There is no greater religion than Pure Land Buddhism. With Christianity, one continues to reincarnate on Earth. This is proven by the Youtuber John of New, who was told by 19 independent psychics that he walked with Jesus as John the Beloved, who was an Apostle and saint. Even saints, therefore, do not escape the cycle of reincarnation. In Amitabha Buddha's "Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss", which exists outside samsara, you are immortal and attain enlightenment very quickly, as the entire realm is created to facilitate the progression of sentient beings to enlightenment. Amitabha Buddha accepts all people who call on his name at the time of death with only 10 recitations or once single-heartedly, combined with a sincere desire to be reborn in his Pure Land. Don't knock it just because it's Asian — the Buddha of this world was Aryan. Who knows whatAmitabhalooks like but apparently he stands on a red lotus and has a swastika on his chest like in pic related (dying people have had visions of this. see video below).
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>With Christianity, one continues to reincarnate on Earth.
>This is proven by the Youtuber
I lol'd at this too.
who was told by 19 independent psychics!
>19 people who all use the same cold reading con trick gave me the answer I wanted every single time! How could this happen!?!?
Think about it. Reincarnation is real (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmDcpnQGO3A&list=PLVGpOEyPHwiZreMYxqDdPa59DYI1VSvm9&index=1&t=237s) and you're still here despite probably being Christian in many past lives. Moreover, your memories are wiped each time. Amitabha's Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss is far superior to any Heavenly realm that exists within samsara, especially since beings in Heaven are still subject to death when their good karma wears off.
I have no horse in this race anon, I just thought your phrasing was funny.
>reincarnation
There is no soul to reincarnate in Buddhism
The term you're looking for is rebirth
Actually Theoria Apophasis on Youtube who is one of the few people in the world who can speak fluent Pali said there is no such passage where Buddha says "there is no soul". He says "the five skhandas are not my soul". Aliens believe in a soul as well, so I'm going with there is a soul and modern Buddhism isn't right about everything. Of course, the higher self can send parts of its soul to incarnate in different places at the same time.
That contradicts what I understand about Buddhism
The self is a delusion created by the senses and mental processes. The soul is the self imagined as an eternal unchanging entity and thus is a delusion as well
*Modern* Buddhism is wrong because it asserts the lack of a soul. There is a soul, but ultimately the self is identical with reality and nothing is metaphysically separate from anything else. That said, I'm not enlightened obviously.
It's important to know that there's a soul, because evil aliens are very interested in keeping your soul trapped on Earth suffering. I'm one of those people who's convinced in the "prison planet" theory. If you want proof of that head over to /r/escapingprisonplanet and read the sidebar
Oh, you're one of those morons. No wonder. The archons are tricking you.
>unironically citing reddit
You have to go back, stupid homosexual. You started to make a good point but sunk it with that. Kys
The escapingprisonplanet subreddit is correct. It's possible for a subreddit to be sane, you know.
Go back, redditor
This video was such disappointing clickbait. The title implies new evidence, but it's the same bullshit "proof" that we've had for decades: kids making shit up to be interesting and women hypnotizing themselves into imagining a previous life. It's sad how desperate people are to believe in a soul.
I notice /x/ types are really easily influenced by stuff like this. They base their whole "Gnostic-Buddhist" worldview on some random .pdf they read or something like that, but they're totally uninterested in something as perfect and well attested to for millennia as the Bible. Truly the Devil's most gullible warriors.
>in something as perfect and well attested to for millennia as the Bible
>a group of humans removed a bunch of books
>created a bunch of splinter groups from the same source material
>noah lived to be hundreds of years old
>two of every animal on the same boat
>if your brother dies before having kids you should creampie his wife
>first version was so shit they had to make 2.0
>religous leaders can't agree on which version of the bible is best
>neither can religious scholars
israelite here on my 33rd incarnation, keep on believing, I love reaping that sweet sweet goy wealth.
You had pretty bad run in the 1940s though...
Eh, you win some and you lose some. It all balances out in the end.
it's not your 33rd incarnation moron it's like your millionth. beings wander aimlessly in samsara, suffering sometimes because of their karma and experiencing joys sometimes because of their karma. I assume you are suffering or will suffer a lot because you're a conniving israelite
you've never experienced the bliss of an enlightenment experience, thus you don't know why the East has zero need for Christianity. Unfortunately, enlightenment experiences usually come from psychedelics and the East banned those, so it's rare for those people to fully comprehend their own religion. Also Jesus and the Devil are aliens.
lol goy keep on looking for a way out, pray to your gods and swing your thuribles back and forth, starve yourself a little bit too. protip: you're here forever.
