"To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."
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"To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."
>Whitest black man who ever lived
>says the most moronic shit
why does he do it?
>Whitest black man
that's MJ
Kek
...but enough about Cassius Clay!
So you admit hate speech is violence and not free speech?
yes, we just disagree on what content makes something hate speech.
>read picrel
>realize Douglass was one of the most unbelievably insufferable bastards ever and left his black wife with the kids to frick some white woman
It’s really fricking hard to care about black history when he and Dubois are held up higher than Booker T.
Based Booker T. Washington admirer
Are they held up higher? Some of the founding fathers slept with slaves. No one is perfect.
>some
Say his name
>Are they held up higher?
Dubois isn’t well known by the average person, but Booker has been given the “Uncle Tom” treatment while Douglass and Dubois are considered “le heckin based equal rights champions”. The subtitle of Blight’s book, “prophet of freedom” says it all. Douglass didn’t really do shit besides give some speeches while Washington was out there having lunch with TR and founded a whole university.
This is probably going to make me come off as a /misc/gay, but Booker T had it right when he actually lifted black folks up by educating them instead of just demanding gibs and freedumbs like Douglass
>”There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Black race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Black to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” - Booker T. Washington
We both agree Booker was better but I don't think it was a competition, either.
>but I don't think it was a competition, either.
Who said it was?
>Booker T had it right when he actually lifted black folks up by educating them
False. He did nto want Black to be educated past minimal roles. He basically wanted them to take up low labour jobs while all the whites got the good ones and not even whites kept their side of the deal.
The Talented Tenths worked better a strategy because you NEED elites and folks who are up top to help with representation and giving out a voice.
and Booker T;s methods were not able ot produce adequate shifts in status due to how Southern politics and society operated which is why he secretly backed court challenges to segregation and to restrictions on voter registration
>and Booker T;s methods were not able ot produce adequate shifts in status
Neither did Douglass’s or Dubois’
Hell, the NAACP’s chimpout over trying to ban Birth of a Nation did more to hurt their cause than the film itself
>Dubois’
Being able to produce the organizations and structures to help with Black advocacy did a lot of work. Turns out poltical work goes pretty damn far.
>The Talented Tenths worked better a strategy
Barely. All they did was nag white people enough that they finally said “frick it, if it will shut the Black folk up finally we’ll give them some basic rights”. Outside of that they haven’t achieved anything. Booker’s minimal education goal would have at least put an economic foundation down and done more to keep black folks out of utter poverty. Like I said, a fricking white man GAVE them their biggest win and MLK Jr. turned around and spit in his face to ape out over ‘Nam
>All they did was nag white people enough that they finally said “frick it, if it will shut the Black folk up finally we’ll give them some basic rights”.
You are being pretty dishonest about it. Especially when many Southerner supporters on Booker's side switched because of little societal changes being made.
>Outside of that they haven’t achieved anything
Lmao
>Booker’s minimal education goal would have at least put an economic foundation down and done more to keep black folks out of utter poverty.
Nah Whties constantly pressured blacks out of those good jobs and Southern society constantly reneged on Black education
>Like I said, a fricking white man GAVE them their biggest win and MLK Jr. turned around and spit in his face to ape out over ‘Nam
No one like Vietnam.
>You are being pretty dishonest about it
Show me how much progress blacks made before Johnson passed the civil rights, housing and voting rights act compared to afterward
>Nah Whties constantly pressured blacks out of those good jobs and Southern society constantly reneged on Black education
And nothing changed until the white man made it illegal for whites to do so
>No one like Vietnam.
That’s not the point moron. Johnson handed MLK everything he could have wanted and rather than accept it and go further with him he turned on Johnson for the sake of some jungle chinks half the world over
>how much progress blacks made before Johnson passed the civil rights, housing and voting rights act compared to afterward
you have a really weird idea of history. Like "great man" theory turned up to 11.
Not an argument. Answer the question
civil rights, housing and voting rights act were only achievable after decades of incremental changes and advocacy anon.
>Johnson handed MLK everything he could have wanted and rather than accept it and go further with him
MLK isn't his b***h and he isn't bound to supporting Vietnam despicably when Black Veterans have antisocially been mistreated by the state and citizenry.
>And nothing changed until the white man made it illegal for whites to do so
and that required a lot of protests, pressure and cooperation between government entity and folk. The idea that somehow one guy out of nowhere did all this work is batshit moronic.
