On one hand it delayed things but fracturing the mediterranean also meant competition which forces progress.
Same goes for the Black Death or the Ottoman conquest of the east.
Bad events yes but they also forced people to innovate and often lead to great discoveries.
A truly atrocious event should have nothing redeemable about it.
Ottomans kept the insane Arab fundamentalists in check. They were a civilizing force in the region that became insanely violent and unstable once they were dismantled and almost immediately started killing each other
I think most people agree even in the antiwar camp that came around after Iraq and brought about this new reaction to the 90s and their israeli dominance that the Arabs did need a strong man to keep them in check.
>Collapse of Roman Empire >World War I and World War II
Are the ones that come to mind right away. Issue is objective "setting humanity back" is pretty difficult I would judge it based on economic decline and major loss of human life.
Interesting point I think I would agree with this, most Empires falling led to decay of society and generally worse outcomes.
On one hand it delayed things but fracturing the mediterranean also meant competition which forces progress.
Same goes for the Black Death or the Ottoman conquest of the east.
Bad events yes but they also forced people to innovate and often lead to great discoveries.
A truly atrocious event should have nothing redeemable about it.
Yeah I would say the same for the Mongols, and was a little tempted to say Black Death. But without it Europe would have likely been completely different. Ik during the Dark Ages, Arab world was doing well so maybe it would have led to Middle East being more dominate.
>the Ottoman conquest of the easif the turks didn't take over the buzantines the fricking s*rbs would've done it. And even the roaches are better than s*rbs
>nothing redeemable about it
I think a better provision would be: should have had no positive impacts that weren't already going to happen. The Germanics were going to centralize as such Charlemagne bungling literally everything had no positive impacts that weren't going to happen anyways.
Yeah, didn't the depopulation from the Black Death give peasants more negotiating power, greatly contributing to the end of feudalism? Talk about a blessing in disguise.
Platonism
Death of the Gramsci brothers
Christianity
Hegelianism
Ch*rlemagne
Haber inventing how to make ammonia just before WW1
Operation Barbarossa
Fall of the Soviet Union
Spread the c*tholic church and s*lic law ensuring that Western Europe would be a shitshow for the next millenium. Nothing makes me happier than knowing that his shitty lineage went extinct with the last karolingian being literally mentally stunted.
I like the roman empire but it had devolved into despotism and high taxes. The average person's quality of life improved after the western empire collapsed
>life improved
Krauts are too stupid to even keep an aqueduct going. That's why the visogoths, franks, burgundians, etc. abandoned their filthy germanic heritage amd pretend to be latin to this day
>Collapse of the Roman Empire >World War I >October Revolution >World War II >Decolonization (but only in Africa) >1967 Outer Space Treaty (we could've been flying around the solar system in spaceships propelled by nuclear bombs if not for this thing) >Invention of the Internet
No. The fall of the roman empire was a long process and It transitioned into pre medieval society without much loss of knowledge or change in society. In most places changes were so negligible people would still believe they were roman citizens well into the 13th century. Rome itself was a decadent, corrupted, dysfunctional, borderline anarchic shithole in its last years, so its fall was not only warranted, but necessary in order for western humanity to progress and move on.
If you want to talk about catastrophic historic events, talk about chinese civil war n#5476 or the secular mind rape of the indian subcontinent.
>The burning of the library in Alexandria.
Not as big of a loss as you might think it was.
Tons and tons of vanity scrolls of "The Life and Times of Rich moron #334."
Sure. Life goes on. I still believe it could serve to prevent the events mentioned.
Look at the once knowledgeable far east today, after waves of Abrahamic followers' raids from different directions. Not the least from Europe after christianation.
Roman empire was expansionistic and they relied of the feed of cattle (grain flour) far to much. People got malnourished and cucked by an emperous form of Christianity with the Catholic church. A lot of misery in the wake of its spread, not the least as support for globalist's warfare.
It really has overshadowed the Hellenistic culture which I'm just realizing I want to explore deeper.
Collapse of the Ottoman Empire
Collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
Collapse of Yugoslavia
Egyptian Revolution
Carnation Revolution
Death of Omar Torrijos
Argentine defeat in the 1982 Goa-style war
America being untouched by WWII, leading to the entrenchment of special interest groups that continue to this day.
War on Terror
>Collapse of the Ottoman Empire >Collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire >Collapse of Yugoslavia
Imagine being Bosnia and having these three on your bingo card.
Bronze age collapse of civilizations.
Dark age of Europe.
Rise of inquisition in Spain.
Loss of library of Alexandria.
Sack of Baghdad (loss of huge library).
Destruction of historical sites by ISIS.
The stolen 2020 election.
dumbass
On one hand it delayed things but fracturing the mediterranean also meant competition which forces progress.
Same goes for the Black Death or the Ottoman conquest of the east.
Bad events yes but they also forced people to innovate and often lead to great discoveries.
A truly atrocious event should have nothing redeemable about it.
The Roman empire was basically a tumor by the time it collapsed though.
>Collapse of the Ottoman Empire
Explain?
Ottomans kept the insane Arab fundamentalists in check. They were a civilizing force in the region that became insanely violent and unstable once they were dismantled and almost immediately started killing each other
Zog lie?
