there is literally no reason to get an AIO when this exists. it IS liquid cooling since there is liquid in it btw

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its gigantic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      scared?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ill need a crane to install it into my PC

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like someone didn't get enough bug protein then

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't really matter because it typically fills an otherwise useless void in the middle of the case.
      By contrast, radiators need to be placed at the exterior, so the case has to be made larger to accommodate them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but what if you got x2 big ass gpus and that thing?
        cant be good i presume.

        i am tempted to get the biggest noctua btw.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if my feet can carry 150 kg, so will my hands be able to lift at least 20 kilos. This is 1 kilo max

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >150kg
        What do your lunch look like ?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >150kg

          >t. never lifted anything

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I lift your mom (with my wiener only)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >150kg

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it fits it fits

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You really don't need water-cooling even. Any tower cooler works fine as long as you dial the factory-overclocked CPU down to its proper stock speed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >factory overclocked cpus

      what a moronic idea. Technology peaked in 2015

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Turbo boosting existed before then but nobody noticed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The radiator can be placed more arbitrarily, but yeah there's no reason to get an AIO and the options are really just between air cooling and custom loops.
      Someone selling you a bundle or kit (like an AIO) usually has no confidence in selling any of the parts individually.

      Water cooling lets you move the heat anywhere and the radiator can have arbitrary dimensions, so you can fit a 200mm fan on it.
      You can move your radiator outside of your PC, you can even cool multiple PCs with the same loop if you're so inclined
      Since water cooling is just part of an air cooling setup, you can even set up a rad to cool the exhaust of an air-cooler.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >factory-overclocked CPU down to its proper stock speed.
      Black person my i5 3570k is at 1.3 Ghz over

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        my 3770K used to be that way when I still had it too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you really don't need a computer at all if you buy an AMD CPU

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on the airflow, one advantage of radiators is that they blow any heat out of the case instantly. This is why water-cooled GPUs perform so well because they don't tumble the hot air inside the case

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >This is why water-cooled GPUs perform so well because they don't tumble the hot air inside the case
        your airflow orientation and case pressure utilization knowledge needs improving.
        so many just throw in whatever assuming it is best because it is easier, quicker, and cheaper.
        and frick that dipshit making comments about 40 year old neckbeards in this thread.. spoken like a true ignoramus.

        they don't make full copper heatsinks because it's not economically viable and aluminum actually releases heat better than copper.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    theres no reason to get any aftermarket cooler. What the heat sink companies don't want you to know is that you can just keep bolting on heat sinks, one on top of another (with thermal paste) until the desired cooling is achieved. My core i7 10700 is just the stock heat sink with a big heatsink bolted to that. (I do have a desk fan blowing on it).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stock coolers fricking suck in terms of noise.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Real CPUs don't come with stock coolers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i was confused at first thinking he was calling the lid a heatsink.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Incorrect, OEM CPUs don't come with stock coolers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The elites don't want you to know this but you can just keep bolting on heat sinks, one on top of another (with thermal paste) until the desired cooling is achieved. I have a i7 10700 stock heat sink with a big heatsink bolted to that and a desk fan blowing on it at home.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bravo anon, bravo ha

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >theres no reason to get any aftermarket cooler
      >just use an aftermarket cooler

      kek, based moron

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine being alive in 2024 and still thinking that ancient outdated overpriced noctua shit is still worth buying

    you 45 year old neckbeards need to stop with the oldass info

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      not an argument

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it is

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/cyDerow.jpeg

        there is literally no reason to get an AIO when this exists. it IS liquid cooling since there is liquid in it btw

        More noise because the fans are closer to the exhaust and radiators have a lot more air resistance than air cooler fins.

        Liquid cooling is capable of absorbing more heat before the fans start going wild.

