>2 month plan to meet strict deadlines or you're fired >complete a project in one month or you're fired
I though they all got tested rigorously with a million coding interviews and tests before getting a position there. So this bs doesn't stop even if you're already employed? Sounds awful tbh
i mean yeah it makes sense since you're hired to work you can't just dick around
still gave him a lot of choices
wondering how he got in though if all he does is copy and cheat
most developers are either astonishing lazy or astonishing moronic
Now after a few years of freelancing as devops engineer / architect, I am sought after enough that I can chose the contracts I take
I will leave immediately if the team I should work with consists solely our of these type of morons
and my god, this made my life so much less stressful
I realized I never hated my actual work for even a second
I just hate dumb people
it's amazon
they (take /) took everyone
even here in Germany for their Berlin office
also no it never stops in these US megacorps
but that's also why they pay you more
If you want a /comfy/ job here in Germany, you take a 35h/week IGM Union contract
these pay you on the upper end like ~100k€
compared to like ~140k at Microsoft
though only way to get Bay Area salaries here is as freelancer
then you can get like 250k-400k
iG Metall really is the only reference for IT
most big German tech (think SAP, Bosch, Mercedes) directly have IGM contracts
and most smaller companies (in southern Germany) at least take them as reference
you can just google the salary tables
big ones pay like 20-30% more as variable pay / bonus
standard is 35h/week, 30 days vacation and you get like 55k-65k as university graduate at the moment
2 months ago
Anonymous
interesting
i'll probably enter the (supposed) hell of trying to be self-employed/start a small business
2 months ago
Anonymous
>the (supposed) hell of trying to be self-employed
not really hell
purely depends on how well connected you are
I worked 8y in 3 companies before I quit and started working as freelancer
took another year to get settled in, get enough contracts to have enough work, change into private health insurance, opt out of state pension (don't forget to save yourself though), generally not get fricked over by anyone
but I had good contacts when I started
>start a small business
honestly I tried this, employing other people and widening my service spectrum, but it didn't work out really
I am a specialist in my field; I plan, design and fix really big CI/CD pipelines
and every line of code that I write myself lowers my salary
the customers have their own people to do this - I get paid to tell them what exactly to and not to do
Once I added more engineers on my side I got way lower hourly wages
competed with bigger companies in my field
and had the stress and risk of having own employees
outsourcing was also a complete disaster
now alone again I can write 300€/h on my invoice and no one bats an eye
but then again, my niche might be completely different from where you aim to be
2 months ago
Anonymous
>change into private health insurance
why?
I was going to be unemployed technically for a year or so as I build up some AI stuff privately
public insurance seemed like the best option (i dont want to get trapped on private and can't go back)
when i say small company i basically mean me + 1-2 other founders
we probably would employ very few people (if any)
2 months ago
Anonymous
>private healthy insurance >why?
public insurance: ~990€/month
private insurance: ~480€/month
although the price wasn't the reason - the 6k€/year don't really bother me
my private insurance is a top of the line one
i don't have to wait for any doctor
get the best stuff everywhere
The biggest improvement is that I tell my doctors when I have time and I get an appointment exactly then
it's only like 5 appointments per year (dentist, general checkup, skin cancer check, fitness check)
but just the comfort to decide when I want to go there is worth it
>get trapped on private and can't go back
but why would I change back
just make sure you plan your pension high enough for the increase and you are fine
and like I said, I only changed after about a year
when I knew this was gonna work out
>me + 1-2 other founders
i imagine this could work out really well if everyone is pulling their weight
make sure you understand HOW your potential clients hire freelancer / contractors
especially if you split up the work of client acquisition
for example i had a company where a lead engineer called the shots (or rather was connected to the ceo who decided) and I only landed this one because I was the only one where they talked to an actual engineer during initial talks
2 months ago
Anonymous
public insurance is based on income, so if i'm not making money it's like ~200
and yeah i think it will work out, i'm the tech guy and the other person is the industry person. we can stay very small and agile this way (and frankly probably use AI + maybe a contractor for the stuff you'd normally have to hire for)
2 months ago
Anonymous
>public insurance is based on income, so if i'm not making money it's like ~200
yeah and when you are making money it goes up FAST
it only stops getting more at like 70k€/year
then you pay close to 1k€/month, depending on the insurance
and honestly if you are making only 70k as freelancer it's not worth it, that's less than a normal IGM contract
so you most definitely will pay the maximum amount
not sure where you want to use AI
plain coding, the stuff where you could use LLMs, is not paid well (upper limit maybe 120€/h depending on the industry)
and if you develop AI stuff yourself, just make it a proper startup and get VC funding
an exit or at least getting to something like Series A / B is more profitable than working on hourly basis
2 months ago
Anonymous
>and if you develop AI stuff yourself, just make it a proper startup and get VC funding >an exit or at least getting to something like Series A / B is more profitable than working on hourly basis
doing this but i dont want VC funding tbh i find it to be shit where you lose control and end up working for them
i have severence coming in and savings and pretty low expenses
i have to tell the arbeitsamt i dont want unemployment (at least anytime soon), idk how that works, i guess they probably don't give a shit too much
Indians have friend groups with 100's of other Indians in them, and they all pool together their knowledge on how to game the system. I was kind of shocked when I got introduced to one of their groups. It's literally them all just sharing confidential information and laughing about it basically.