>decades of incremental changes
What changes?
It only happened because Johnson strong-armed the legislation through Congress in a way no other president would/could
>MLK isn't his b***h and he isn't bound to supporting Vietnam
Cope harder. What King did was a back-stabbing dick move and you know it. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut, or better yet, use that energy to fight the riots breaking out in the cities. The cities whose problems were literally the next major object on Johnson’s list of things to try and fix. Like I said, King threw it all away for the sake of some jungle chinks and got his ass shot as a result
>despicably when Black Veterans have antisocially been mistreated
Irrelevant. Whities being racist is something that will never change
>The idea that somehow one guy out of nowhere did all this work is batshit moronic.
That’s not what I said and you know it. Stop trying to dodge my argument by being a disingenuous little c**t
>Congress in a way no other president would/could
That wasn't exceptional to him. Eisenhower was the one who sent troops to Little rock, Arkansas anon.
>All he had to do was keep his mouth shut, or better yet, use that energy to fight the riots breaking out in the cities. The cities whose problems were literally the next major object on Johnson’s list of things to try and fix.
the Vietnam war (20 years) was pretty bad and having a war where a lot of it hinged on sending middle/low class males to a war that many upper class people dodged in various ways was not good.
>Like I said, King threw it all away for the sake of some jungle chinks and got his ass shot as a result
What?
>Irrelevant. Whities being racist is something that will never change
So trying to use push the war won't work. MLK should not feel bound to being LBJ's lackey.
>Eisenhower was the one who sent troops to Little rock, Arkansas
No shit. But that was for one school, in the Deep South.
>the Vietnam war (20 years) was pretty bad and having a war where a lot of it hinged on sending middle/low class males to a war that many upper class people dodged in various ways was not good
Again, irrelevant to the discussion at hand. If you’re just going to keep dodging I’m done here.
>What?
Go take a middleschool history class holy shit
>So trying to use push the war won't work. MLK should not feel bound to being LBJ's lackey.
Jesus christ you’re actually illiterate, huh?
what point are you trying to get at? LBJ wasn't even the sole guy trying to help push the CRM
But you know, there was a modest black middle class pre-civil rights era and some entrepreneurship. That all vanished in the apocalypse of the late 60s and left only ruined ghettos where nothing but crime could be produced.
>That all vanished in the apocalypse of the late 60s
[event never happened outside of anons wet dreams]
I'm not kidding. The race riots of the 60s were absolutely devastating. They reduced whole cities to rubble.
>They reduced whole cities to rubble.
0/10 got me to reply
>Booker’s minimal education goal would have at least put an economic foundation down
and he got fricked over by that. Espcialyl when Southern schools refused to provide equal schooling and job discrimination
if blacks had any motivation at all they would have built their own schools. Most "Historically Black Colleges" were built with white money.
>tfw gentrification is just white people returning to towns that were built by white people long ago.
yeah pretty much, all those houses blacks live in are buildings white people built 60-100 years ago
>blacks had any motivation at all they would have built their own schools
Which they did.
>Most "Historically Black Colleges" were built with white money.
That was not white money lol. Also Blacks often had to pay into the system yet receive little out if it despite seperate but equal bring law. State taxes from whites and blacks was supposed to fund both equally yet there was a huge gap. Hell technically whites have no obligation to build seperate accomodations for Blacks yet inky one white kid could show up in a black area and they'd have to build a school for that sole kid. States have lost trials they've been taken to court over because they failed to provide equal accomodations for both races in higher education since blacks had to to white law schools when the state refused to build one.
Wasn't Du Bois's problem with Washington is that he saw Washington's program as too liberal, in that it was only educating a section of blacks as elites while not dealing with deeper problems of capitalism?
The irony of white conservative right wingers weaponizing that quote while believing white replacement theory or reverse racism will never not be funny to me.
I have no idea what schizo babble you're trying to make, anon.
>t. clinically moronic
Like anyone takes YOU, a lib, seriously
Holy seethe
It's no secret that whites are being replaced whether intentionally or because of voter importations. You progs have this celebration parallax where you will consider something good and true or bad and spurious based on who is saying it and how they are saying it.
>It's no secret that whites are being replaced
Found the /misc/cel
Tyrone steal the girl you never had the balls to ask to prom or what?
found the moroncel(and phoneposter)
You people will simultaneously think that to say there is a Great Replacement is heresy while also throw a tantrum when someone says the Replacement is anything but great. Now stop pretending demographics don't exist and go help your mother clean up or something.