        That's not the case in a normal fan.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's still one of the best and doesn't have moronic zoomer RGB's.
      And no, I don't have a case window but light leaks out through my front fans (my 4090 does have those moronic zoomer RGB's unfortunately)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        install LED Visualizer and turn that nasty Nvidia RGB off.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >just install crapware
          No.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not one of the best, not even close, and none of the best have RGB either. Also you can just turn off RGB on anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The 45 year old neckbeards have had that noctua cooler for 15 years migrating from pc to pc still doing the job.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >imagine being alive in 2024 and still thinking that ancient outdated overpriced noctua shit is still worth buying
      What are the best alternatives to noctua?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        $35-40 Phantom Spirit, or Peerless Assassin if Phantom is not available.
        >Phantom offers virtually identical performance at similar noise levels
        >Peerless isn't far behind most of the time
        and yes, you will still be able to mount it on sockets to come
        both are much cheaper, and also a fair bit shorter so they fit in more cases

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How do they compare to the even cheaper the bequiet pure rock slim2?
          t. non gaymer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Pure Rock Slim 2 would be pretty far behind. This chart is all high end coolers, stuff like the D15 or Dark Rock Pro5/Elite are all in the $100+ range.
            The Slim 2 is just a little babby 92mm tower cooler - considerably better than a stock cooler and arguably one of the better 92mm boys, but it's still not much compared to a big dual 120mm tower like the PS120 or PA120.
            Essentially, those are like two Pure Rock 2 (non slim) glued together

            the PRS2 is fine if you have a very slim case that can't take tall coolers (although you could look at the Peerless Assassin mini if it's priced decently where you live) or if you just need to cool something like a 5600/7600, 12400F/13400F etc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Meh, I just need a cheap and quiet cooler for an office pc with maybe some emulator gayming, and the PRS2 is almost half the price of the Peerless Assassin in my country, which already relatively cheap. So if the PRS2 is good enough, I have no reason to buy something like a PA.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your chart shows NH-D15 is still one of the best though.
          It's expensive, I agree, but they also offer awesome customer support like shipping new mounting sets for free to make older versions compatible with new CPU mounts, and their fans have proven to last a very long time.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cumcooler
    You could pay way WAY less and get the same performance. It's not 2012 anymore

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    as an employed adult my workstation runs 24/7 and the last thing i need is
    >what if that chinky AIO cooler pipe burst
    so yes ofcourse I use noctua

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All of our Dell Precisions have the Dell AIOs even though they should have had air coolers normally. It was like corporate IT was ordering them then the AIO. I've had zero problems our of these workstations and they run 24/7 in a dirt factory. Pic rel is my office machine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if a pipe burst there, everything is warranty covered and all your data is safe
        if a pipe bursts in my AIO = welp, time to spend $900

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But it doesn't have a bunch of rainbow RGB fans and pipes that i can show off on reddit!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Blue LEDs are proven to lower temperatures in most systems. I agree that using red ones is stupid and bad and for gay babies however.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    agree

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AIO has always been a reddit meme
    air cooling is literally the only option for real men

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      agree. frick all that lightweight shit. give me Noc fans and i will work wonders

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >air cooling is literally the only option for real men
      true only if you underclock, undervolt, and watt-limit your CPU

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        idk man my cpu pulls 700W and its fine

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    any big top flow cooler fans out there?
    Does any one else make anything comparable to the NH-C14s ?

    The be quiet top flow is a lot larger, and other 140mm class top flows only have 4 heatpipes, if that.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >literally no reason
    AIO is going to make less noise.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More noise because the fans are closer to the exhaust and radiators have a lot more air resistance than air cooler fins.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        AIO starts to make sense at 360mm, because thats where air coolers just don't have the same surface area to cool.
        Anything below is garbage, as long as you can fit a big air cooler.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And at that point you might as well look at custom water loops.
          AIO's are never the best option.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AIO can't idle at 0db, at the very least you're forced to circulate the water through pump noise.
      on the other hand, any massive air cooler is going to sit at 0 RPM perfectly well until you launch a real workload, but 0 rpm at web browsing/video content.
      Only case where liquid cooling catches up is when you go from low to max load quickly, then the liquid is going to takea bit more time to heat up compared to air cooler, but even then you probably weren't measuring the liquid temp and instead made the aio fans ramp up with cpu temp, therefore not even benefitting from that one usecase where liquid cooling makes a difference.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Worse than a Peerless Assasin btw.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The NH-D15 is outdated, overpriced and irrelevant in current year. Something like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin beats it in every metric for a third of the price. In fact, Noctua's coolers in general are in a pretty bad spot right now, with other companies releasing as good or better products for much less. Really the only place they're still worth the money is air-cooled small form factor builds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Really the only place they're still worth the money is air-cooled small form factor builds.
      what else are we talking about?
      big cases are lame now.
      meh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Noctua was king up until 2018 or so. Other companies caught up and are half the price.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >NH-D15 is outdated
      How can a chunk of metal that transfers heat be "outdated" it works well because its a big ass chunk of metal. That it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's outdated you will get malware virus and not the latest support by noctua

