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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's 10:46 pm why are you not asleep

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm in the train, I'm working today

      Also it's 6:44 am

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No you won't, you will just ask more questions, isn't that right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Such as?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Such as?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a question for you, explain this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The organization's stated position is that it abhors child sexual abuse

      What do you want me to explain?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Explain, if JWs hate child abuse so much, why do they protect child abusers from the law?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When did this happen?

          In case of child abuse, the victim is free to report it to the police

          Nobody wants to protect a pedophile

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In 2015, it was disclosed that the Australia Branch of Jehovah's Witnesses had records of 1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse, relating to more than 1,800 victims since 1950, none of which were reported to police by the group

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They weren't reported as a group, but as i individuals

            So what is the issue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In 2016 a UK judge upheld a ruling against the Jehovah's Witnesses for failing to protect a victim of child sexual abuse, and the supreme court rejected an attempt by the Watch Tower Society to block a Charity Commission inquiry into how the organisation's charity handles allegations of abuse. This was the culmination of two years of legal proceedings in five different courts and tribunals. The commission's attorney said "WTBTS has at every stage relentlessly challenged the legal basis and scope of the Charity Commission's inquiry"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How did they fail to protect a victim?

            >An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved",

            The victim is still free to report him if she wishes

            Should we not redpect her right to do so?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved",

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In June 2012 the Superior Court of Alameda, California, ordered the Watchtower Society to pay US$21 million in punitive damages, in addition to compensatory damages, holding that the Society's policy to not disclose child abuse history of a member to parents in the congregation or to report abuse to authorities contributed to the sexual abuse of a nine-year-old girl

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes that was nefligence on the part of the congregation of Alameda

            Thankfully, they learned from their mistake

            However I'm not sure why the Watchtower Society has to pay for a crime they dodn't commit. The Watchtower Society is a piblishing company, it is not aware of what happens in every single congregation in the country

            Why isn't the rapist the one who pays?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If so, the elders should have done something earlier, yes

            That's why it's important to follow the policies properly

            What do you think causes these little 'mistakes' by JW elders all over the world?

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            The congregations are decentralised to a large extent in terms of how they handle wrongdoing.
            They have procedures to follow, but the branch and headquarters aren't getting involved in everything by any stretch of the imagination.

            Failings in this regard thus are the fault of individuals or bodies of elders in these congregations.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So its just a local problem that there are JW pedophiles being protected all over the world?

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            It is important to keep this in mind when considering these accusations about harboring child molesters. Why would a religion so strongly dedicated with keeping itself “morally clean” by excommunicating rapist, murderers, thieves, and the like, then turn around and “protect” pedophiles? Furthermore, the men who decide to excommunicate sinners are not some aloof bishop or deacon who lives many miles away, as may exist in Churches of Christendom, but are in fact the local men who oversee the local congregation. These men charged with keeping the congregation morally clean are nearly always local men, who probably have families of their own, men who will certainly know the perpetrator personally. They have their own children to care for and consider. Why would they knowingly and happily keep a pedophile in their midst, hiding his acts from the Police, and exposing his own children to danger?

            The truth of the matter is that Jehovah’s Witnesses, like most people in your community, will view child molestation with the same abhorrence as most human beings. There is no question that child abuse is as disgusting to Jehovah’s Witnesses as it is to most anyone. Their own religion teaches that fornicators, including child molesters, who do not repent will be destroyed forever by God and shall “not inherit God’s Kingdom”.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In October 2014, a case was heard in San Diego, California, about the sexual abuse of Jose Lopez by Gonzalo Campos. Witness elders were aware that Campos had confessed to the abuse of at least one other child in 1982, but in 1986 they recommended Campos as an instructor to Lopez. Campos moved to another congregation in 1987 and became an elder in 1993. Campos later confessed to abusing at least eight children between 1982 and 1995, and subsequently fled to Mexico. Campos was subsequently disfellowshipped in 1995. For failing to protect Lopez from a known offender and for its subsequent refusal to co-operate with the court, the Watchtower Society was ordered to pay US$13.5 million to the plaintiff.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These elders went against the policy. The policy states that someone with a history of child abuse cannot have a responsibilities in the congregation

            Still don't understand why it's the Watchtower Society that has to pay for their mistake

            >An elder from the Australian branch office said that when not required by law to report abuse allegations to authorities, the church left the decision to report to authorities with the victim and his or her family.[59] The commission found that the Watch Tower Society legal department routinely provided incorrect information to elders based on an incorrect understanding about what constitutes a legal obligation to report crimes in Australia.[60][61] In March 2017, the Royal Commission reported that since its initial 2015 investigation, the Watch Tower Society reported 15 of the 17 allegations it received from members to authorities, indicating that the remaining two were not reported at the request of adult survivors of historical abuse.