The frick is this shit? Half a million developers and not a single post about programming.
>how to job plz >how to wagecuck plz >bloody banchod how to salary
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's all status to them. This is why there are zero successful Indian tech companies. You want to know the funniest thing about Indian tech? Their most highly valued startups (1B+) are all selling courses for people to get tech jobs. Their whole economy is a ponzi scheme.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Their whole economy is a ponzi scheme
So you're saying durgasoft sir is...
Every immigrant group does this. It's part of the true reason why they're so much more successful than native-born Americans on particular measures. israeli people have them too. You saw so much teeth-gnashing about BLM because those are the types of social movements that birth these kinds of networks (as seen with the CRM leading to the Black Panthers which they had to break up with actual assassinations and bombings). At some point, you end up with white non-blue-bloods as the only people still actually buying into the "rugged individualism" psyop.
Indians at an American university got sloppy and one thing led to another. admins investigated ONE chegg account. 30+ Indians get clapped. Sucks when your opsec hygiene isn’t very far from your irl hygiene.
They learn it from jeets who learn it from other jeets, it just takes one jeet out of a billion up the line somewhere to figure these things out in the first place
Ethnicities protecting their own. It's the same everywhere except the Indians have taken too much of tech.
There's even an oracle lawsuit because of Indians discriminating against other ethnicities and lower castes.
Let this be a lesson for you guys just starting out. Apart from being a filthy scab from India, this fellow was so afraid to fail and get fired that he ended up getting himself fired anyway. Had he the confidence that he would be able to figure things out, then he would have accepted the challenge and likely still be working at Amazon. It's almost always better to fail spectacularly than to be a coward.
skill issue, a degree doesn't tech you anything but it should give you the confidence that you can learn on the job. This jeet was just lazy and let an opportunity of a lifetime leech pass him by.
>a degree doesn't tech you anything
What shitty school did you go to? They won't teach you the latest flavor of the minute stack but you will learn basic underlying concepts that are more important and don't immediately become outdated.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Probably the poster that went to WGU
2 months ago
Anonymous
Likely some CC or, yes, an online uni. I basically taught myself everything when I was enrolled in WGU. It was hell.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Kind of funny how degree gays can't even into fizzbuzz while self-taught chads can do it in their sleep. It's almost as if memorizing abstract nebulous concepts doesn't really have any practical value.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Basic CS concepts absolutely are worth knowing. But most CS courses suck because making them easy and useless means more students to bilk.
>I have a Master's degree >I hate my field
I think most people who have Master's degrees hate their field. Those who are passionate (aka insane) go on to their doctorate.
>fibs and fakes his way into a first world country and a good job despite knowing nothing >constantly cheats through life and loopholes
honest to god this guy could find a living in being dishonest, there's a certain skill to being a complete sham that presents as a competent person, that's what his career should be.
>barely get mid position in current company >its an agency so they rent me out to another company >company is filled to brim with indians >all indians are "seniors" >they don't understand how classes work >me as a mid do more work than 3 senior indians
>self admitted no coder >coasts for 2 years before getting fired
swe really is a goldmine
could probably put it in his cv and do it again at another company
and people wonder why companies like AI so much kek
people are expensive and a risk
work from home basically exposed a lot of SWE/codemonkeys as lazy c**ts
No, it's not.
Literally not
fpbp
I promise you, this is not who I'm competing against.
>2 month plan to meet strict deadlines or you're fired
>complete a project in one month or you're fired
I though they all got tested rigorously with a million coding interviews and tests before getting a position there. So this bs doesn't stop even if you're already employed? Sounds awful tbh
It doesn't for imports because they're effectively wageslaves.