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's outdated by design and price when compared to modern offerings, autist

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It cools shit and well. Not buying new special goy metal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tranime
            >moronic post

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            where do you think you are?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >someone says the cpu stays cool
            >no argument
            >calls that person a moron
            I guess you were the moronic consumer all along, if a CPU stays under 25-30°C under 30db, it's all good.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Of course there is, when you don't have any room above the CPU and need to move the cooly bits somewhere else. Usually a problem is super tiny cases

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how much do you gotta clean radiators cause at this point that the only thing i can think up that is difference
    cleaning fans on both, so the real comparison is cleaning fins on heatsink vs rads.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    my overclocked 5900X is cooled with a Dark Rock Pro 4
    it just werks

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    allow me to school you gaygets. get picrel cooler, remove the outer fan, looks like a passive cooler and is silent. plenty good for 65-95W TDP (with inside fan + case fan next to it)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How is one fan with more rpm silent.
      Dumb as

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I don't get it. I'd rather 2 fans at half speed than 1 fan at full speed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I don't get it. I'd rather 2 fans at half speed than 1 fan at full speed.

        it's not higher RPM, it's silent because it's large enough to cool a 65-95W CPU with one fan and not at full blast. also the inside fan is quieter than outside fan, just by being flanked by fins on both sides. can't beat the looks of that massive black block without the external fan.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          (me)
          as in it's quieter because there's only one fan running instead of two, and still keeps the CPU low temp. that's why it's quieter. the inside fan won't ramp up more to account for the second missing fan because it's already overkill especially for 65W CPU.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >plenty good for 65-95W TDP
      That's not a lot

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        for silent cooling with a massive heatsink. of-course you can't pull that off on 300W TDP wtf

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >remove the outer fan
      >which implies leaving the inner fan on
      >with inside fan + case fan
      >so that's 3 fans
      >silent
      What a fricking moron.
      >for 65W
      Double fricking moron. My 65W does laps without ANY fricking fans.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        implies leaving the inner fan on
        >>with inside fan + case fan
        you having a stroke? it's the inner fan + back case fan, that's two fans moron

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cooler
    >quieter
    >half the price
    >more case compatibility
    Why would you buy the D15 again?

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine the noise

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      noctua: wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      others: vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

      Noctua is preferred fan noise but I'd rather just a better cooler I can run at half the RPM.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can't (hear it).
      Why does this board act like air coolers all sound like jet engines or like included stock coolers?
      I swear this place is stuck 15 years in the past.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fugly color scheme
    I will never touch noctus

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do morons still bring up the color scheme? All their coolers and fans have been available in black for years and their redux lineup has always been grey.
      But whenever you tell them that they will just move from "color bad" to "noctua bad".

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The color scheme meme was so insulting that it translates as 'noctua bad'. Endless amount of npc put the poop colored fan there because the Apple like literal fanboyism. The poop color caused a psycholocigal effect: if I endure this poop color, I need to shill this fan to others to cover my mistake: my computer has poop colored CPU fan. It MUST BE BETTER. Why else I put there poop colored fan? What if its not better?cant be so!!!! I can't make this terrible mistakes. Shilling for free

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are the redux line any good? i keep hearing they are vastly infeior for some reason

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, they're insanely overpriced for completely average fans.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cope, poorhomosexual.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      very pretty

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      waste of energy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope, poorhomosexual.

        thanks doc

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get in the case, Shinji

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have fun swapping water out of your system every couple of weeks.

      Unnecessary consumer bullshit. Nice RGB, does your boyfriend have the same setup?

