thoughts on this hemingwayapp? I've seen it recommended a few times by writers but I'm not convinced.
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thoughts on this hemingwayapp? I've seen it recommended a few times by writers but I'm not convinced.
I use it and I’m published. My writing earns me enough money to barely make a living
Good for you. I guess I'll keep it in mind then and at least attempt to use it.
I'm still waiting for faulknerapp
I just tried it out. The AI suggestions are god awful but it could be useful for pointing out basic mistakes
ah yes hemmingway, that guy who's celebrated for his prose
Pretty renown as a prose stylist so I’m not sure what you’re getting at..
>AI mandated slop
lmao
AI isn't necessary
You would be better served by putting in the time to better understand the language in which you write. It has improved over the years and has moved passed being a glorified grammar check against a style guide but still is rather simplistic and does not understand basic things like a question mark or exclamation point not necessarily signifying the end of a sentence and has almost no understanding of context so can fail to identify proper word and even voice. I have tested it over the years of Gass' big sentence from On Being Blue, on the last try it completely choked still.
The big issue is that it still pushes for simplicity and trying to get people to write like Hemingway, but even with AI help it has a long ways to go to be able to identify style.
lol, Gass is rated poor and suggested he should aim for a 9th grade reading level while OP get a Good for being 6th grade.
You run your work through an AI then submit it to a literary agent who runs it through another AI and then the publisher runs it through yet another AI and all of the email communication is AI
i've seen a lot of slopwriting hacks use this super-simplified moron style like a children's book, "he stood up. he turned to the door. she was standing there. she had a hat on." is that because some homosexual app highlighted every sentence with more than one clause as a "mistake" and "too hard to read"?
no that's just how many naturally write.
i refuse to believe that, these people use more complex sentences in their actual everyday speech and internet posts, so why would they simplify their fiction writing so much unless an app or some moronic self-help book told them that all long sentences are bad?
Almost no one uses sentences in their everyday speech beyond simple responses, at least not of the written sort. Sentences are a written convention, a way to make up for the loss of auditory and visual cues which are less efficient for the most part when it comes to verbal communication.
>nobody speaks in sentences
>by which i mean nobody speaks in written sentences
are you actually moronic? what point are you trying to make here?
People don't use complex sentences in their everyday speech as you asserted. We can often represent speech through complex sentences but when speaking we drop sentence structure for all but simple easy to convey ideas.
>People don't use complex sentences in their everyday speech as you asserted.
yes they absolutely do you actual unironic moronic person. they don't say
>i am john. this is my wife sheila. sheila works at the hospital. i married her ten years ago. ten years ago i worked at a company. that company made staplers.
they say
>hey i'm john and this is my wife sheila who, uh, works at the hospital, i married her ten years ago when i still worked at that one company, uhh, you might have heard of it, the one that made staplers
that's a "complex sentence," in that it's a bunch of clauses joined together, maybe not as elaborately as in a literary work but still. people naturally link clauses together into complex sequences, it's the first example that's unnatural and you would need to be actively going for it as a style to speak/write like that.
No, they say;
>heyimjohnandthisismywifesheliawhouhworksatthehospital imarriedhertenyearsagowhenistillworkedatthatoecompanyuhhyoumighthaveheardofitthethatmadestaplers
Which we can represent as a complex sentence or a series of simple sentences and we used to write out just as we spoke it with no spaces or punctuation. But written language evolved and we started creating punctuation, first the space was added to delineate words and then later we added the period and evolved the sentence. Verbal and written language are closely aligned for simple structures but separate quickly mostly because of written languages inability to hike its eyebrow.
>Which we can represent as a complex sentence or a series of simple sentences
no, you fricking moron, "and," "when" etc explicitly join the clauses together even when you remove punctuation, it is not a series of separate simple sentences, the clauses are logically joined. people said "and" and "when" and "that" and "which" whether or not they knew how to write or if their writing system had spaces and commas. illiterate people still speak in unambiguously complex sentences. i think you're just arguing to waste my time at this point
>i think you're just arguing to waste my time at this point
I am not arguing, stating simple facts. There is a reason written grammar can be summed up fairly well in a dozen odd pages while spoken grammar fills a thousand page book and still is seriously lacking. Start recording yourself in conversation with others, analyze the grammar, you will see.
Also, conjunctions are not innate to language and are often dropped in spoken language even by people with good grammar.
>good grammar
Oh so you write to collect grammer good boy points? I'm sure your powerpoints will be the envy of all the office.
All Italian literature reads exactly like rambling Italian people sound, with endless clauses and run-on sentences. And it reads a lot better thanks to being written naturally as one thinks and speaks and not the stilted prose of American hacks nor learned artifice of midwit language police.
This is moronic. There is nothing wrong with adverbs and certainly nothing wrong with the passive voice.
Anything written by Hemingway is rated poorly by this garbage.
At least it gets something right.
pic related is all you need to know about this garbage. it's not just bad for "serious" literature, it's terrible for evaluating even straightforward entertainment. literally the biggest commercial success in the history of the fricking novel but the moron app thinks the whole first page is WRONG and EXTREMELY HARD TO READ. you are a total mark if you use this shit
It's a compilation of midwit languague rules for business majors on how to write better business emails. Great for Betty's next powerpoint presentation, usless for any writing.
a perversion of literature
very useful
if you get red it means your prose is patrician
I knew this was Pynchon from the word maisonette.
Looks like bullshit. When you edit, you shouldn't be checking things off of a list, you should be concerned with the rhythm and the beauty of your prose. And also, Hemingway isn't the end all be all of prose. Imitating Hemingway is cringe.
If you use an app to edit your own writing you should be ashamed. Even if it works well and somehow doesn't have a negative effect on the writing, it encourages laziness.
it's fundamentally just stupid and a quintessential loser move. "i'm trying to learn X so i found a way to offload X onto an app." congratulations, you made yourself practice your desired skill less, what a victory