>dude you need a super high IQ and understanding of philosophy to appreciate Zarathustra
Filtered by Nietzsche's vitalism. Zarathustra is his most literary work, which can be mystical at times just because it's a parody of thr Bible, but it's not the intellectual message that's the point -- rather it's a exhortation to live dangerously and courageously without the guilt of religious dogmas getting in your way.
Sensationalist lyrics to light a fire in the modern youth. It has a tone of great vitalism but in its rhetoric is ineffective on the sober truth seeker who seeks inner peace.
i heavily enjoyed the prologue but when the book became a series of commandments i tuned out. any other books which are written in the vein of the prologue?
Didn't like it as much as Nietzsche's other works. I appreciate the style he was going for, but I'd take Nietzsche's non-fiction philosophy over his philosophical narratives any day. I prefer BG&E and GoM because it feels like he's screaming and ranting at me most of the time.
Too many people miss the message. It's spelled out in the intro, the Christian hermit was right and Zarathustra was wrong. The rest of the book is literally him coping over the fact that the Christian hermit had infinitely more insight than the one who believed "God is dead"
The hermit is the only one Zarathustra respects. He says that god is now dead, but he knows how the real God was worth is the past. when he says "God is dead" is not a cringe atheist, he is adressing the fact that it's not working anymore, it stinks, and he's trying to find how the same thing for which the concept of god developed can now exists
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Thoughts ?
"On scripture" is an amazing paragraph.
It happens to me to open this book again sometimes: the Zarathustra has the ability to make the blood in your veins run again. And the air and the dance and the butterflies.
>Don't go down there bro you'll get mocked >wtf no I won't, let me just talk to them >*gets mocked* >nooooo how could this happen to meeeee
Thus Spake Zaruthustra is the story of a midwit who should've listened to Christ.
"He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart.
In the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but for that route thou must have long legs. Proverbs should be peaks, and those spoken to should be big and tall."
Will to Power is better imo after reading everything else. It's so much thicker than everything else he created and really elaborates on everything without leaving any blank spots, even though he never intended it to be published in the form it was. It still contains all of those thoughts he would've included in his final Transvaluation.
That's a myth. Only the title was composed by her, the rest was merely assembled in topical order by Nietzsche's friend Peter Gast. There's basically no more anti-Semitism in there than his other works so there's not even a reason to suspect she altered it. It even has his friendliest comment on the israelites in all of his works in the critique of religion in the first book.
Many of the most innovative features of the language and themes of Zarathustra were taken from Der Ring des Nibelungen.
>'Wotan’s relationship with Siegfried is something wonderful, like no other poetry in the world: love and enforced enmity and the desire for destruction. This is highly symbolic for the understanding of Wagner’s character: love for that which redeems, judges, and destroys; but splendidly perceived!'
>The confrontation between Zarathustra (as ‘Untergehender’) and his progeny, the ‘Übermensch’, appears as a free paraphrase of the confrontation between Wotan and his progeny, ‘the man of the future’, in Siegfried, Act III, where Wotan (in Wagner’s own words) rises to the tragic height of willing his own fall. Nietzsche’s attempt to improve on the scene he described as comparable to no other poetry in the world will be evident to the student in the long excursus of ‘Zarathustra’s Vorrede’, beginning
>'What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal. What can be loved in man is that he is a going-across and a going-down.'
>By availing himself of material culled from the dramatic climax of the trilogy, he prepares to deliver his own answer to the question propounded in both works.
Nietzsche while writing Zarathustra: >With this book I have stepped into a new Ring >Finally, if I am not completely mistaken about my future, it is through me that the best part of the Wagnerian enterprise will live on—and that’s what is almost droll about the affair. >I am better now and I even believe that Wagner's death was the most substantial relief that could have been given me just now. It was hard for six years to have to be the opponent of the man one had most reverenced on earth, and my constitution is not sufficiently coarse for such a position. After all it was Wagner grown senile whom I was forced to resist; as to the genuine Wagner, I shall yet attempt to become in a great measure his heir (as I have often assured Fräulein Malvida, though she would not believe it). >It's already beginning, what I prophesied for a long time, that in many pieces I will be R.W.'s heir.—
Ecce Homo: >Suppose I had christened my Zarathustra with a name not my own,—let us say with Richard Wagner's name,—the acumen of two thousand years would not have sufficed to guess that the author of Human, all-too-Human was the visionary of Zarathustra.