      >liking cute females is worse taste than enduring poop color because you think it will make people other than yourself think more highly of your taste
      oversocialized homosexual

      Married, gainfully employed men don't think about these things. I just want a quiet computer that doesn't look like the Lighting section of a Home Depot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not him but you realize you can turn off rgb right

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Married, gainfully employed
        feckless tool. I bet you married a women too, because youre a degenerate loser

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      are you moronic?
      >want to remove ram stick, have to let the fluid out and refil later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yuk 90 degree fitting on EK blocks with 4 dimm ram.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no reason to get an AIO when this exists
    so it fits all cases, nice
    moron

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He bought a mini case for his trans aestetic
      Sucks to be u

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bought one of these (since D15 was too tall for my case). Was it more expensive than a lot of the competitors for not much more cooling.... yes. But it will be compatible with sockets even 20 years from now. So I won't have to ever buy a CPU cooler again.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      excellent fan.
      i currently run one myself.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      excellent fan.
      i currently run one myself.

      for me it is pic attached, to accommodate the ram.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why didn't you get the poo colour one?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every single cooler company makes brackets for older coolers, not just noctua, brand prostitute. In 20 years that shit won't be able to cool an entry level CPU at idle anyway.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    scythe fuma 2
    simple as

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AIOs and heat pipe radiators are air cooled because cooling the heat exchanger is done by air

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people are unironically filtered by noctua itt

    go put more led fans in your anime case you fricking tasteless manbaby nerds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >liking cute females is worse taste than enduring poop color because you think it will make people other than yourself think more highly of your taste
      oversocialized homosexual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a fricking brandwarrior wienersucking moron, but damn if that ain't a nice case.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can get an arctic liquid freezer ii 420 for the same price for better thermals and noise

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Redpill me on noctua fans
    I am making a new build and people seem to be really into them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/noctua/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they're normal fans but poo-colored instead of black. perfect if you live in India

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *also available in black

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Worst place to ask. IQfy absolutely hates noctua. They will shill arctic all day which have horrible motor noise especially around 1000-1500rpm, but they are cheap so this place loves them.
      Noctua fans are the best in terms of sound, performance and most importantly also noise profile. Some fans perform slight worse or similar on paper, but most reviews never mention how they actually sound and simply test decibel.
      And they also last forever, have basicly infinite warranty, same with their coolers and their coolers also get new mounting brackets until the end of time for free.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >IQfy absolutely hates noctua
        nein

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          have a nice day

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you first simpleton

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      a modern engineering marvel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't get their 140mm, they're old tech and average. Their 120mm are very good in terms of sound but not the best for outright performance, and they are also very overpriced.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't get their 140mm, they're old tech and average.
        coughbullshitcough

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          really should cough that shit out of your eyes and have a fricking read

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh i read it, and i know bullshit when i see it =]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A very expensive premium brand that caters to "muh noise" autists who apparently don't have headphones and are somehow really bothered by fans going vwooo in the background.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wearing headphones all the time is so fricking cucked. I'm a grown man with my own home I use speakers I don't have to hide my noise from mommy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >needs to use headphones and blast sound 24/7 just to not hear his PC

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >metal tower just works, build better than the chinese knockoffs
      >fans work
      >buy it and only ever need to replace it if you build a new PC and it has a different mounting system from what your device supports

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they were the best 10 years ago, now they are a dime a dozen.
      Other fans are cheaper, better, have the same longevity and you also get free update kits for new sockets.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    With Noctua's I highly recommend looking at the used market. Since all you need is an adapter kit and they work with current hardware.

    For example I saw a used NH-U9B for 25 euros. And I saw for 40 euros a NH-D14 that comes with a core 2 quad, 8gb ddr2 and motherboard combo.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    test

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there is literally no reason to get an NH-D15 when this exists.
    FTFY

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but this cooler won't be compatible with the latest sockets 20 years from now. The D15 will.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Brands like Be Quiet, Thermalright and Deepcool have been keeping up and making mounting brackets for new sockets for a good while now, especially for their flagship products. It's not like 15 years ago where Noctua were pretty much the only ones doing it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Be Quiet
          decent fan, i like them, still like Noc better though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thermalright is older than noctua, troon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        moronic brand prostitute knows nothing about coolers and thinks only Noctua makes brackets, color me surprised
        Even $5 aliexpress no name coolers will send you a bracket for a new socket if you ask them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thermalright still sells mounting kits for their oldest coolers that support the latest sockets. They'll also do a similar thing to Noctua where you send them proof of purchase of your old cooler and they ship the modern brackets to you, just pay for shipping.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bends your mainboard
    >needs to be removed in order to transport your PC

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      neither of those is true btw

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        theyre both true.