By that point he was already fired. They just can't do it legally without cause
That's true for the project but the 'focus' just sounds like a PIP. Those are a normal thing that bad employees don't get firrd for all the time.
i mean yeah it makes sense since you're hired to work you can't just dick around
still gave him a lot of choices
wondering how he got in though if all he does is copy and cheat
most developers are either astonishing lazy or astonishing moronic
Now after a few years of freelancing as devops engineer / architect, I am sought after enough that I can chose the contracts I take
I will leave immediately if the team I should work with consists solely our of these type of morons
and my god, this made my life so much less stressful
I realized I never hated my actual work for even a second
I just hate dumb people
it's amazon
they (take /) took everyone
even here in Germany for their Berlin office
also no it never stops in these US megacorps
but that's also why they pay you more
If you want a /comfy/ job here in Germany, you take a 35h/week IGM Union contract
these pay you on the upper end like ~100k€
compared to like ~140k at Microsoft
though only way to get Bay Area salaries here is as freelancer
then you can get like 250k-400k
tell me more about this IGM Union
i know iG Metall are the biggest boys
iG Metall really is the only reference for IT
most big German tech (think SAP, Bosch, Mercedes) directly have IGM contracts
and most smaller companies (in southern Germany) at least take them as reference
you can just google the salary tables
big ones pay like 20-30% more as variable pay / bonus
standard is 35h/week, 30 days vacation and you get like 55k-65k as university graduate at the moment
interesting
i'll probably enter the (supposed) hell of trying to be self-employed/start a small business
>the (supposed) hell of trying to be self-employed
not really hell
purely depends on how well connected you are
I worked 8y in 3 companies before I quit and started working as freelancer
took another year to get settled in, get enough contracts to have enough work, change into private health insurance, opt out of state pension (don't forget to save yourself though), generally not get fricked over by anyone
but I had good contacts when I started
>start a small business
honestly I tried this, employing other people and widening my service spectrum, but it didn't work out really
I am a specialist in my field; I plan, design and fix really big CI/CD pipelines
and every line of code that I write myself lowers my salary
the customers have their own people to do this - I get paid to tell them what exactly to and not to do
Once I added more engineers on my side I got way lower hourly wages
competed with bigger companies in my field
and had the stress and risk of having own employees
outsourcing was also a complete disaster
now alone again I can write 300€/h on my invoice and no one bats an eye
but then again, my niche might be completely different from where you aim to be
>change into private health insurance
why?
I was going to be unemployed technically for a year or so as I build up some AI stuff privately
public insurance seemed like the best option (i dont want to get trapped on private and can't go back)
when i say small company i basically mean me + 1-2 other founders
we probably would employ very few people (if any)
>private healthy insurance
>why?
public insurance: ~990€/month
private insurance: ~480€/month
although the price wasn't the reason - the 6k€/year don't really bother me
my private insurance is a top of the line one
i don't have to wait for any doctor
get the best stuff everywhere
The biggest improvement is that I tell my doctors when I have time and I get an appointment exactly then
it's only like 5 appointments per year (dentist, general checkup, skin cancer check, fitness check)
but just the comfort to decide when I want to go there is worth it
>get trapped on private and can't go back
but why would I change back
just make sure you plan your pension high enough for the increase and you are fine
and like I said, I only changed after about a year
when I knew this was gonna work out
>me + 1-2 other founders
i imagine this could work out really well if everyone is pulling their weight
make sure you understand HOW your potential clients hire freelancer / contractors
especially if you split up the work of client acquisition
for example i had a company where a lead engineer called the shots (or rather was connected to the ceo who decided) and I only landed this one because I was the only one where they talked to an actual engineer during initial talks
public insurance is based on income, so if i'm not making money it's like ~200
and yeah i think it will work out, i'm the tech guy and the other person is the industry person. we can stay very small and agile this way (and frankly probably use AI + maybe a contractor for the stuff you'd normally have to hire for)
>public insurance is based on income, so if i'm not making money it's like ~200
yeah and when you are making money it goes up FAST
it only stops getting more at like 70k€/year
then you pay close to 1k€/month, depending on the insurance
and honestly if you are making only 70k as freelancer it's not worth it, that's less than a normal IGM contract
so you most definitely will pay the maximum amount
not sure where you want to use AI
plain coding, the stuff where you could use LLMs, is not paid well (upper limit maybe 120€/h depending on the industry)
and if you develop AI stuff yourself, just make it a proper startup and get VC funding
an exit or at least getting to something like Series A / B is more profitable than working on hourly basis
>and if you develop AI stuff yourself, just make it a proper startup and get VC funding
>an exit or at least getting to something like Series A / B is more profitable than working on hourly basis
doing this but i dont want VC funding tbh i find it to be shit where you lose control and end up working for them
i have severence coming in and savings and pretty low expenses
i have to tell the arbeitsamt i dont want unemployment (at least anytime soon), idk how that works, i guess they probably don't give a shit too much
makes me glad I didn't make it into gayMAN.
Holy shit that FMLA extension lasted four months. How on earth do dumbasses like this learn how to game the system so well.