I think most people agree even in the antiwar camp that came around after Iraq and brought about this new reaction to the 90s and their israeli dominance that the Arabs did need a strong man to keep them in check.
>Collapse of Roman Empire
>World War I and World War II
Are the ones that come to mind right away. Issue is objective "setting humanity back" is pretty difficult I would judge it based on economic decline and major loss of human life.
Interesting point I think I would agree with this, most Empires falling led to decay of society and generally worse outcomes.
Yeah I would say the same for the Mongols, and was a little tempted to say Black Death. But without it Europe would have likely been completely different. Ik during the Dark Ages, Arab world was doing well so maybe it would have led to Middle East being more dominate.
>the Ottoman conquest of the easif the turks didn't take over the buzantines the fricking s*rbs would've done it. And even the roaches are better than s*rbs
the fall of rome was mainly a setback for western Europe anyways
the eastern half was doing fine, particularly Constantinople, then later egypt
>nothing redeemable about it
I think a better provision would be: should have had no positive impacts that weren't already going to happen. The Germanics were going to centralize as such Charlemagne bungling literally everything had no positive impacts that weren't going to happen anyways.
Yeah, didn't the depopulation from the Black Death give peasants more negotiating power, greatly contributing to the end of feudalism? Talk about a blessing in disguise.
Collapse of Yugoslavia
Collapse of the Ottoman Empire
Creation of Israel
The Enlightenment, unironically.
>Collapse of Yugoslavia
lmao
What's even the goal?
>Creation of Israel
It's a juxtaposition to Islamic culture and the root of the problem really begins in America.
Platonism
Death of the Gramsci brothers
Christianity
Hegelianism
Ch*rlemagne
Haber inventing how to make ammonia just before WW1
Operation Barbarossa
Fall of the Soviet Union
>Ch*rlemagne
Explain.
Spread the c*tholic church and s*lic law ensuring that Western Europe would be a shitshow for the next millenium. Nothing makes me happier than knowing that his shitty lineage went extinct with the last karolingian being literally mentally stunted.
I like the roman empire but it had devolved into despotism and high taxes. The average person's quality of life improved after the western empire collapsed
>Life improved
Wrong, the quality of life actually took a downfall
the drop in quality of life was what led to hard times, which in turn created stronger men
>life improved
Krauts are too stupid to even keep an aqueduct going. That's why the visogoths, franks, burgundians, etc. abandoned their filthy germanic heritage amd pretend to be latin to this day
OP's birth
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «HUMANITY».
>Collapse of the Roman Empire
>World War I
>October Revolution
>World War II
>Decolonization (but only in Africa)
>1967 Outer Space Treaty (we could've been flying around the solar system in spaceships propelled by nuclear bombs if not for this thing)
>Invention of the Internet
All of them.
>Verification not required.
the fall of the Byzantine Empire and the Kingdom of Jerusalem
the siege of baghdad
Martin Luther setting the stage for protestantism and it's 40.000+ sects of heresy.
No. The fall of the roman empire was a long process and It transitioned into pre medieval society without much loss of knowledge or change in society. In most places changes were so negligible people would still believe they were roman citizens well into the 13th century. Rome itself was a decadent, corrupted, dysfunctional, borderline anarchic shithole in its last years, so its fall was not only warranted, but necessary in order for western humanity to progress and move on.
If you want to talk about catastrophic historic events, talk about chinese civil war n#5476 or the secular mind rape of the indian subcontinent.
rome was still cool either way
i’d say the fact that rome existed in the first place was enough to strive humanity forwards
The burning of the library in Alexandria.
Imagine not having the dark ages, catholicism and the following "liberation of women".
>The burning of the library in Alexandria.
Not as big of a loss as you might think it was.
Tons and tons of vanity scrolls of "The Life and Times of Rich moron #334."
Sure. Life goes on. I still believe it could serve to prevent the events mentioned.
Look at the once knowledgeable far east today, after waves of Abrahamic followers' raids from different directions. Not the least from Europe after christianation.
Roman empire was expansionistic and they relied of the feed of cattle (grain flour) far to much. People got malnourished and cucked by an emperous form of Christianity with the Catholic church. A lot of misery in the wake of its spread, not the least as support for globalist's warfare.
It really has overshadowed the Hellenistic culture which I'm just realizing I want to explore deeper.
Abrahamism.
It's the only acceptable answer to this question.
Collapse of the Ottoman Empire
Collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
Collapse of Yugoslavia
Egyptian Revolution
Carnation Revolution
Death of Omar Torrijos
Argentine defeat in the 1982 Goa-style war
America being untouched by WWII, leading to the entrenchment of special interest groups that continue to this day.
War on Terror
>1/9 correct
>F - retake history class
>Collapse of the Ottoman Empire
>Collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
>Collapse of Yugoslavia
Imagine being Bosnia and having these three on your bingo card.
almost all larger global weather events lead to troubled times.
19th amendment
launch of social media/smartphones
Bronze age collapse of civilizations.
Dark age of Europe.
Rise of inquisition in Spain.
Loss of library of Alexandria.
Sack of Baghdad (loss of huge library).
Destruction of historical sites by ISIS.
Bronze age collapse
WW2 + Communism double whammy destroying Europe for all future