        in fact, mainboards and CPU sockets have ratings for how large of a cooler can be mounted, and the monstrosity in OPs pic more than doubles it. installing that air cooler is literally ignoring the mobos and CPU manufacturers official rating.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          and how does that translate into any of your two claims? because my experience isn't what you described at all. my PC is aircooled with a similarly bulky rad (Dark Rock Pro 4), and is moved relatively often, I never had to remove the cooler from my system, be it when I move it from one room to the other or when I moved 650 miles across my country a few years back. my previous cooler (Alpenföhn K2 mounted on my 3770K from day one, from july 2012 to january 2021, arguably even bulkier than the DRP4) also didn't have any issues when doing the same
          also neither of the mobos they were mounted on (which I still both have) are bent or suffered any damage through multiple years of usage. your motherboard physically can't bend when it's held in place with screws on a rigid case
          >CPU manufacturers official rating
          yeah again that doesn't mean jack shit. my 3770K was rated for 3.5GHz but has been used between 4.8 and 5GHz during its entire lifetime and it's still working to this day, 12 years after purchase. nowadays I just use it in my home server rather than as my main machine

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >anecdotes
            amazing

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            better than you claiming bs out of your ass with no evidence to support it at all

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no evidence to support it at all

            >the motherboard manual and CPU socket datasheet doesnt count

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            it doesn't prove that your motherboard will bend or that you'll need to remove your cooler before moving your machine, no. especially because like I said, your mobo can't physically bend without breaking if it's attached correctly, and it's not gonna break with a measly kilogram hanging off the socket

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >your mobo can't physically bend without breaking if it's attached correctly
            >source: my ass

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            my ass can bend without breaking

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'd like to see that

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >your motherboard physically can't bend when it's held in place with screws on a rigid case
            i was just cleaning out a bunch of old computer parts from storage the other day, I had always wondered if the weight could bend motherboards over time. i held them up angled to be able to see, and yeah a few of my old motherboards had a clearly visible bend around the cpu socket. high heat and significant weight will easily do that over time. the board isn't bolted flat against the case, it's on standoffs that result in bending being easier and even if motherboards were nonconductive on the bottom and bolted on flush, most cases are aluminum or thin steel that will easily bend over time as well. in addition, if you dont have consistent tension on all the heatsink screws that will also warp the board over time.
            Motherboard bending is generally not an issue in desktops though, it can bend and it probably wont break. The reason apple had a big issue with mainboard bending was that mobile devices are going to be jiggling and bending all the time, leading to circuit faults. If your desktop motherboard sags around the cpu socket it probably wont ever matter

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. has a garbage mini ITX because he fell for the low profile meme and beleives every motherboard is as shitty and fragile as his

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >mini ITX
            >garbage
            ITX almost always has more than 4 PCB layers which improves signal integrity
            combined with them only having 2 RAM slots improves memory overclocking potential as well
            I'm surprised this board doesn't know

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ITX almost always has more than 4 PCB layers
            Dont motherboards have like 12 layers

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeap.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lolno
            you can actually count them yourself moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >dont trust the motherboard manual or CPU socket datasheet, trust meeee, a moron, instead

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t. corpo schlong gobbler who also has zero notions on mechanical engineering

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >projecting

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm using a D15 on my ITX board just fine.
            Mainboards especially with the noctua mounting system are way more durable than people think.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's liquid in ur mum too.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ll never water cool.

    My solution, stay away from CPUs that need it.

    I’ll use my i9-9900k until the day it dies, and then probably find another one in a dumpster behind an office building.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I’ll use my i9-9900k until the day it dies, and then probably find another one in a dumpster behind an office building.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking right. Why buy tech when offices throw it away? IDGAF about muh “latest and greatest”.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sieg Xeon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking right. Why buy tech when offices throw it away? IDGAF about muh “latest and greatest”.

        same

        What if I want a smaller form factor?

        what are your measurements?

        what is this thing and why is IQfy shilling it now

        not shilling, just discussing great hardware.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mean while your mobile phone does a better job at everything.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What if I want a smaller form factor?

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there is no reason to get an all-in-one because this is an all-in-one
    ?