Explain
as if israelites have any wisdom. my IQ is probably 50 points higher than yours
Okay, solve this riddle.
Before you are two rods. One beateth and the other healeth. To which shall you go?
Um... healeth? What kind of riddle is that? How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
You are unworthy.
Are you one of those morons that thinks suffering is good? Your religion has really gaslit the shit out of humanity —Christianity included. Buddhism at least recognizes that the problem with existence is suffering and not only that, it has the fricking solution. Your religion offers nothing.
A better anon will be able to solve the problem. You are one of the hylics that you despise.
your religion doesn't believe in hylics, psychics, and pneumatics. I'm also definitely not a hylic — on weed, before ever learning about the gateway process, I accessed Focus level 49, the Sea of I-There Clusters. I'm sure I'm speaking another language to you since, again, I'm probably 50 IQ points smarter than you.
bump
I cracked the code: it's gnosticism but druidic.
So where are you going when you die?
Otherworld
Did meditation, achieved union with God, walked in circles for long years looking for the religion, finally the Monad vía synchronicity said I was a Druid.
Makes sense since during the experience I Saw my soul on a night forest.
Describe the otherworld. What's its pagan name? What does it look like? You can't just say "I'm going somewhere else" and expect me to take you seriously. You'll probably go into the white light at death and end up memory wiped by the draconians and right back here.
Everyone in this thread sucks. Christians, you guys don't understand the viewpoint that Buddhists come from and so your points are off target because of this. OP, you're an underage homosexual and you clearly have a many more trips through the cycle of samsara to go. Focusing on the mystical/metaphysical and ignoring the simplest teachings. You're focused on the first noble truth and ignoring the fourth.
>what is right intention
>what is right mindfulness
>what is right speech
Be better, OP.
And you have just caused yourself to incur severe negative karma by slandering the correct Dharma, which the Pure Land teachings are part of. Watch the video I posted. A blind teenager dying from leukemia sees Amitabha Buddha, says he had a swastika on his chest, and the kid even draws a swastika on his hand to show them the symbol. I have no lifetimes left in samsara dumbass.
>I have no lifetimes left in samsara, dumbass
So you've attained Buddhahood? I can't imagine a real Buddha would just flat out ignore brahmavihara. Are you Gautama returned? You really aren't acting like him. Or are you here to declare that Gautama will never return and that you're the new season of the Buddha?
You're far from Enlightenment, your actions prove this, and you'd know this if you'd spent any time studying the scripture you're espousing. Your arguments are holding as much water as a colander.
Buddha here.
While I understand the point that you're making, I think it is imperative that you recognize that being based and correct on a cartoon forum is one of the necessary steps for attaining nirvana. Therefore, I encourage you to cease in your pontification.
Oh yes, thank you Buddha, how could I forget the 9th noble truth. brb undoing my bad karma incurred with bbcposting and accusing people of being jidf
Pure Land Buddhists have no lifetimes left in samsara if they call on the name of Amitabha Buddha at the time of death 10 times. I said this already. You're not listening.
50 IQ points smarter than your dumb ass.
When Sally calls you in an hour just remember that we are always watching you.
>Pure Land Buddhists have no lifetimes left in samsara if they call on the name of Amitabha Buddha at the time of death 10 times.
Thanks, now I can file you guys next to Nichiren Buddhism in the SchizoPseudoBuddhism section.
Again, you're incurring severe negative karmic debt for slandering the correct Dharma. Why do you think Pure Land is the biggest sect of Buddhism? You think there aren't countless stories of dying people having visions of Amitabha coming on their deathbeds and family members of the deceased having dreams about them being in the Pure Land, etc? The stories are mostly blocked behind the Great Chinese Firewall because 80% of Pure Land Buddhists live there. It's real. Consciousness creates reality and you can create a world provided it is maintained by consciousness units/souls existing within it continuously. People at the Monroe Institute, for example, created a Parisian cafe at Focus level 27 where they all meet up astrally to plan their journey to higher non-physical focus levels. Literally Hogwarts exists because people made it exist with first imagination, then dreaming, then the movies, and especially reality shifting by tiktok zoomers. You can go there when you die if you want. Consciousness will create the rules necessary for spells, potions, quidditch, dementors, etc to exist, just like how almost anything can exist in a dream or imagination. I'm rambling now, but logic still applies (no one can imagine a square circle in any world). Maybe that means in Hogwarts there will be computers developed eventually, who knows. Doesn't matter. Point is people create the world with their minds. Amitabha Buddha created Sukhavati with his mind and the countless beings and Buddhas would keep it going even if he left (but he has no reason to). This is how consciousness works, and it is what Buddhism teaches. Idealism is correct, realism is false.
