What he actually said >Jesus Christ Patrick, I know you hate foreigners, but why the hell did you attack that Lewis? Don't you know he's American, Psycho!
had never heard of book or movie until started browsing pol and kept seeing the checkem meme of Christian Bale, so watched the movie, skipping the brutal scenes, the business card scene is pretty cool, and the stereo scene, still have not watched the whole movie
good book, lot of food for thought on wall street individuals and their respective places in the grand scheme. there are some sections that take place over, maximum 3 seconds, where he describes thoughts unrelated to the topic at hand. between being asked a question and giving his answer he details his thoughts intricately as they come.
over 1/4 of the book is descriptions of attire
I don't think any of the violence is real, Patrick Batemen is just a fail son, daddy'a boy who needs the violent fantasies to feel special.
Better to be unique and evil than a boring average joe wall street douche. You can see it in how the characters who know Bateman treat him, hell his fricking girlfriend basically cheats right in front of him with his best friend and he's too pussy to say shit. He almost cries when somebody doesn't take his recommendation for diet coke and run, the implied gay cruises, etc.
I see it all the violence as a metaphor for the exploitation and violence the western world inflicted on developing countries in the post world war II era. The only reason all these useless wall street douches can have fancy food and expensive clothing and nice shit in their vacuous basic lives is through America's economic exploitation and subjugation of weaker countries.
Think the US supporting anti working uprisings in south america to keep fruit prices cheap, the 20th century is litered with examples of the US supporting horiffic violence from coups in argentina to the ousting of the democratic and liberal of Iran, to the wars and atrocities in vietnam, laos, cambodia.
It's this contrast between real world atrocities and the layers of fantasy become inextricably entangled until the difference between the appearence and the reality becomes deeply fragmented and convoluted.
>You can see it in how the characters who know Bateman treat him, hell his fricking girlfriend basically cheats right in front of him with his best friend and he's too pussy to say shit.
i have a different take on this in multiple ways. Bateman is not concerned about these intimate relationships, he doesn't care about women especially. it isn't about him being a cuck rather that maintaining a relationship with a woman is so beyond what he cares and thinks about at any given time. as well, he doesn't correct Carnes at the end when he calls Bateman a loser; Bateman is only concerned with proving to Carnes what he did. besides the point, Bateman is up front about his loveless relationship.
the idea that every character is interchangeable plays into this as well.
most people in the book at some point refer to someone and are referred to as the incorrect person. this adds to the fact that the intimate relationships don't matter and it's surface level hedonism, sex for pleasure, since who they are doesn't actually matter.
i do think the murders happened. my interpretation on the real estate agent & lawyer is that they're "in" on it, and to keep the illusion going that everyone is a normal businessman when in reality multiple people can be inferred to be psychopaths like Bateman, that could have lawyers covering for them. the real estate agent (janitor) catches him in a lie and tells him its in his best interests to leave, because this isn't Paul Owen's apartment, and despite Bateman not knowing it yet, how can it be for sale if Owen is dead? later, Carnes misidentifies him under multiple names (Davis and Donaldson, maybe I am misinterpreting the use of a first and last name at different times) in one scene despite being given clarification, "I am Patrick Bateman." i believe this is plausible deniability.
the lawyer was "in London with Paul Owen". is the Paul Owen in London the real Paul Owen and Bateman imagined the murders? Is Carnes covering for Bateman, and met with someone he intentionally "mistook" for Owen? Is Carnes genuinely mistaking someone else for Owen in London because all men in suits are interchangeable? the bottom line is that it doesn't matter because they can all be inferred to commit the same psychotic acts.
additional random notes being "I have to return some videotapes" being an excuse used by not just Bateman to leave suddenly (did he simply mimic it from someone?), and the note of an odd smudge on Price's forehead upon his return. also occurring to me now, Bateman saying his father's eyes in the family photo look weird - suits are interchangeable. is it really his father?
i love this book. it has so much room for interpretation and that benefits from there being no correct interpretation.
Desu? A ton of artless gore, not funny or insightful, and a waste of time.
Also if you’ve read one BEE book you’ve read them all. Disaffected upper class, gore, dissociation.
>"Patrick it's you! You're the American Psycho!"
didn't realize that line was taken word for word from the book
He didn't say that.
He did.
No he said "Its morbin time"
What he actually said
>Jesus Christ Patrick, I know you hate foreigners, but why the hell did you attack that Lewis? Don't you know he's American, Psycho!