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what is this thing and why is IQfy shilling it now

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk who you people are and why you're like this but the difference is gigantic

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black is highly praised for its excellent cooling performance and quiet operation. Users appreciate the easy installation process and good build quality of the product. It is compatible with various CPUs and keeps CPU temperatures low. The black design is also well-liked by many. However, some users find the size of the cooler cumbersome in certain cases and wish a second fan was included. There can be potential clearance issues with RAM and the case, and installation difficulties in some cases. The cooler is considered pricey by some, and there are concerns about its cooling performance under heavy loads. Overall, the NH-D15S is a highly efficient and reliable air cooler for those seeking powerful cooling for their CPUs.

    https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-d15s-chromax-black/p/13C-0005-001M2

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    so pretty, so so pretty

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you class that as liquid cooling then it would also be classed as an AIO.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fan fails on air cooler: CPU throttles
    >radiator/pump fails, tubes leak all over your GPU/mobo: buy a new computer
    Liquid cooling is moronic because it has too many failure points
    >b-but muh overclocking
    Stop being a homosexual

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      also don't forget:
      >AIOs lose liquid over time and can't be refilled, you have to change the entire product after a 2-3 years or you lose a lot of cooling performance
      >aircoolers have basically infinite lifetime. fan breaks? order a new one for $5, or open up your old used PSU and take the fan from there
      >high-end aircoolers also tend to have better performance than AIOs
      airchads can't stop winning

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this anon plots and plans like a pro

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          my 12 years old aircooler is still working as well as it was the day I bought it. it can still cool any CPU on the market today (or could, I don't have mounting systems for recent sockets on it kek, it's used on an ivy bridge i7 while my new AM4 build is aircooled with another rad)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            same minds anon
            i can run hcat for days on my machine and it blows cold air, it is perfect.
            i have an unlimited budget (yet i remain quasi conservative on my builds) and would rather run what i have chosen over other designs.
            fresh thermal paste annually, good to go.
            .02

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >fresh thermal paste annually
            my old machine has toothpaste as thermal paste. works really well (and I haven't changed it in a couple years now)
            granted I'm also a poorgay so if I can save 10 bucks by not ordering paste, I'll use an alternative that works just as good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >changing a fan on an AIO is different than changing the fan on a heatsink
        you are supremely moronic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah because having to change the pump when it shits itself doesn't render your entire pc fricking useless

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >typing "different than" and calling others moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            holy shit youre moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            please tell the class what you think it should have read

            "different from" or "different to"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            first of all, "different than" is correct
            "different from" is also acceptable
            "different to" is incorrect.

            so basically, youre either a moronic troll, or just a plain moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >“different to” (standard in British English)
            woops

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >British
            >Incorrect
            theyre_the_same.jpg

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            tard

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >projecting

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >being british.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            please tell the class what you think it should have read

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >b-but muh overclocking
      even for that it's useless. a GOOD cooler especially on a good die design (yknow. large IHS) can happily pull away tons and tons of heat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When was the last time you ever heard about a pump fail?
      The liquid is non-conductive...

      also don't forget:
      >AIOs lose liquid over time and can't be refilled, you have to change the entire product after a 2-3 years or you lose a lot of cooling performance
      >aircoolers have basically infinite lifetime. fan breaks? order a new one for $5, or open up your old used PSU and take the fan from there
      >high-end aircoolers also tend to have better performance than AIOs
      airchads can't stop winning

      Try 6+ years chud.
      I prefer lower noise, cooler CPU and half the price over a Noctua..

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because of modern CPUs and their ever-increasing heat and power

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That seems excessive for my needs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      beaut

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The horizontal fins are blocking natural convection.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        - the case is a wind tunnel, and the cooler has a fan, making natural convection effects negligible. After testing with heat pipes horizontally when I got this cooler, both directions, this is still the optimal configuration with the best thermals over all.

        >borg cooler
        You will service us...
        [...]
        Oh just shut the frick up already

        - Zalman actually made a totally cubed cooler. Pic related.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >After testing with heat pipes horizontally
          Well, you see, the problem is that no matter what position you put that heatsink in, the fins are gonna be either blocking your wind tunnel, or your natural convection, so you're losing efficiency either way. I bet you if the same cooler had fins parallel to the motherboard, like most tower coolers, you could have the same cooling with fewer RPMs or even fewer fans.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I tried big tower coolers, they performed sub optimally for the other parts.

            Sure a peerless assassin was 3-4 c cooler, but my ram was 10c hotter, nvme 15-20c hotter. Having the top flow also seems to offer a small benefit to the top most GPU ( fan curve, thermally the a4000 just boosts till it hits 91c)

            Tldr : I tried big towers. A few c on the CPU was not worth the trade of of 10+ c increase for other components.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >borg cooler
      You will service us...

