>check germanic invaders
>were already romanized
>were already part of the Imperium as foederati
>their leaders were already Roman Citizens
>the looter of Rome in 410 was the Roman Citizen and Magister Militum per Illyricum Flavius Alaricus
>only a Roman Citizen could be Magister Militum
>the looter of Rome in 455 was the Roman Rex Flavius Gaisericus
>Clovis was Flavius Chlodovechus, Roman Consul of the Gauls, granted by Augustus Anastasius I
There were no Germanic invasions, just Roman Civil Wars.
If you speak Latin, dress like Romans and pray the Roman Gods (Jupiter, Jesus Christ, etc) you are a Roman.
Last time I check, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy and parts of Belgium and Switzerland still speaking Romance languages.
Britannia fell under the germanics after Rome left it, plus Cerdic of Wessex (Cerdicus), proclaimed himself son of the last Roman governor Elasius and wanted to restore the Roman order in the island.
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All temporary conquests and subjugations should be colored, including the intial wave of germanic invasions on the left and then the byzantine/majorian/constantine/etc reconquests on the right.
>All temporary conquests and subjugations should be colored, including the intial wave of germanic invasions
The initial germanic invasions never went further than Germania Cis-Rhenana and were repelled by every single Roman Emperor.
>Byzantine
Fake term.
>Majorian
He fought against other Romans, again those "Germanic invaders" were already Roman Citizens.
His brother in arms and rival Ricimer was Flavius Ricimerus, a Roman Citizen and Magister Militum.
>Constantine
Which one, because no one lost territories against any barbarian, therefore no one did a reconquest.
Explain Langobards and Normans
Lombards are larping, they're even less related to Germans than Andamusians are
Normans happened way after rome
The original Langobards that kicked out the Romans after Constantine
They didn't kick out anyone since the region named lombardy is still populated by wog looking people speaking a latin language
>Andamusians
Wtf is that?
Lombards were Heruli, r1a dominant. Culturally originally from Scandinavia but migrated back and forward too many times to count adopting all kinds of languages and when they arrived in Lombardy they were around a third Ionian Greek.
Normans were from normandy in france. Way back the province was founded by the vikings, but by 1000 AD it was just french.
I agree with this for the most part.
The Gothic and Frankish kings were just Germanic descended rulers of Roman states similar to when the romans had a series of Spanish, Illyrian, Arab, and Dacian rulers. Clovis was a Roman commander and the Franks and Goths ruled by the consent of Roman aristocracy.
I would say the Vandals and Lombards count as Germanics conquering though even though the lands were retaken eventually.
Lombards came to Italy some centuries after the so-called "Germanic Invasions" and yes, when they settled they were germanics but after some generations they became Late-Romans / Proto-Italians and were indistinguishable from the natives.
About vandals, when they settled in Africa they were already Romans (spoke latin, dressed like fellow Romans, worship Christ and Jupiter (Thor)).
Very strange cope. Some Romans also had to learn Germanic and adopted some Germanic laws and custom. I guess Rome was "Germanized" then and it was all a Germanic civil war which came out with Germanic language and culture in the end.
The city of Rome was sacked by Germanics troops both culturally and linguistically.
Dude you are the one doing cope.
>Some Romans also had to learn Germanic and adopted some Germanic laws and custom.
No Roman learned germanic languages except the missionaries. And the so-called Germanic law was the same as the Celtic one, which was used by many Romans from Celtic ancestry centuries before the "invasions".
>I guess Rome was "Germanized" then and it was all a Germanic civil war which came out with Germanic language and culture in the end.
Stop doing drugs, anon.
>The city of Rome was sacked by Germanics troops both culturally and linguistically.
Yeah, with Carolus I of Spain and V of the HRE, in the XVI century, one millennium after the so-called "invasions".
>Dude you are the one doing cope.
Anon, you reverse we-wuzzed Germanics into being the real Romans all along just so you could claim they didn't conquer Roman territory.
He’s not. I’m also pointing out how you’re wrong about your claim of Germanic law being introduced into Rhomania.
This is not accurate. At the very top of Frankish Kingdom they instituted Salic law. IIRC this did not apply to the Roman Magnates and aristocracy they ruled over.
Germans were more loyal to Rome than Celts ever were
Gaiseric received no Roman titles and wasn’t romanized just like his people. He was no Roman citizen. Nor were Foederati part of the Empire, that’s the entire point of being one, it meant to be an ally not a part of the Empire.
None of these men were Roman citizens either. It had been common since the 4th century to give Roman titles to foreigner and they were never Roman because of it. The only Foederati which was ever given land was the Visigoths. The Vandals and Alans took land by force and were only later recognised when there was no other option. The same with the Seubi and later Visigoths when they expanded at Roman expense.
Also Alaricus and Gaisericus aren’t names. We know their names were just Alaric and Gaiseric because they aren’t derived from Latin or other Central Italian languages.
I thank allah everyday my paternal forebearers were Germanic animals with I1 and R1b-U106 ydna. I am thankful I descend from Illyrian men.
The Germans were fighting Romans as an independent ethnic and political group, stupid, and you're smearing together huge gaps in time, space and circumtances
Goths on one hand and fricking Clovis on the other holy shit pound a tent stake into your eyeball until you stop stealing oxygen
England should be in blue, place was conquered by non-Romans and converted from Jesus to Wotan.
You're almost right. Celts were giving the Romans a tough time when the Germanics stepped in and said "we'll be your vassal slaves if you gibsus their shit". And so it was for centuries until Rome started declining. Then, the Germanics said "we be imperator now", and couped the various different provinces they were given favour in as foederati.
This was even how Britain was "conquered" by Saxons, by the way. Our current "understanding" of a great invasion comes from Victorian era Nordicist cope. The Germanics who enthralled themselves to the Huns and Avars failed after all.
IIRC Germans were made Foederati long time before territorial concessions were made to them
They barely spoke Latin, and most of the time they didn't dress like Romans. Otherwise modern Romance languages wouldn't have a bunch of Germanic words in them and you'd be walking around in a toga.
I really do think this is the correct and unbiased perspective. Europe really became Romanized in many ways. It was all a civil war. I like the implications of this theory. The Roman Empire slowly broke up rather than the mad max larp we get taught.
>Hlodowig wuz roman and sheet
Never change IQfy
>ludwig
>hljóð-víg, literally loud-killing but means renowned warrior. Víg also mean consecrated and is related to Vajra the weapon of Indra. A tree split by lightning is consecrated/vígt by Indra/Þór.