In addition, Robert Monroe discovered during his countless OBEs that some worlds have barriers to entry. For example, Odin's Valhalla and Freyja's Fólkvangr are only for those who have died in battle. Some worlds require a certain level of wisdom. Some worlds require a certain level of moral goodness. Again, Earth is a prison planet, and an alien who crashed at Roswell said civilizations dump their unwanted here and trap us here using technology. This technology can be seen on shrooms and LSD as a grid in the sky (the "soul net"). But I believe Amitabha Buddha was not a fake person made up by the reptilians to trick us into staying here. I don't have proof of that, but I know the Christian Heaven is not a way out of samsara/suffering because as I said at the beginning of the thread John of New on Youtube was a saint in a past life and still is back on Earth suffering. If not Amitabha Buddha, the next best option is to attain the rainbow body (Dzogchen) but that takes 60 years. Yeah, who the frick was it who called me underage? I'm 50 IQ points higher than you and know 10x as much about probably everything.
>appeal to popularity
>china
>astral projection
>hogwarts
>computers
>idealism vs realism
>valhalla
>hallucinogenics
>roswell
>reptillians
>"i have a higher iq than you"
What am I supposed to take away from this screed? You're jumping from one subject to another every sentence without regard to making an overall coherent point
What you're supposed to take away is that worlds can be created by minds and perfect worlds can be created by perfect minds. Go to a perfect world, Sukhavati. The Christian Heaven provably does not get one out of samsara.
You haven't cited any Buddhist sources. All you said was Buddhism doesn't believe in a soul, which *original* Buddhism actually does. I don't point to other people's points either, where are you getting this from? I posted evidence of a kid seeing Amitabha Buddha as he was dying in the video in my OP. I absolutely know what I'm talking about because, as I said, my IQ is 50 points higher than yours and I have 10x as much knowledge of Buddhism and probably everything else as you. You want enlightenment without Amitabha Buddha? It takes 60 years to attain the rainbow body/full Buddhahood. good luck with that when the Singularity might kill us all. If it doesn't, perhaps it will make us all enlightened and none of this will matter.
>which *original* Buddhism actually does
Post evidence of this (such as a youtube link since you keep bringing the site up)
>Good luck with that when the Singularity might kill us all
This sentence assumes people only have one life and that they need to act in favor of the short-term
>This sentence assumes people only have one life and that they need to act in favor of the short-term
No it doesn't, it implies you want to plan for your death and you might not have time to attain the rainbow body.
Buddhistbros? Our response?
You're arguing with two different people. I'm
Sources referenced are the 4 noble truths, the noble eightfold path, brahmavihara, and speaking to the nature of Gautama Buddha in his lifetime on Earth (although this is harder to cite, as one has to actually have read the stories themselves to understand the ideas). So far you've posted a youtube video and babbled on about things that are specific to your cult sect.
>iq is 50 points higher
Post proof
>know 10x as much about Buddhism as me
Post proof. You haven't posted any thus far; in fact, your posts have contrary to that notion.
>implying you cannot achieve enlightenment without Amitabha Buddha
Prove this without circular logic
tl;dr beyond saying that the pure land tradition is the largest (it's not). Comparing pure land to the actual Dhamma is like comparing Catholicism in the early 1500's, indulgences and all, to the Sermon on the Mount.
I've made my point that you don't know what you're talking about, I've cited specific Buddhist sources, and you've come back with nothing but more schizodrivel and pointing to other people's points. You're regurgitating the half digested points of others, amalgamated into one quivering mass, and calling it your own. You don't know what you're talking about.
tfw not a Make-a-Wish kid monk telling off adults
The biggest problem with Buddhism is the lack of God. Realms of rebirth, karma, different worlds, why do they exist? They could have not existed, so what overrode their non-existence in favor of their existence?
>why do they exist?
Because the Gods made them, duh. Most of the system is there to stop karma and souls and memories and stuff from backing up and setting the Gods' palaces on fire.
