). once that's set you can think about case design.
I already know I don't want the case to be too much bigger compared to a typical iPod, simply because I'd still like the thing to be able to fit in my pocket. (Unless I can find another way to comfortably lug it around)
>It'd need a way to disable it
You'd just have a hold switch same as on iPods.
>I've also been thinking about making a smartwatch, but the amount of crap I'd like to cram into it would probably hurt the battery life and storage space to the point I'd rather just have a separate device.
You could always go in a slightly more Pip-Boy-esque direction rather than building a watch exactly. Not necessarily so horrifically bulky, but maybe something around the size of a Raspberry Pi, kinda like picrel.
>I do like the idea of adding voice recognition, so it'd just play the name of the song I ask for, but if I'm out in public and it's not working, I don't want to be seen shouting "I glued my balls to my butthole again" because that's the only way I can get it to play.
I feel like voice recognition would be awkward as frick in general in any public place. But going complete displayless I think is worth exploring. Maybe have the whole front of the device be a capacitative touch input surface and use a haptic motor for feedback?
To a certain extent I think a brick with a wheel and a display is probably inevitable without building something kinda gimmicky. The wheel is such a great input method for something like this, and the minimalism of it being the only input on the face of the device is a great design.
>You'd just have a hold switch same as on iPods.
Oh, right.
>You could always go in a slightly more Pip-Boy-esque direction rather than building a watch exactly.
I was already working my way towards that. I haven't even made it yet and I'm struggling with getting it down to something smaller than a credit card, because I'm trying to cram-in a bunch of features you don't typically find in a smartwatch.
>I feel like voice recognition would be awkward as frick in general in any public place.
Yes, but it'd be convenient at home. I could say "Alexa play Despacito" and I'd at least know the thing is in earshot if the song starts playing.
>But going complete displayless I think is worth exploring. Maybe have the whole front of the device be a capacitative touch input surface and use a haptic motor for feedback?
How will I know what songs I'm selecting? A big part of why I want this is because I want to decentralize and not have everything saved on my computer. (And maybe even go back to watching videos on a TV)
>To a certain extent I think a brick with a wheel and a display is probably inevitable without building something kinda gimmicky. The wheel is such a great input method for something like this, and the minimalism of it being the only input on the face of the device is a great design.
Yeah, I know. And the brick-like formfactor also works so well because all the internal components are just as boxy. I could design something cylindrical around that 32mm knob suggestion, but a pill bottle-shaped mp3 player would largely be a waste of space inside and be weird to keep in a pocket.
>I was already working my way towards that. I haven't even made it yet and I'm struggling with getting it down to something smaller than a credit card, because I'm trying to cram-in a bunch of features you don't typically find in a smartwatch.
I feel like it doesn't need to be smaller than a credit card though to be honest. You could go iPod size or maybe even a little bigger than that before it becomes unwieldy.
>Yes, but it'd be convenient at home. I could say "Alexa play Despacito" and I'd at least know the thing is in earshot if the song starts playing.
Sure, but that's better suited to a larger, non-portable device with speakers and mains power rather than a battery.
>How will I know what songs I'm selecting?
You wouldn't at all, you'd be making a fancy iPod Shuffle. It's just interesting to try and come up with something that isn't just a brick with a screen and a wheel like you say, even if any such suggestion is inherently much less practical. It's definitely something that has its place, I don't always want to listen to something specific, and with streaming services and tailor made playlists it'd probably actually be much more practical today than it was when iPod Shuffles were an actual product you could buy.
>A big part of why I want this is because I want to decentralize and not have everything saved on my computer.
I'm in a similar boat--I'm trying to not just use my phone & computer for everything--but I don't think centralisation is all that bad inherently. I'm still using a NAS to store everything, then streaming or copying from it as necessary.
>I could design something cylindrical around that 32mm knob suggestion, but a pill bottle-shaped mp3 player would largely be a waste of space inside and be weird to keep in a pocket.
You could have a round PCB or two underneath the knob, parallel to the top of it, containing the CPU/DAC/etc. It should be possible to produce something more hockey puck than pill bottle.
>I feel like it doesn't need to be smaller than a credit card though to be honest.
I was talking about my smartwatch. And now that I look through the features I was planning for the smartwatch, the only thing the MP3 player would have that it doesn't is USB-C and a 3.5mm jack. The main concern is still storage space.
>Sure, but that's better suited to a larger, non-portable device with speakers and mains power rather than a battery.
I don't really see the point in having another device. I was making the MP3 player in hopes that I could have enough storage capacity I wouldn't need to use my desktop. Getting another audio player in addition to that just seems redundant.