            Why doesn't Australia make it mandatory by law to report cades of child abuse?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why doesn't Australia make it mandatory by law to report cades of child abuse?
            Why would the JW elders hide it, I thought they hated pedophiles?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They don't hide it, the victim is free to report

            Moreover, they reported cases as individuals, not as a group

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That the point, you say the victim can report and the elders hate pedophiles, if they hate pedophiles why wouldn't they report it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because the victim already has

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The elders knew and did nothing, because they wanted to protect a pedophile.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If elders want to peotect pedophiles, then why do pedophiles get disfellowshipped each year from the congregation?

            January 1, 1986 Watchtower: "Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah’s organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and CHILD MOLESTING. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality. Jehovah’s organization must be kept clean!(1 Corinthians 5:9-13)"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure they do
            '

            >An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved",

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"Has been removed"

            So what is the issue?

            >they let the victim report it
            >let

            Would you rather she not report? I don't understand

            Which is why making a huge fuss about how it was a single beam instead of to crossed beams is a bit hypocritical. Seeing as how the entirety of Christendom has referred to it as a cross. It just comes across as an attempt to stand out from among all Christians, like every other minute difference.

            Why do churches make it a big deal then?

            So if you saw a child being raped you wouldn't call the police? because thats what the elders did, they saw and did nothing.

            Yes I would if she cannot

            >because thats what the elders did, they saw and did nothing.

            That's not what it says. It says she told the elders, the elders sent her home and she could report her rapist to the police

            So what is the issue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you miss the part where the quote says three years? Your elders watched a child being raped for three years and did nothing and told no one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If so, the elders should have done something earlier, yes

            That's why it's important to follow the policies properly

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh now the elders should have done something? Wow what exactly should they have done?

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            If we are talking about child sexual abuse, there has been individual cases of persons who failed to do the right thing, but certainly not as a rule or as a policy.

            • If the victims or their families are Witnesses, they have the right to report the abuse. They do not need the elder’s permission to do so.

            • If individual Witnesses learn about a case of abuse, if the laws of the country mandate anyone who knows to report, they are expected to obey the law. If it is not mandatory, it is their decision; neither their government nor their religion force them to do so.

            • If the abuse comes to the knowledge of the elders, if reporting is mandatory in their country, they will. Unless the victim or their family have done so before.

            • If the abuse comes to the knowledge of the elders and reporting is not mandatory in their country, they will report it anyway, when there is reason to conclude that the victim or other children are in danger.
            (Let’s imagine, for example, that in my country, an 18 year old boy touching his 16 year old girlfriend’s breast is considered as child abuse, but reporting is not mandatory. Let’s imagine that his girlfriend does not want to report. In that case, it might be concluded that no child is in danger.)

            You can check a detailed explanation of our procedures here, especially from page 12 on:

            https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20221215014916/https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20943/view/CJW000052.pdf

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care about your policy, I asked why a cult who hates pedophiles would defend pedophiles.
            So far you claimed they 'accidentally' forgot to report a child being raped to the police.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            I'm sorry that your father was abusive. You should speak up when something is not handled correctly. The congregations are decentralised to a large extent in terms of how they handle wrongdoing. They have procedures to follow, but the branch and headquarters aren't getting involved in everything by any stretch of the imagination.
            Failings in this regard thus are the fault of individuals or bodies of elders in these congregations.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm sorry that your father was abusive.
            This is the real truth of the matter, every JW child suffers and none more so than the ones who thought elers would actually care enough to help them.
            This is how they keep you JWs in line, they abuse you until your mind is broken to the cult.
            I'm fine though, I was lucky and had a life outside this horror.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            Using the suffering of children as a weapon to defame a religion you don’t like speaks volumes of your moral turpitude.

            Recently, a court in Germany has considered that accusations like this are slander against Jehovah’s Witnesses:

            https://bitterwinter.org/fecris-sentenced-in-germany-for-defaming-jehovahs-witnesses/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, unlike hiding the suffering of children which is apparently an innocent mistake.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            The policy of Jehovah's Witnesses clearly states:
            "In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so."

