The rise of SJWs in the 2010s followed by BLM riots, woke capital and world war T, has turned everyone still awake and sane into /misc/. If you're concerned about seeing /misc/ everywhere, you are probably brain-damaged.
Is Mailer the most recent author to be old? I read Armies of the Night and it might as well be Dickens or Faulkner, its so far from contemporary thought or prose. His stylistic choices, the tone, the ideas, he's very much from a bygone era. Reading him requires mental time travel, allowances to be made, in a way not quite yet necessary for eg Philip Roth or McCarthy
Pretty good writer though. Some of the sentences were extraordinary, as good as anything by Faulkner or Pynchon
So according to you, Mailer writes in a completely contemporary idiom, and nothing about his prose choices signifies to you in any way that he is not current?
Not sure either of you have read him
your remark of >His stylistic choices, the tone, the ideas, he's very much from a bygone era
is completely hollow and useless. has nothing to do with the contents of the work at hand. you sound like a zoomer complaining that he's too difficult to read. in which case that's not my problem and you can promptly frick off from the thread because we don't need babbling noise from children
He was a contemporary or Roth and Bellow. He had his own style but he’s no more archaic than them.
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Bellow was 8 years older than Mailer
Mailer was 10 years older than Roth
That said I think Cormac comes across more archaic than either of them more because of a conscious choice on Cormac’s part
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't agree. Roth or Bellow are much closer to us in their register than something like this: >It is on this bleak scene that a phenomenon has appeared: the American existentialist-the hipster, the man who knows that if our collective condition is to live with instant death by atomic war, relatively quick death by the State as l'univers concentrationnaire, or with a slow death by conformity with every creative and rebellious instinct stifled (at what damage to the mind and the heart and the liver and the nerves no research foundation for cancer will discover in a hurry), if the fate of twentieth-century man is to live with death from adolescence to premature senescence, why then the only life-giving answer is to accept the terms of death, to live with death as immediate danger, to divorce oneself from society, to exist without roots, to set out on that uncharted journey with the rebellious imperatives of the self.
This is closer to the Victorians than anything you might read in the New Yorker today
Bellow was 8 years older than Mailer
Mailer was 10 years older than Roth
That said I think Cormac comes across more archaic than either of them more because of a conscious choice on Cormac’s part
Cormac comes across very much as a contemporary trying to sound like an old timer rather than an actual old timer, Peter Ackroyd does the same thing in eg Hawksmoor
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that quote
Jesus, what an insufferable c**t. The 1960s and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bellow could write some epic sentences as well.
I am an American, Chicago born – Chicago, that somber city – and go at things as I have taught myself, free-style, and will make the record in my own way: first to knock, first admitted; sometimes an innocent knock, sometimes a not so innocent. But a man's character is his fate, says Heraclitus, and in the end there isn't any way to disguise the nature of the knocks by acoustical work on the door or gloving the knuckles.
I don't know about what the book is about really but I too sometimes feel like I'm a white Black person, I don't really know why but probably because I find the concept of a white skin Black person to be silly and funny.
you know, I realize now that ultimately what makes you a Black is the hair and the nose. Even if you were white skinned, if you have the nose and hair you'd still be a Black.
Over and over Mailer just seems like a moron compared to Vidal. I don't think there was ever a point where Mailer got the better of him in their feud. Not to mention Burr and Julian are both better than anything Mailer ever wrote.
naked and the dead was alright, executioner's song is boring as frick, ancient evenings is incoherent dogshit. an american dream is great and harlot's ghost is his masterpiece and one of the greatest works of the century. as for mailer himself, he was a short angry israelite that more than likely used
machismo to cover up the fact that he was gay. he hated gore vidal cos he was handsome and unapologetically homosexual and got blown tf out on the dick cavett show. he tried to make "hip" white and got blown tf out by james baldwin. he got the shit beat out of him by rip torn on the set of his own movie. all in all he was probably the most pathetic figure in 20th century literary history
Is this about Eminem, or Bill Clinton?
It's about the Quebeckers
i miss old IQfy. i hate this new IQfy full of /misc/troons
/misc/ website
The rise of SJWs in the 2010s followed by BLM riots, woke capital and world war T, has turned everyone still awake and sane into /misc/. If you're concerned about seeing /misc/ everywhere, you are probably brain-damaged.