>I'm in a similar boat--I'm trying to not just use my phone & computer for everything--but I don't think centralisation is all that bad inherently. I'm still using a NAS to store everything, then streaming or copying from it as necessary.
Not me. I don't stream if I can help it. I want to disconnect as much stuff as I can from the internet.
>It should be possible to produce something more hockey puck than pill bottle.
A lot of the internals would still be wasted space.
I think we'd need to settle on hardware first (pcb). once that's set you can think about case design.
side buttons for power/volume can be borrowed from phone parts that are out there. if you're going with custom aluminium case design. but that's the last step of the design. we need a CPU chip, a DAC chip, some power management, storage, display control, and software which could be rockbox or at least part of it. once everything is working as electronics then you can fit them in various case designs or whatever.
>"hey i just got this new ipod, what do you want to listen to?"
>"how about some warren zevon?"
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I want to try the taptic engine mod but never get around to it. Pretty sure I've got a couple of them lying around
I recovered one from some iphone 7 or something. also found some pads to connect to it. do I drive it with AC sine or square signal or what
There's a YouTube video that shows how, iirc you just replace the Piezo with it
ah so some audio click signal then. ye that should work.
it's very easy to do, just solder two pads from the taptic engine to where the piezo speaker would go near the audio jack. I did it on my 6th gen with one from an iphone x. got annoying after a week and i took it off.
Maybe I am too much of a tech utilitarian but bros what the frick is the point of this aside from clutter. Ipods were cool and had some good designs, but the price of a music player could just go into more storage for your phone. It just reeks of tech fetishism.
My iPod is from 2008, I bought it on a once-in-a-lifetime trip and have been using it since. It does its job well enough and reminds me of the times when I was young and careless.
Phones rarely have headphone output these days and their storage is more limited. Add to this the fact that they don't WHIRR in your hand when changing songs.
I keep my iPod in the office, for portable listening I just use NewPipe with Bluetooth headphones and pretend that the triple compressed and bass boosted crap I'm hearing is anything like the real song.
yeah I get this but its entirely aesthetic reasons. This is valid in itself, but it conflicts with the anti-bloat narrative I often see with ipods. I'm glad it connects you to a better time and gives you good vibes but it seems like cope to go out of your way to buy one if you already have a smart phone.
its been surpassed by a single app on these babies just like the digital camera and the pda. stop living in the past
frick your soulless shit device
>frick your soulless shit device
it's just I'm not carrying a spying device that I also need to baby or else I'm paying for its repair. like what
beyond bloat
Thoughts on the Nano?
i love the nano. (2012)
still use it from time to time
It's too big though.
The 2010 one was amazing. I used to jog and powerwalk to high school with that thing and it was like a shuffle, nearly weightless.
2010+ was ok.
The rest were garbage.
As soon as touch screens emerged I was happier with music players.
The clickwheels used to break easier than the screens and were harder to navigate with.
>iTunes was also pure cancer
the 2012 is excellent, the small form factor is great for small form factor stuff
ipod was the first and last time I ever bought an apple product. I hated how I couldn't just set up music in a sensible folder structure on my own, instead having to frick around with a million tags. All because apple's moronic file structure doesn't allow you to just drag and drop files onto the storage. No, gotta use the tags, gotta use itunes, frick you.
My 80GB one lasted less than a year back in 2010.
Awful. Just awful.
They'd bug all the time.
frick it, I am getting one of those ruizu / agptek shits, spent like three days looking for something and its either that or a 1000 USD memephile grade chinese thing that still get bad reviews
>opus --vbr-96 --music --fullband
>avif artwork in 300x300
>Foldplay for navigation
this meets all my needs. level 2 autism quite suffice
3rd gen is best gen
if it plays sounds, it's already good enough.
do audio pedophiles really?
holy frick I am not falling for this, just keep using your phone boys, maybe get decent iems/ headphones but that's it. don't fall for this.
audiopedophiles are delusional.
>Entirely incorrect
are you a moron?
yes
maybe i am, what's it to you
But I have a hi-fi setup that blows this out of the water
No you don't
>t.
i miss my old ipod shuffle, man, where could it have gotten to? 2005 was so long ago...
Soul
I got one for Christmas when I was 20. It lasted three months before it died on me. It fell two feet from my pocket to the pavement while I was getting something out of my car.
I got a Zune the next Christmas. It's still working 16 years later.
I don’t get it. What can it do the first iPhone can not?
I played so many doom2 wads on this little shitter