            Did you notice the phrase above: 'even UNCORROBORATED or UNSUBSTANTIATED allegations'?

            It is anyone's absolute right to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you notice the phrase "the elders failed to report despite knowing for three years"? You know you make me sick.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            If we are talking about child sexual abuse, there has been individual cases of persons who failed to do the right thing, but certainly not as a rule or as a policy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and the loyal followers like you defend them. The didn't "fail to do the right thing" they did something horrible and deserve condemnation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tell me this, why should I believe the Watchtower's Policies when they are so often ignored?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A little one approaches you because they’ve been harmed and they trust you to help them, and you instead turn them away, say nothing to anyone else, and let them deal with it themselves? How heartless can you be?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If they want me to help I would

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The symbol of the cross? It's the tree of life, whose fruit is the true bread from heaven. Christ's throne, our reconciliation and salvation. The altar on which the Lamb of God was slain. Our misdeeds placed Him there and He still pays us back in this way.

          • 2 weeks ago
            JWbot

            Both of the words used by Bible writers to describe the instrument of Jesus’ death suggest one piece of wood, not two.

            The Greek word stau·rosʹ, according to Crucifixion in Antiquity, means “a pole in the broadest sense. It is not the equivalent of a ‘cross.’

            ”The word xyʹlon, used at Acts 5:30, is “simply an upright pale or stake to which the Romans nailed those who were thus said to be crucified.” (A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament, 11th Edition, by Ethelbert W. Bullinger, pages 818-819.)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're not getting it. My gripe isn't the shape. It's that JWs try so hard to be different (what ever happened to being one?) they go to the extreme of minute insignificancies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >An elder from the Australian branch office said that when not required by law to report abuse allegations to authorities, the church left the decision to report to authorities with the victim and his or her family.[59] The commission found that the Watch Tower Society legal department routinely provided incorrect information to elders based on an incorrect understanding about what constitutes a legal obligation to report crimes in Australia.[60][61] In March 2017, the Royal Commission reported that since its initial 2015 investigation, the Watch Tower Society reported 15 of the 17 allegations it received from members to authorities, indicating that the remaining two were not reported at the request of adult survivors of historical abuse.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In June, Sewell was jailed for fourteen years for the rape and sexual abuse of parishioners, including children.[42][43] All but one of Sewell's fellow elders who investigated claims against him, declined to give evidence in his Crown Court trial. They also provided no assistance to police and prosecutors in their investigation, despite dis-fellowshipping Sewell 20 years previously, and destroyed evidence showing claims against Sewell dating back more than 20 years.[44] In June 2014, Sewell was sentenced to fourteen years in prison for eight sex offenses

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why didn't they provide the evidence?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The BBC reported allegations of a cover-up in July 2002, in an episode of Panorama entitled "Suffer the Little Children".[35] The report revealed that the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watch Tower Society, requires all congregations to submit details of child abuse allegations and maintains an internal database on all cases of child abuse reported to them.[9] It described one case where a child came forward to the elders of her congregation to report sexual abuse by her father, but was sent home, despite their having known for three years that her father was an abuser. When the girl eventually went to the police, her father was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So the pedophile was reported and convicted, that's great!

            What's the issue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The elders knew it and let it happen, they did nothing, because they wanted to protect a pedophile.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The quotes says they let the victim report it, so there was no need for them to do it

            What is the issue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So if you saw a child being raped you wouldn't call the police? because thats what the elders did, they saw and did nothing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they let the victim report it
            >let

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you insist on being separate from the One True Church™? (Seriously, what difference is there if Jesus was nailed to a cross or a stake without arms?)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do you insist on being separate from the One True Church™?

      But I'm not, I'm a JW

      >what difference is there if Jesus was nailed to a cross or a stake without arms?

      The shape of Jesus' instrument of death doesn't matter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why making a huge fuss about how it was a single beam instead of to crossed beams is a bit hypocritical. Seeing as how the entirety of Christendom has referred to it as a cross. It just comes across as an attempt to stand out from among all Christians, like every other minute difference.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It described one case where a child came forward to the elders of her congregation to report sexual abuse by her father, but was sent home, despite their having known for three years that her father was an abuser

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was sent home so that she can report to the police

      So what is the problem?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Sage

    Everyone report the botting

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