>Da treffen wir, wie die Hellenen in der dampfenden Erdspalte zu Delphi, auf den Mittelpunkt der grossen Welttragödie… Hier ist Alles erhabenes Grauen, nur in Räthseln ansprechbar. Seit jener Zeit, wo ich von der wundervollen Hohenschwangau-Woche nach München zurückkehrte, und bange Fragen über Unser Schicksal aufzuwerfen hatte, entstand mir, und verfolgt mich nun das Thema, das Uns sogleich beim Beginne dieses Aktes zu begrüssen hat, und Uns die Entscheidung, die letzte Frage, den letzten Willen des Weltengottes ankündigen soll.
>There we meet, like the Hellenes in the steaming chasm at Delphi, at the center of the great world tragedy... Here everything is sublime horror, only addressable in riddles. Since the time when I returned to Munich from the wonderful Hohenschwangau week and had to raise anxious questions about our fate, the theme has arisen and is now haunting me, which greets us immediately at the beginning of this act, and our decision, the last question, the last will of the world god will be announced.
The 'world god' here is modernity at its crucial juncture.
This was my intro to philosophy and lit after my teenage years of not reading a single book (some audiobooks thought). I thought it was great and that I got like 50% of it. I have now read the entire western philosophical canon (currently on Hegel) and now realize I only got like 10-20%. I will read it again after scopenhauer and some more by nietzsche (read twilight of the idols and the gay science).
Even though Nietzsche himself disawowed Hegel I see Hegelian thought in nietzsche as I read Hegel. He goes beyond him.
The poetic aesthetic is great and something I´ve come to treasure going through dry semi-buerocratic writers before. The irony of Hegel insisting on that philosophy has to be LIVING. But he writes kind of dry despite of this (not even close to Kant though).
Nietzsche in this sense is the inheretor of Hegel. He brings the living dialectic into being. Grounds himself in greek style (as hegel wrote: the circle comes to a close and starts again having learned the lesson of of previous cycle. I have not read Marx yet but my impression is that he is kind of dry as well. If I am correct in this udnerstanding it is Nietzsche, not Marx, who brings hegel into living being. From the potential/theoretic to the actual/practical.
The work in question is truly a great work. The depth and breadth, the poetics, the humoristic and smart irony (the invertation of platos cave for instance) and the great sense of critique is astonishing. Logos, eros, and eros in mythos(ical) and thymos(ical) clothing. One of the best reads ever imo.
Great post >Even though Nietzsche himself disawowed Hegel I see Hegelian thought in nietzsche as I read Hegel. He goes beyond him.
I feel similarly, Nietzsche's core idea of progressing and overcoming as a species are not altogether different from Hegel's idea of historical progress
lmao. To understand his work you have to be familiar with almost the entire canon. How is that even entry level. Sure his writing style is easy to set your teeth in but the substance is not.
Please explain how it is entry level.
>But gold and laughter – that he takes from the heart of the earth; for you should know – the heart of the earth is made of gold.’
When the fire hound heard this he could no longer stand to listen to me. Ashamed, he tucked in his tail and barked a feeble ‘bow-wow,’ then he crawled down into his cave.” >bow wow
Brilliant, the peak of philosophy
Life, including philosophy, is just an irl video game… you get XP, moves, tech trees, you name it. You gotta think about things in an abstracted way so you can beat the boss and get the gold rings. And it’s all a game, coz none of it matters in the end. You might respawn, you might not (if it’s on Ironman mode). It doesn’t make a difference. Boing. Boing. Wahoo. Wahee.
Not the one to start with, but damn fine work.
What do you recommend? I started it tonight and finished the prologue which I enjoyed
not him but Genealogy
Unless you're high IQ as frick you're not going to understand almost all of it without reading some of Neet's other shit
>dude you need a super high IQ and understanding of philosophy to appreciate Zarathustra
Filtered by Nietzsche's vitalism. Zarathustra is his most literary work, which can be mystical at times just because it's a parody of thr Bible, but it's not the intellectual message that's the point -- rather it's a exhortation to live dangerously and courageously without the guilt of religious dogmas getting in your way.
that's one of its messages
It's a pretty good midwit filter.
the prologue is absolute kino
Sensationalist lyrics to light a fire in the modern youth. It has a tone of great vitalism but in its rhetoric is ineffective on the sober truth seeker who seeks inner peace.
i heavily enjoyed the prologue but when the book became a series of commandments i tuned out. any other books which are written in the vein of the prologue?
