This just replaced the Bible.
Imagine being a gown man and believing in ancient fairy tales and basing your entire life and moral system around that trash. How embarrassing.
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This just replaced the Bible.
Imagine being a grown man and believing science can say something about morality and values. Have redditors even heard about the is / ought distinction?
So I guess we should listen to the invisible magic israeli sky carpenter from 2,000 years ago instead.
Nice straw man you projected there. But I care neither for God nor religion. I believe you can only derive at moral truths through pure reason and reject your ridiculous proposal that observing the world can tell us something about how the world should be.
Science will do away with your religion, and there's nothing you can do about it. Science has replaced all aspects of your fake God.
I'm never sure if posts like this are trolling or not.
What did I say that isn't 100% true?
It isn't scientific of your to create a false dichotomy between science and religion. Science is a method of investigation. Religions is to address the mysteries and correct problems our ego cannot. Most giants in science held deep spiritual beliefs.
None of what you said is true, just cope. Religion doesn't answer anything, because no divine revelation from a God has ever been given to anyone. So it is all nonsense.
Why is it not true? Which answer from which religion do you disagree with?
There are no such things as gods. If you promote the idea of God, you are an enemy to the human race and all progress.
I promote the belief of whatever an individual believes. You don't believe in god, i'll die for your right to do so. Just don't be a stupid sheep and you'll always have support.
What do you mean by gods? Do you mean Deleuze's conception of god? Do you mean Carl Jung's concept of gods being reflection of inner words? Do you mean the eastern conception of god being the infinite facets of existence?
Beings that intelligently designed and have control over this universe and are aware of our existence and care about human affairs. That's not real.
Well that's exclusive to exoteric western fundamentalist Christianity and isn't representee of most of religion, especially how most classical Abrahamic theologians and philosophers thought of god and the universe and humanity's place in it. Imagine if I said all science is stupid because I didn't like the practice of physiognomy, which is essentially what you are doing.
You think we're going to let you lunatic religious fanatics be in charge any longer? You've done nothing but create misery and suffering for thousands of years. Your time is up.
Yeah this is just bait, my mistake.
Get the frick out of this thread. You are not welcome here. If you're an ally of religion, you are the enemy.
>Get the frick out of this thread. You are not welcome here. If you're an ally of religion, you are the enemy.
Not only are you the enemy, but you're on the losing side. Atheism is going to win, it already has. Nobody goes to church or reads the Bible anymore, just boomers that are quickly dying off.
You're overplaying your hand too hard, man
See this chart
There's nothing you can do to get Christianity's numbers to go back up. You're doomed. Eat shit.
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Is he the single person who has set back atheism as a serious intellectual position the furthest? It would have to be one of the horsemen.
>is / ought distinction
If I know Bob is a farmer, and I know what a farmer is, I know what Bob ought to do.
Next.
What is a woman?
adult female human
>If I know Bob is a farmer, and I know what a farmer is, I know what Bob ought to do.
But maybe Bob should stop being a farmer and start being crackhead hedonist or a monk devoted to help the poor.
You can not arrive at moral / valure judgements though empiricism. This principle is held by almost every philosopher and scientist for a reason.
I can certainly tell from observation that beings thrive and flourish under certain conditions, and wither and die under others. A plant flourishes when it has good earth, light, and water, because of the kind of thing that it is. The same applies to all living beings, just with greater complexity. You can try and be clever and say "WELL WHO SAYS WE OUGHT TO FLOURISH????", but that's moot since all humans by nature seek fulfillment anyway, no matter how ignorant and misguided they are in their pursuit.
So, I can easily exclude the option of Bob becoming a crackhead. If he should rather be a monk or a farmer depends on his traits and inclinations, neither is going to interfere with his objective oughts as a human being.
Some people flourish in hurting others. Is that what they ought to be?
Members of a social species don't flourish by hurting other members of their species, and some defectives getting a rush or a thrill out of mental illness or profound ignorance doesn't prove that wrong. Just like some dogs being born with three legs doesn't make it any less clear what a healthy dog is like.
>Members of a social species don't flourish by hurting other members of their species
Dude, male lions literally kill each other to take over the harem of the other.
Many humans flourish by harming other. One tribe wars with another and takes over their resources. Empiricism does only provide one "moral" law -- the law of the jungle.
Humans are tribal by nature, not cosmopolitan. You can't distinguish pro-social from anti-social use of force? And no, humans, having reason, don't get to pretend that they can't tell the difference between what does tend to happen and what ought to happen instead.
I thought stinking drunkard Hitchens was worse. His only argument in the end was that we have telescopes and microscopes--therefore progress wins. At least Harris attempts to make the case that we can systematically put ourselves together and act properly through daily practices--that is, live religiously while rejecting organized religion.
We will create a new moral system and our own paradise. No more waiting on rabbi Jesus to fly out of the sky and fix our problems. That loser is dead and never coming back, and soon his cult will be extinct, and then we can progress with AI and create all the things that liar promised but never delivered. Science has replaced God and the Bible.
God damn youre stupid.
God or Gods are unknowable and incomprehensible to humans.
You base your morals around what is right and just.
You're an even bigger moron than those youre whining about merely because youre a moron with no agency that needs someone else to dictate the "right course" for them. Kys already you waste of skin.
God isn't real, idiot. Once you learn to accept this, you can finally become a man.
God may or may not be real. It's impossible for humans to comprehend any "supreme beings". We're physically incapable of it.
The only validity your argument has is turning away from organised religion. Nobody should bend to anothers whims, especially those veiled in superstition.
>imagine being a gown man
Congratulations on your banal atheist-manboy-sticks-it-to-Christians pseud post. You may be a grown man, but what you've grown into is wholly embarrassing and without beauty.
libtard intellectuals and comedians are always debating a version of conservative that' was prominent when they were an edgy 14 year old. Sam Harris forever schooling Jerry Falwell. Hasan Piker forever pwning David Duke
pretty much sums it up
Yeah, I've noticed some of lefties, when asked what they think people on the right believe, describing Dubya-era neoconservatism. Very out of touch.