I don't get how people can like a movie that title drops during the climax
I hate IQfy. You're all pedophiles.
never read it nor saw the movie
didnt want to be influenced as a
had never heard of book or movie until started browsing pol and kept seeing the checkem meme of Christian Bale, so watched the movie, skipping the brutal scenes, the business card scene is pretty cool, and the stereo scene, still have not watched the whole movie
good book, lot of food for thought on wall street individuals and their respective places in the grand scheme. there are some sections that take place over, maximum 3 seconds, where he describes thoughts unrelated to the topic at hand. between being asked a question and giving his answer he details his thoughts intricately as they come.
over 1/4 of the book is descriptions of attire
One of my favorite books
I don't think any of the violence is real, Patrick Batemen is just a fail son, daddy'a boy who needs the violent fantasies to feel special.
Better to be unique and evil than a boring average joe wall street douche. You can see it in how the characters who know Bateman treat him, hell his fricking girlfriend basically cheats right in front of him with his best friend and he's too pussy to say shit. He almost cries when somebody doesn't take his recommendation for diet coke and run, the implied gay cruises, etc.
I see it all the violence as a metaphor for the exploitation and violence the western world inflicted on developing countries in the post world war II era. The only reason all these useless wall street douches can have fancy food and expensive clothing and nice shit in their vacuous basic lives is through America's economic exploitation and subjugation of weaker countries.
Think the US supporting anti working uprisings in south america to keep fruit prices cheap, the 20th century is litered with examples of the US supporting horiffic violence from coups in argentina to the ousting of the democratic and liberal of Iran, to the wars and atrocities in vietnam, laos, cambodia.
It's this contrast between real world atrocities and the layers of fantasy become inextricably entangled until the difference between the appearence and the reality becomes deeply fragmented and convoluted.
>You can see it in how the characters who know Bateman treat him, hell his fricking girlfriend basically cheats right in front of him with his best friend and he's too pussy to say shit.
i have a different take on this in multiple ways. Bateman is not concerned about these intimate relationships, he doesn't care about women especially. it isn't about him being a cuck rather that maintaining a relationship with a woman is so beyond what he cares and thinks about at any given time. as well, he doesn't correct Carnes at the end when he calls Bateman a loser; Bateman is only concerned with proving to Carnes what he did. besides the point, Bateman is up front about his loveless relationship.
the idea that every character is interchangeable plays into this as well.
most people in the book at some point refer to someone and are referred to as the incorrect person. this adds to the fact that the intimate relationships don't matter and it's surface level hedonism, sex for pleasure, since who they are doesn't actually matter.
i do think the murders happened. my interpretation on the real estate agent & lawyer is that they're "in" on it, and to keep the illusion going that everyone is a normal businessman when in reality multiple people can be inferred to be psychopaths like Bateman, that could have lawyers covering for them. the real estate agent (janitor) catches him in a lie and tells him its in his best interests to leave, because this isn't Paul Owen's apartment, and despite Bateman not knowing it yet, how can it be for sale if Owen is dead? later, Carnes misidentifies him under multiple names (Davis and Donaldson, maybe I am misinterpreting the use of a first and last name at different times) in one scene despite being given clarification, "I am Patrick Bateman." i believe this is plausible deniability.
the lawyer was "in London with Paul Owen". is the Paul Owen in London the real Paul Owen and Bateman imagined the murders? Is Carnes covering for Bateman, and met with someone he intentionally "mistook" for Owen? Is Carnes genuinely mistaking someone else for Owen in London because all men in suits are interchangeable? the bottom line is that it doesn't matter because they can all be inferred to commit the same psychotic acts.
additional random notes being "I have to return some videotapes" being an excuse used by not just Bateman to leave suddenly (did he simply mimic it from someone?), and the note of an odd smudge on Price's forehead upon his return. also occurring to me now, Bateman saying his father's eyes in the family photo look weird - suits are interchangeable. is it really his father?
i love this book. it has so much room for interpretation and that benefits from there being no correct interpretation.
Why did he have such a hateboner for him? I also wonder if he really understood modern fiction and how not everyone can be another Tolstoy.
for a guy who could joke about israelites with jerry norm was a pretty big simp
elaborate on how he was a simp
Desu? A ton of artless gore, not funny or insightful, and a waste of time.
Also if you’ve read one BEE book you’ve read them all. Disaffected upper class, gore, dissociation.
A good book. Great at displaying the vapidity of rich yuppies, the soullessness of the lives they lead, and their fake copycattery.
>Thoughts?
I try not to.