Didn't like it as much as Nietzsche's other works. I appreciate the style he was going for, but I'd take Nietzsche's non-fiction philosophy over his philosophical narratives any day. I prefer BG&E and GoM because it feels like he's screaming and ranting at me most of the time.
moronic like everything else Fred wrote.
Too many people miss the message. It's spelled out in the intro, the Christian hermit was right and Zarathustra was wrong. The rest of the book is literally him coping over the fact that the Christian hermit had infinitely more insight than the one who believed "God is dead"
The hermit is the only one Zarathustra respects. He says that god is now dead, but he knows how the real God was worth is the past. when he says "God is dead" is not a cringe atheist, he is adressing the fact that it's not working anymore, it stinks, and he's trying to find how the same thing for which the concept of god developed can now exists
"On scripture" is an amazing paragraph.
It happens to me to open this book again sometimes: the Zarathustra has the ability to make the blood in your veins run again. And the air and the dance and the butterflies.
>It's spelled out in the intro, the Christian hermit was right and Zarathustra was wrong.
>Don't go down there bro you'll get mocked
>wtf no I won't, let me just talk to them
>*gets mocked*
>nooooo how could this happen to meeeee
Thus Spake Zaruthustra is the story of a midwit who should've listened to Christ.
"He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart.
In the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but for that route thou must have long legs. Proverbs should be peaks, and those spoken to should be big and tall."
The only book that i considered pure garbage.
The only book that i consider a perfect bible replacement
The only book that i considered gay as frick.
That would be "Gay Science", actually.
Will to Power is better imo after reading everything else. It's so much thicker than everything else he created and really elaborates on everything without leaving any blank spots, even though he never intended it to be published in the form it was. It still contains all of those thoughts he would've included in his final Transvaluation.
That book was written by his Nazi sister, or at least a large part of it. You liked a book written by a woman, suicide now.
That's a myth. Only the title was composed by her, the rest was merely assembled in topical order by Nietzsche's friend Peter Gast. There's basically no more anti-Semitism in there than his other works so there's not even a reason to suspect she altered it. It even has his friendliest comment on the israelites in all of his works in the critique of religion in the first book.
Many of the most innovative features of the language and themes of Zarathustra were taken from Der Ring des Nibelungen.
>'Wotan’s relationship with Siegfried is something wonderful, like no other poetry in the world: love and enforced enmity and the desire for destruction. This is highly symbolic for the understanding of Wagner’s character: love for that which redeems, judges, and destroys; but splendidly perceived!'
>The confrontation between Zarathustra (as ‘Untergehender’) and his progeny, the ‘Übermensch’, appears as a free paraphrase of the confrontation between Wotan and his progeny, ‘the man of the future’, in Siegfried, Act III, where Wotan (in Wagner’s own words) rises to the tragic height of willing his own fall. Nietzsche’s attempt to improve on the scene he described as comparable to no other poetry in the world will be evident to the student in the long excursus of ‘Zarathustra’s Vorrede’, beginning
>'What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal. What can be loved in man is that he is a going-across and a going-down.'
>By availing himself of material culled from the dramatic climax of the trilogy, he prepares to deliver his own answer to the question propounded in both works.
Nietzsche while writing Zarathustra:
>With this book I have stepped into a new Ring
>Finally, if I am not completely mistaken about my future, it is through me that the best part of the Wagnerian enterprise will live on—and that’s what is almost droll about the affair.
>I am better now and I even believe that Wagner's death was the most substantial relief that could have been given me just now. It was hard for six years to have to be the opponent of the man one had most reverenced on earth, and my constitution is not sufficiently coarse for such a position. After all it was Wagner grown senile whom I was forced to resist; as to the genuine Wagner, I shall yet attempt to become in a great measure his heir (as I have often assured Fräulein Malvida, though she would not believe it).
