They're a mystery people that appeared from thin air in the 15th century and the best theory people have is that ancient Illyrians just hid in the mountains for 1000 years!?
What the frick???
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They're a mystery people that appeared from thin air in the 15th century and the best theory people have is that ancient Illyrians just hid in the mountains for 1000 years!?
What the frick???
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> just hid in the mountains for 1000 years
Whats crazy about that ?
That's a long time! How did nobody know they were up there?? There's slavs and Greeks and other things and whole empires running around and nobody found these guys cause nobody checked?! This is completely astounding to me
>he doesn't even know about basques
Nobody lost the Basques!
except basques were always accounted for all the way back to roman times
Greeks though Mt Olympus was the home of the gods and not one fedora tier Christian ever bothered to climb mount Olympus and say he didn't see any god's up there to prove why paganism was false and Christianity was the true faith.
Same foes for Basques
Basques were documented in the middle ages, they even killed Roland
The French writer Aimon de Varenes wrote in 1188 one of the most famous and read works of the Medieval Period, entitled “The Roman of Florimont”.
Though it´s just a fairytale with many historical anachronisms and heavily French style influenced it tell the story of prince Florimont of Albania and his adventures.
https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2016/05/florimont.html
Are you sure he's not talking about the other albania?
Yes Im sure a frech author was a expert in caucasian politics of the pre roman times
It's not political book though, it's a collection of folktales and apparently isn't that accurate if anon is to be believed. Folktales borrowing the name of a random faraway country isn't uncommon. The oldest story of Aladdin was set in China for example
Wait, he was talking about Roman times? Then he would've been talking about them *before* they disappeared. That doesn't mean he knew they were hiding in the mountains. Obviously the Greeks and Romans knew about the Thracians, Dacians and Illyrians.
>Bords de l' adriaticue
>Duc de Duras
Close to Adriatic sea, Duke of Durres, Dyrrahium
the illyrian thing is incorrect but common because most of the peddling is from albanian nationalists.
Toponymy suggests they are a bit further inland paleo-balkan people.
I don't know about anybody but the Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Greeks in the balkans before the slavs showed up
So *some* people knew about them, but they just weren't widely known? That makes more sense I guess.
>So *some* people knew about them, but they just weren't widely known?
People barely knew anything about anyone back then, the period between 5th century and around 11th century in entire Europe is extremely blurry and some things are just speculations at best.
You've also got the Paeonians roughly in modern-day North Macedonia, likely related to the Thracians, and the Dardanians, likely related to the Illyrians, roughly in modern-day Kosovo.
Dardanians seem a good bet and they were basically Illyrians or closely related
It´s Slavs that are obsessed with Illyrians, If anything Albanians used to "larp" as Epirotes or Ancient Macedonians, Illyrians were seen as savage barbarian people.
In this Albanian-Latin dictionary from 17th century it says:
Epirus=Arbeni, old name for Albania
Illyris=Shkienia, Slavland.
It´s linguistics that connect Albanian with ancient peoples like Illyrians
kek Epirotes and Macedonians were also considered semi-barbarian by other Greeks
Same thing with Kurds, they just materialized one day and said, "We wuz Medes"
Same goes for Romanians and we wuz Dacians
These races disappearing for centuries then popping up and saying "hey guys we're back" amuses me
I hypothesize that they are not human, and are in fact foreign invaders from either another planet or another dimension. The only people to have realized this so far are Serbs and Greeks
It was a timeline bug.
The Illyrians were Romanised timeline merged with the Albanian timeline.
They're mentioned in Greek records as early as the 11th century, the 15th century is just when they became famous from the exploits of skanderbeg.
It’s just the most convenient theory we have yet because while there may not be entirely true, we also have no evidence of a major migration or conquest that would make them not illiryans, plus given that they speak one of the oldest languages in Europe you just have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
>In the 2nd century AD, Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria, drafted a map that shows the city of Albanopolis (located Northeast of Durrës). Ptolemy also mentions the Illyrian tribe named Albanoi
>In the 6th century AD, Stephanus of Byzantium in his important geographical dictionary entitled Ethnica (Εθνικά)[20] mentions a city in Illyria called Arbon (Greek: Αρβών), with its inhabitants called Arbonios (Greek: Αρβώνιος) and Arbonites (Greek: Αρβωνίτης).
>The Arbanasi people are recorded as being 'half-believers' (non-Orthodox Christians) and speaking their own language in the Fragment of Origins of Nations between 1000-1018 by an anonymous author in a Bulgarian text of the 11th century.
>Arbanitai of Arbanon are recorded in an account by Anna Comnena of the troubles in that region during the reign of her father Alexius I Comnenus (1081–1118) by the Normans.
First mentions of the Arber/Albanian group. I would say that the Arber/Albanians were the central most identity of a lot of tribes and ethnicities around South Illyria. From the southern Illyrians in Epirus, to the Macedonians in the east, Liburnians to the North and Celts/Pure Thracians to the north east, all the peoples in between spoke similiar languages, the center of which was Albanopolis. Epirotes got colonised by Greeks early on so they cannot be Ethnically Greek. The first mention of Albanian language is in Ragusa in 1285, so the language was well spread out by the 13th century. As well as the eastern zones such as the Naissus-Astibos-Sarr mountains whose modern version of names have gone through Albanian linguistic transformations. (plus the Bessioi theory which is very spicy, a distinct group of tribes in mountainous western Thrace who preached their version of Christianity, in their own language according to Byzantines. But nobody has documented a westwards migration into Albania, not even one from the north.
>cont
Basically Albanians are a group of paleobalkan people from a large area who didnt get slavicised, hellenised or romanised, spoke related languages evident in the shitton of dialects in Albanian speaking lands. The central point was Albanopolis, so this is where their identity is mentioned by Greeks and Romans.
We literally wuz Illyrian/Thracian/Dardanian/Brygian/Macedonian/Bessian/Epiriotes/whatever
>picrel the Bessi theory argued by a reaching schizo
Idk some sound slavic to me
>grapa = ditch (from german verb "graben", "to dig")
>ruj = Cotinus coggygria (from ancient greek "rhoũs")
>barje = bog/marsh (serb. dialect: bȃrje "flooded field"; croatian and serb. bȁra "puddle/swamp"; russian dialect: bár "mud, swamp"; czech dialect: bara "swamp"; from proto-slavic *ba̋ra "mud, swamp" from PIE *bʰerH- "brown")
>slovenian village Bazovica in Italy
Of course, only about half of those names can be argued as albanian.
The ones starting with Bukur, Arzan, Tumba, Gintsi for example. This isnt even a theory, just a dude reading too much into the neames and reaching.
They are just derbs who converted to islam
inventors of the demolition derby