>They could have not existed
No, they couldn't have. The Buddha, and later thinkers in both the Mahayana and Theravada traditions, EXPLICITLY and VOLUMINOUSLY argue against the idea of nonexistence. "Nothing" doesn't exist, it's an inherently illogical statement. There's no "could" here, everything that exists exists, it always has, it always will, it just shifts and squishes around, changing shape. This is why there's no beginning and no end, because a period of nonbeing is impossible.
The devas made the entire Buddhist cosmology? This is the first I've heard of that.
>The devas made the entire Buddhist cosmology?
Who do you think rebuilds the heaven realms after they burn up each kalpa? Where do you think the universes that make up the multiverse come from given that they're periodically created and destroyed?
How can Buddhas and Bodhisattvas be more powerful then them if they are the ones who created the whole karmic system?
The Devas and Asuras don't create the Karma, they just create the "pipes" that move it along efficiently. This is where Yama and the Celestial Bureaucracy come into play. They have to do this because the "natural" method of karmic cycling is very inefficient and leads to a buildup of heat that eventually causes the universe to catch fire and burn up. The Devas then retreat to higher heaven realms (that they created both for pleasure and to escape this conflagration) until the fire burns up, then they come back down and recreate the world. Traditional Theravada cosmology posits this just happening in cycles but the Mahayana tradition posits a multiverse where multiple pantheons of Devas are all managing multiple universes.
Anyways Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are more powerful because they're fully awakened beings who know everything and can thus cultivate themselves to be more powerful, but at the end of the day infinite power in samsara means nothing to an awakened being as nirvana is just that much better and they've gone through such rigorous self cultivation that they don't care for the sensual pleasures of samsara anyways, so they sort of just dictate down to the Devas because Skillful Means.
>They have to do this because the "natural" method of karmic cycling is very inefficient and leads to a buildup of heat that eventually causes the universe to catch fire and burn up.
I find this very fascinating, where did you learn this from?
Just reading about Buddhist cosmology and mythology. Most of what comes to the West is hyperrational philosophy and not Buddhism as a religion because, at the end of the day, 99.99% of Westerners are atheists even if they say that they aren't. For most people in our society religion is just mental masturbation rather than something real.
I agree, I was a miracle worker a Church and the reaction from the more "religious" folk was nothing short of absolute disbelief and hostility. It would be utterly hilarious if it didn't demonstrate how spiritually dead Westerners are.
>I was a miracle worker a Church
What does this mean? Are you Pentecostal or something?
how does the "natural" karmic cycle compare to the "pipes"?
>do something bad
>your karmic consequence is to be reborn as a bumpy-assed river-toad
>oh no, the natural consequences of ecological processes means that there's no more bumpy-assed river-toads!
>therefore you have to be reborn as something else, lets say a flat-assed river-toad
>the karmic misalignment of the bumpy-assed river-toad vs the flat-assed river-toad generates "heat"
>but worse, your rebirth as a flat-assed river-toad will result in you being a shitty flat-assed river-toad
>so you'll either accrue bad karma, or make others accrue bad karma
>so whichever butthole killed the last breeding pair of bumpy-assed river-toads not only made a bunch of people get more bad karma but he also made the universe heat up more
>this process happens EVERY FRICKING TIME someone dies and needs to be reborn as a bumpy-assed river-toad because they're extinct btw
>too much "heat" and the universe catches fire and burns up
This is part of why Devas and Asuras work with Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, as it's in their best interests to do so. This is also, in an abstract sense, why Buddhism in Asia is supportive of ethnonationalism: each Buddhist country is, in theory, supposed to be a Pure Land, a realm that exists so specific beings can be reborn there and accrue merit. But, if the universe and it's karmic structures are maintained, the time in between the burnups can be increased, and rebirths can occur more efficiently, AND people can accrue good karma (NOTE: "good karma" sends people to nirvana in Buddism, "bad karma" sends people to lower OR HIGHER realms), which moves them away from "heat" generation.
>who was told by 19 independent psychics
My great grandmother had faith in the pure land before she died
It feels awful when I think about how she's screaming in Hell because of how terrible of a sinner she was but I know God is just
I just wish I could accept it
You do a disservice to your Buddhist sect with your arrogance and schizobabble
>which exists outside samsara
Wrong. Amitaha is a bodhisattva, so he necessarily exists inside the samsara. But he's an all powerful bodhisattva governing entire plane called "pureland." If you utter his name, he's supposed to hear it and save you. I believe you only need to say his name once in your lifetime for him to hear you. The rest is just extra gratitude.