>It's already beginning, what I prophesied for a long time, that in many pieces I will be R.W.'s heir.—
Ecce Homo:
>Suppose I had christened my Zarathustra with a name not my own,—let us say with Richard Wagner's name,—the acumen of two thousand years would not have sufficed to guess that the author of Human, all-too-Human was the visionary of Zarathustra.
Wagner on act 3 of Siegfried:
>Da treffen wir, wie die Hellenen in der dampfenden Erdspalte zu Delphi, auf den Mittelpunkt der grossen Welttragödie… Hier ist Alles erhabenes Grauen, nur in Räthseln ansprechbar. Seit jener Zeit, wo ich von der wundervollen Hohenschwangau-Woche nach München zurückkehrte, und bange Fragen über Unser Schicksal aufzuwerfen hatte, entstand mir, und verfolgt mich nun das Thema, das Uns sogleich beim Beginne dieses Aktes zu begrüssen hat, und Uns die Entscheidung, die letzte Frage, den letzten Willen des Weltengottes ankündigen soll.
>There we meet, like the Hellenes in the steaming chasm at Delphi, at the center of the great world tragedy... Here everything is sublime horror, only addressable in riddles. Since the time when I returned to Munich from the wonderful Hohenschwangau week and had to raise anxious questions about our fate, the theme has arisen and is now haunting me, which greets us immediately at the beginning of this act, and our decision, the last question, the last will of the world god will be announced.
The 'world god' here is modernity at its crucial juncture.
This was my intro to philosophy and lit after my teenage years of not reading a single book (some audiobooks thought). I thought it was great and that I got like 50% of it. I have now read the entire western philosophical canon (currently on Hegel) and now realize I only got like 10-20%. I will read it again after scopenhauer and some more by nietzsche (read twilight of the idols and the gay science).
Even though Nietzsche himself disawowed Hegel I see Hegelian thought in nietzsche as I read Hegel. He goes beyond him.
The poetic aesthetic is great and something I´ve come to treasure going through dry semi-buerocratic writers before. The irony of Hegel insisting on that philosophy has to be LIVING. But he writes kind of dry despite of this (not even close to Kant though).
Nietzsche in this sense is the inheretor of Hegel. He brings the living dialectic into being. Grounds himself in greek style (as hegel wrote: the circle comes to a close and starts again having learned the lesson of of previous cycle. I have not read Marx yet but my impression is that he is kind of dry as well. If I am correct in this udnerstanding it is Nietzsche, not Marx, who brings hegel into living being. From the potential/theoretic to the actual/practical.
The work in question is truly a great work. The depth and breadth, the poetics, the humoristic and smart irony (the invertation of platos cave for instance) and the great sense of critique is astonishing. Logos, eros, and eros in mythos(ical) and thymos(ical) clothing. One of the best reads ever imo.
Great post
>Even though Nietzsche himself disawowed Hegel I see Hegelian thought in nietzsche as I read Hegel. He goes beyond him.
I feel similarly, Nietzsche's core idea of progressing and overcoming as a species are not altogether different from Hegel's idea of historical progress
>Nietzsche
into the trash it goes
filtered
cant get any more entry level than Nietzsche
lmao. To understand his work you have to be familiar with almost the entire canon. How is that even entry level. Sure his writing style is easy to set your teeth in but the substance is not.
Please explain how it is entry level.
pretentious pleb
One of the greatest books ever written
i love overcooming
>But gold and laughter – that he takes from the heart of the earth; for you should know – the heart of the earth is made of gold.’
When the fire hound heard this he could no longer stand to listen to me. Ashamed, he tucked in his tail and barked a feeble ‘bow-wow,’ then he crawled down into his cave.”
>bow wow
Brilliant, the peak of philosophy
About what?
the prologue is just something ells.
why do people talk like zarathustras a book. There there is prologue and then metamorphosis and the rest of the book is him strutting on other priests
Life, including philosophy, is just an irl video game… you get XP, moves, tech trees, you name it. You gotta think about things in an abstracted way so you can beat the boss and get the gold rings. And it’s all a game, coz none of it matters in the end. You might respawn, you might not (if it’s on Ironman mode). It doesn’t make a difference. Boing. Boing. Wahoo. Wahee.
Anyone else here read Graham Parkes translation? I prefer it over Kafumann's, more straightforward and gets the meaning across instantly
Do you think Zarathustra says the N-word?