>found the moroncel(and phoneposter)
Absolutely seething
>You people
>nnnooooo!!! you can’t just disagree with my moronic schizo babble!!! rrrreeeeeeeee!!!
Just pay for sex already holy shit
Listen man, if you are so insecure about your virginity the last thing you should do is project it on others. Also, stop pretending demographics don't exist, you are shitting yourself. You can disagree with truths, just don't expect people not to call out your moronation
lmfao that
>you people
comment really made you asshurt huh? Cry harder Black person/Black person worshipper
Bro you the last people to b***h about being replace considering your history with Natives and the fact we were 20% of the pop in the 60s your policies decreased and destroy the community, we're still 12% of the country, I believe we will still be 12% in 2040, can't say the same about you timmy.
>Booker T.
That guy literally tried to negotiate with white and honestly thought it would work. The Atlanta Compromise failed
"Just work hard and the Whites will accept you guys I swear"
He's a cuck, but he had no idea how bad things would get.
What do you mean?
>just demanding gibs has gotten the black man so much farther in white society
Their greatest win was handed to them by a white man from some shithole part of rural Texas lmfao Booker T was right in the end
>That guy literally tried to negotiate with white and honestly thought it would wor
In the end it was some type of negotiatin. You think black americans ever had the clout or the wealth to force white people to treat them as equals? The federal government wanted to defuse racial problems and bring 13 percent of the popoulation that was separate into the economy, reducing the chance for any sort of soviety interference. Dubois was no better at obtaining black rights than booker t
>Dubois was no better at obtaining black rights than booker t
Booker T basically gave up because the whites he tried negotiating with were rioting non stop or rejecting compromise. that's why you had the red Summer or the Tulsa Riots.
>Greenwood was a district in Tulsa that was organized in 1906 following Booker T. Washington's 1905 tour of Arkansas, Indian Territory and Oklahoma. It was a namesake of the Greenwood District which Washington had established as his own district in Tuskegee, Alabama, five years earlier. Greenwood became so prosperous that it came to be known as "the Black Wall Street" (now commonly referred to as "the Black Wall Street"). Most Black people lived together in the district. Black Americans had created their own businesses and services in this enclave, including several grocers, two newspapers, two movie theaters, nightclubs, and numerous churches. Black professionals, including doctors, dentists, lawyers, and clergy, served their peers. During his trip to Tulsa in 1905, Washington encouraged the co-operation, economic independence and excellence being demonstrated there. Greenwood residents selected their own leaders and raised capital there to support economic growth. In the surrounding areas of northeastern Oklahoma, they also enjoyed relative prosperity and participated in the oil boom.
>that's why you had the red Summer or the Tulsa Riots.
you had the tulsa riots because a bunch of black ppl showed up armed outside a courthouse and fired on whites, nice try
Crazy how you never hear about how the nigs were the instigators
>another alt history from confederates.
literally do five minutes of research on this. also hilarious that you should mention alt history in regard to this topic, because its one actual mainstream "scholars" are putting on clown noses. theyve been trying to justify a body count of hundreds and taking every single witness at his word for decades now, but still haven't got the evidence they so badly want
Show us proof
>The federal government wanted to defuse racial problems
and either was wishy-washy on it or let states do what they want.
>bring 13 percent of the popoulation that was separate into the economy, reducing the chance for any sort of soviety interference
Blacks were part of the economy, just as an underclass where the methods to gain a better economic footing was denied by state polices on education and labour rights.
Booker T from WWE?
Is there another Booker T?
>Douglass was one of the most unbelievably insufferable bastards ever and left his black wife with the kids to frick some white woman
based
Would he share the same sentiment if I started talking about my Asuka Futa x Femboy Shinji fanfic tho.
>my Asuka Futa x Femboy Shinji fanfic
Holy based
>
Weeblibs
BTW was pretty prescient when he said racial strife will never end so long as someone is able to exploit it for financial gain.
Based.
Booker T failed because he wasn't really a pragmatist, he was an idealist just like Dubois, both reached too far.
Turbo pragmatism was needed here, the goal was not to grovel for collective acceptance by whites or some kind of revolution, it was for tobacco farmers to move to the cities and work in the steel mills and manufacturing, to work at the back of restaurants, fight in the wars, hustle, hustle and hustle, tap dance for the white man like your life depends on it.
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