Indians have friend groups with 100's of other Indians in them, and they all pool together their knowledge on how to game the system. I was kind of shocked when I got introduced to one of their groups. It's literally them all just sharing confidential information and laughing about it basically.
Check out /r/developersIndia.
It's one of the largest brainlet subreddits who all pool together to game the system and extract as much value as possible.
seems like /twg/
The frick is this shit? Half a million developers and not a single post about programming.
>how to job plz
>how to wagecuck plz
>bloody banchod how to salary
It's all status to them. This is why there are zero successful Indian tech companies. You want to know the funniest thing about Indian tech? Their most highly valued startups (1B+) are all selling courses for people to get tech jobs. Their whole economy is a ponzi scheme.
>Their whole economy is a ponzi scheme
So you're saying durgasoft sir is...
>indians
>code
Choose one and only one.
Every immigrant group does this. It's part of the true reason why they're so much more successful than native-born Americans on particular measures. israeli people have them too. You saw so much teeth-gnashing about BLM because those are the types of social movements that birth these kinds of networks (as seen with the CRM leading to the Black Panthers which they had to break up with actual assassinations and bombings). At some point, you end up with white non-blue-bloods as the only people still actually buying into the "rugged individualism" psyop.
Indians at an American university got sloppy and one thing led to another. admins investigated ONE chegg account. 30+ Indians get clapped. Sucks when your opsec hygiene isn’t very far from your irl hygiene.
They learn it from jeets who learn it from other jeets, it just takes one jeet out of a billion up the line somewhere to figure these things out in the first place
Ethnicities protecting their own. It's the same everywhere except the Indians have taken too much of tech.
There's even an oracle lawsuit because of Indians discriminating against other ethnicities and lower castes.
H1B visas are such a fricking scam.
Finally a worthy opponent.
Jesus, i am south european and even my ethnicity can't reach this level of cronyism and nepotistic bullshit.
I am a neet no one will take me anyway.
You don't want them, anyhoo.
i need them since i need money to live
>Have morals
>stay unemployed
is what I got from this
My Job can't be automated and it can't be run by machines or AI. Feels good.
Amazon PIP is only 2 months?
>... computer engineering from India
Stopped reading right there.
this guy is probably depressed so he's being demeaning to himself and exaggerating
>competing against
This is 60% of who I work with
Holy fricking shit, do jeets really???
And here I'm a europoor doing leetcode like a homosexual instead of joining jeet groups and cheating to get into gayman on a visa.
Do I even have a chance tryharding like that?? I'm also a straight white dude to make the matters worse.
Let this be a lesson for you guys just starting out. Apart from being a filthy scab from India, this fellow was so afraid to fail and get fired that he ended up getting himself fired anyway. Had he the confidence that he would be able to figure things out, then he would have accepted the challenge and likely still be working at Amazon. It's almost always better to fail spectacularly than to be a coward.
considering he didn't actually know anything about tech and just cheated his way through, he was fricked from the start
skill issue, a degree doesn't tech you anything but it should give you the confidence that you can learn on the job. This jeet was just lazy and let an opportunity of a lifetime leech pass him by.
>a degree doesn't tech you anything
What shitty school did you go to? They won't teach you the latest flavor of the minute stack but you will learn basic underlying concepts that are more important and don't immediately become outdated.
Probably the poster that went to WGU
Likely some CC or, yes, an online uni. I basically taught myself everything when I was enrolled in WGU. It was hell.
Kind of funny how degree gays can't even into fizzbuzz while self-taught chads can do it in their sleep. It's almost as if memorizing abstract nebulous concepts doesn't really have any practical value.
Basic CS concepts absolutely are worth knowing. But most CS courses suck because making them easy and useless means more students to bilk.
It is
I get so many pajeets trying to connect to me on LinkedIn because they want to work in Japan or hire people to work in Japan
if they were good, they wouldnt have been cut. so fpbp.
>I have a Master's degree
>I hate my field
I think most people who have Master's degrees hate their field. Those who are passionate (aka insane) go on to their doctorate.
>fibs and fakes his way into a first world country and a good job despite knowing nothing
>constantly cheats through life and loopholes
honest to god this guy could find a living in being dishonest, there's a certain skill to being a complete sham that presents as a competent person, that's what his career should be.
All he has to do is say he's willing to work for $50K and he's back in.
>barely get mid position in current company
>its an agency so they rent me out to another company
>company is filled to brim with indians
>all indians are "seniors"
>they don't understand how classes work
>me as a mid do more work than 3 senior indians
kill me
>self admitted no coder
>coasts for 2 years before getting fired
swe really is a goldmine
could probably put it in his cv and do it again at another company
and people wonder why companies like AI so much kek
people are expensive and a risk
work from home basically exposed a lot of SWE/codemonkeys as lazy c**ts