      The horizontal fins are blocking natural convection.

      Oh just shut the frick up already

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Behold
        Cyoob

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      giant metal structures look fricking cool in computers compared to rgb for fricking clown liquid like in

      Cope, poorhomosexual.

      computers should like fine machines when you open them.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's shit brown

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    works for me

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i built my computer in late 2019 with air cooler
    haven't cleaned or dusted it once
    haven't maintained jack shit
    still works and temperatures are exactly what they were
    i can LOOK into it and see the dust caked
    don't care
    my old man never cleaned his IBM PC because he wasn't gay
    he chain smoked marlboro reds at it and turned it yellow
    I'm gonna do the same thing
    I wasn't raised to be a little homosexual FRENCH MAID dusting out electronics
    not my problem
    and AIO? more like GAY IO

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      only thing you smoke is wiener hombre

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thermalright cooler with 7 heatpipes is better

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >super expensive air cooler
    >beaten by $30 air coolers
    Stop being a brand prostitute.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you have never owned one and it shows

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thermalright heatsink with scythe wonder snail fans

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm using a noctua dh-15s and it's not all that amazing honestly, I dunno what to tell you
    I wonder what would be fine to have for a 5900x

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i still have a nhd14 i bought like 15 years ago. original fans. all still works.
    noctua even sends me free retrofit kits on request when i upgrade sockets.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i use a nh-d15 to cool my 13900k and it works fine, no need for an aio

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    putting on those fans alone is so hard, it warants a 300 usd aio

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      putting those fans on is extremely easy. you must be doing it wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >putting those fans on is extremely easy. you must be doing it wrong
        not my experience, had to use knifes, because my fingers start hurting from the force required to snap those fricking things in.

        never fricking again I am buying this shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          pulled the knife right out of your "can't believe it's not butter" tub, I bet

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >$10 cheaper than the arctic 360
    air cooled morons are so BROKE they need to save TEN DOLLARS

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    water cooling is gamer junk. just perfect for amd users

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it is liquid cooling since there is liquid in it
    actually it's phase change cooling. it turns from liquid to gas and back to liquid. True liquid cooling means it says liquid like water cooling your GPU.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As much as I like noctua, you can get other air coolers with 95% of the performances for 50% of the price. Noctua is not worth it anymore.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even better, just grab the AK620 and spend all that extra money on something useful instead of vain memes.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there is literally no reason to get an AIO when this exists.
    I like access to the inside of my case and motherboard sockets and plugs without removing the cooler.
    AIO's are quieter and don't require the start/stop of fans every time I open a new window
    You don't get to decide what I put in my pc. worry about your own heap of junk.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying that piping and radiators don't do this.
      >AIO's are quieter
      ROFL

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes aios are quieter
        you people are delusional
        noise normalized cooling capacity is far above air cooling
        you also don't have to listen to fans ramping up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you also don't have to listen to fans ramping up
          no one with at least double digit IQ HAS to, fix your moronic fan curves

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you have to fix fan curves to stop coolers from being noisy
            you don't on an AIO. lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what are you implying you moron
            aircooling simply needs higher fan RPMs in comparison

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there is literally no reason to get an AIO when this exists.
    It's true, especially with modern CPUs that can throttle down. Fans can spin down to inaudible levels or even completely stop, while an AIO pump has to run always, no matter what, so they are noisier most of the time.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CPU is pretty much never the Problem.
    Good air cooling is almost always enough for 150W.
    But if your "midrange" GPU wants 250+W it's going to be the loudest component in the system, so you might want to watercool it.

    So imo the best options are:

    1. Air-cool everything.

    2. Custom loop everything.

    >AIO on CPU makes no sense 95% of time.

    Only scenario is for high-end CPU only systems with high load.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've just never understood AIO. They are a fashion statement. If you're serious about cooling custom loop. An AIO is little more than a toy.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like these double heatsink designs. What's the Best Big Bang for Buck cooler in the current year? I plan to use it without a fan.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there is literally no reason to get an AIO when this exists
    first of all, these are old gen noctua 140mm fans
    you should wait for new gen this year (once in a decade) and new version of the cooler

    second, there are many small cases where this thing won't fit, but a 240-280 AIO would

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Water coolers are for brown people to put colorful lights on op

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >kills your fan tower resonance noise

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Should this grid be covered to improve airflow? To make cold air only come in via the fans?