>just accept the new reality bro!
exactly what a /misc/troon would say
>replying to bait
>replying to replying to bait
>2012-newbie calling out 2016-newbies
He just liked purple drank and reefer and didn’t want to work a day job
He toned it down a little and settled for larping as an Irishman
>violence is good when I do it
What a c**t.
literally me
Is Mailer the most recent author to be old? I read Armies of the Night and it might as well be Dickens or Faulkner, its so far from contemporary thought or prose. His stylistic choices, the tone, the ideas, he's very much from a bygone era. Reading him requires mental time travel, allowances to be made, in a way not quite yet necessary for eg Philip Roth or McCarthy
Pretty good writer though. Some of the sentences were extraordinary, as good as anything by Faulkner or Pynchon
Shit Zoomers say
God help that generation
So according to you, Mailer writes in a completely contemporary idiom, and nothing about his prose choices signifies to you in any way that he is not current?
Not sure either of you have read him
your remark of
>His stylistic choices, the tone, the ideas, he's very much from a bygone era
is completely hollow and useless. has nothing to do with the contents of the work at hand. you sound like a zoomer complaining that he's too difficult to read. in which case that's not my problem and you can promptly frick off from the thread because we don't need babbling noise from children
He was a contemporary or Roth and Bellow. He had his own style but he’s no more archaic than them.
Bellow was 8 years older than Mailer
Mailer was 10 years older than Roth
That said I think Cormac comes across more archaic than either of them more because of a conscious choice on Cormac’s part
I don't agree. Roth or Bellow are much closer to us in their register than something like this:
>It is on this bleak scene that a phenomenon has appeared: the American existentialist-the hipster, the man who knows that if our collective condition is to live with instant death by atomic war, relatively quick death by the State as l'univers concentrationnaire, or with a slow death by conformity with every creative and rebellious instinct stifled (at what damage to the mind and the heart and the liver and the nerves no research foundation for cancer will discover in a hurry), if the fate of twentieth-century man is to live with death from adolescence to premature senescence, why then the only life-giving answer is to accept the terms of death, to live with death as immediate danger, to divorce oneself from society, to exist without roots, to set out on that uncharted journey with the rebellious imperatives of the self.
This is closer to the Victorians than anything you might read in the New Yorker today
Cormac comes across very much as a contemporary trying to sound like an old timer rather than an actual old timer, Peter Ackroyd does the same thing in eg Hawksmoor
>that quote
Jesus, what an insufferable c**t. The 1960s and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Bellow could write some epic sentences as well.
I am an American, Chicago born – Chicago, that somber city – and go at things as I have taught myself, free-style, and will make the record in my own way: first to knock, first admitted; sometimes an innocent knock, sometimes a not so innocent. But a man's character is his fate, says Heraclitus, and in the end there isn't any way to disguise the nature of the knocks by acoustical work on the door or gloving the knuckles.
Incredible insight into Polish mind.
I don't know about what the book is about really but I too sometimes feel like I'm a white Black person, I don't really know why but probably because I find the concept of a white skin Black person to be silly and funny.
>what is Social Emotional Emulation
read jung on americans.
I think it's because I find silly and funny to call myself a white skin Black person
you know, I realize now that ultimately what makes you a Black is the hair and the nose. Even if you were white skinned, if you have the nose and hair you'd still be a Black.
The most entertaining thing Norman Mailer ever did was punch out Gore Vidal.
>once again, words fail Norman Mailer
Over and over Mailer just seems like a moron compared to Vidal. I don't think there was ever a point where Mailer got the better of him in their feud. Not to mention Burr and Julian are both better than anything Mailer ever wrote.
naked and the dead was alright, executioner's song is boring as frick, ancient evenings is incoherent dogshit. an american dream is great and harlot's ghost is his masterpiece and one of the greatest works of the century. as for mailer himself, he was a short angry israelite that more than likely used
machismo to cover up the fact that he was gay. he hated gore vidal cos he was handsome and unapologetically homosexual and got blown tf out on the dick cavett show. he tried to make "hip" white and got blown tf out by james baldwin. he got the shit beat out of him by rip torn on the set of his own movie. all in all he was probably the most pathetic figure in 20th century literary history