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is there no sealed-to-cpu compressor cooler? Peltier thermoelectric coolers are available and they are less energy efficient. The noise can be attenuated.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why wont someone sell a heatsink thats just a giant block of solid copper?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now consider how much surface area a cube has compared to some grid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thermal mass > radiative effect

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To some extend, it's like 180~235w/m.K vs 385+ (for aluminum / copper). The same thing made of copper will be better though and even if it's more expensive, $10 gets you close to a kilogram.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because Linus will steal it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Once upon a time, Thermalright made this beauty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >10 lb heatsink
        RIP motherboard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why won't Thermalright launch this full copper with their Peerless Assassin 120 Series limited edition

        >imagine spending money on a CPU cooler in the year 2000+24

        >its shit still have it just waiting for the PA120 to arrive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thermalright made a bunch of copper heatsinks. Most of them all pretty old now though but I think there's still one or two they still sell.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thermalright Phantom Spirit cheaper same performance.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >not dunking your entire pc in a non-conductive liquid
    lmfao enjoy your temps over 5C

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My NH-D15 has outlived 3 different computers

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine spending money on a CPU cooler in the year 2000+24

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wraith Spire suuuuucks and the higher tier Ryzen chips don't come with boxed coolers anymore so the Wraith Prism may as well not exist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This shit is impossible to clean out once it gets filled with dust.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me? It's the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >buy extra quiet CPU fan that I can barely hear
    >PSU fan squeaks

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I had a D15 from 2013-2019. Shit couldn't cool my 9900k without sounding like a whirlwind. Bought a 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer and it's dead silent while temps are better.
    I'd rather pay $100 every 6 years for a cooler / quiter system.
    Retired the D15 to the HTPC. Frick air cooling.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Skill issue, unironically.
      The D15 can basicly cool everything. So you probably installed it wrong somehow and/or set a moronic fan curve.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Actually I reseated it multiple times over the years.
        Doesn't matter what the fan curve was, it throttled even at 100% fan speed.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im using this for my 7800x3d. 76c while gaming. -18 undervolt in bios

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      one fan only tho and its some NH- model

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The D15 is definitely overpriced. I bought one about 4 years ago and it hasn't been specially good with either my 3600 or my 5900x. It doesn't need to reach 100% to be what I could consider noisy, it's too bulky and ugly as frick to boot. It's one of those things where you go in expecting that the big nig overcomplicated cooler in a gigantic box that costs nearly 100 bucks is going to suffice for whatever you throw at it and then it just manages to suck some dick.
    I'm not replacing it because I'm not overly concerned about my CPU reaching 100% often, but if I was I'd be probably looking for something else.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tried replacing this hunk of shit with an AIO. Everything fit into place, I plugged the fan connector into the right ports, switched from cpu_fan to pump_fan, etc etc.
    Nothing worked,

    swapped back to this pile of shit with its bracket and mounting set, it worked again.

    Motherboard wouldn't even boot to the BIOs. Only a red CPU debug light would flash from the motherboard. With the AIO and its contact frame installed. Made sure everything was screwed into place and that the contact frame wasn't screwed in too tightly. Nothing worked kek.

    I still want to replace the NH-D15 but I'm not sure with what. The arctic liquid 280mm didn't work out for me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot the C13, did you think such a huge piece of shit wouldn't require external power?

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they don't make full copper heatsinks because it's not economically viable and aluminum actually releases heat better than copper.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >aluminum actually releases heat better than copper.
      no, it doesnt, you dumb frick

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have one of these and it makes a whistle sound at a certain speed. Other than that, it's a great cooler.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thoughts on
    >Thermalright Assassin spirit 120 evo
    vs
    >Endorfy Fera 5
    not quite feeling dual tower coolers, I'm very sure I'd be fully content with a single tower cooler with maybe an extra fan slapped on too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why are you feeling your coolers? pick the best one at your price point, put it in, and never think about it again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        okay then, think for me
        what is the best cooler at my price point of being 1$ short of the cheapest peerless assassin? so I could put it in and never think about it again
        >bends under it's own weight when you tap the case

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Noctua d15 is an overpriced POS that can easily be outperformed by other cheaper alternative air cooler

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