Tristero: underground, conspiratorial postal network, or just a big prank by one Pierce Inverarity?

Tristero: underground, conspiratorial postal network, or just a big prank by one Pierce Inverarity?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it was just some shit pynchon made up

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure OP means within the novel. It’s obviously made up but does it exist in the fictional universe of the book Crying of Lot 49 by T. Ruggles Pynchon or is it an elaborate hoax?

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would pierce even assume oedipa would care about them? why does she even care about them? there so much shit thats way worse than tristero in the world.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pierce understood Oedipa was far too inquisitve for her own good, he understood she wanted to "break the mold" around her, so to speak. She regards otherwise benign things as extremely poignant. She believes that there is--that there *ought* to be something grander than what she's got going on in her life, which is why she engages on her escapades with Inverarity in the first place, and Metzger to a smaller degree. And to her, at that point in American history, the fact that there's such a large operation unfurling at all times right underneath her nose is astounding to her, it's practically unprecedented in the (sheltered) world of the mid-to-late pre-Summer of Love 1960s. This, combined with the onset of some greater machinations turning into place a complete cultural paradigm shift a la the aforementioned Summer of Love, and Oedipa's entire worldview gets completely and inutterably shattered. It's because Tristero has such a rich history, and is apparently so commonplace that children recite its "tagline", and operates in the most inconspicious places, but is of such a voluminous and profound subtext (as well as the fact that apparently the man she doted over was wrapped up in it, among other operations (building the resort on top of actual human (mercenary) bones)) that Oedipa gets as wrapped up in it as she does.

      Like all of Pynchons le kookerino shadowy organizations its far too ill defined and tryhard ironic to even be worth attempting to decipher.

      Tristero is one of the most straightforward and easily comprehensible organizations to be able to get a proper understanding of. Think of it like a historical version of the dark web of today, and the muted horn signs are onion links.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >think of it like dark web
        Or worse, IQfy.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >She regards otherwise benign things as extremely poignant.
        tristero is neither that benign to where you could say oh its just oedipa being oedipa (like you've said they ARE everywhere and ARE involved in conspiracies) nor is it that menacing (especially compared to anything else going on in that period, some of which the "sheltered" public was aware of)
        >Oedipa's entire worldview gets completely and inutterably shattered.
        by something that isnt that big enough to where the reader would share or at least understand oedipas motivation to investigate or small enough to where it would paint oedipa as extraordinarily paranoid.

        the novel just fell flat for me tbh. seemed like the central thing wasnt strong enough so he puffed it up with a few quirky digressions.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lot 49 is more of a character study than a conventional Pynchonian supersprawl of conspiracies and histories entwined with one another like his other works. Tristero is also not exactly the central focus here. Again, it's Oedipa's fixation on Tristero and Inverarity's riddle (so to speak) that makes her none the wiser to the greater reconfigurations of the world around her, slowly unfurling itself and making the very foundations of Oedipa's beliefs and worldview get put into question both on a micro scale (her relationship with Inverarity, for example) and on a macro scale (what the changes that occur to Metzger and Mucho, as well as the playwright walking into the ocean and Dr. Hilarious's meltdown represent and are indicative of). Oedipa's uncovering and acknowledgment of Tristero as an entity puts all the conceptions she had of the world into question precisely because it is seemingly so benign, yet so representative of something larger and more malicious at play (Okay, people are using a secret mailing service (that's been around for hundreds of years by some cryptic necessity)... Why? And are there more entities like this? If it's so readily accessible to the greater world, is it not logical that there are other entities more dangerous and more obscure out there, working to their own ends? And who's to be trusted in this entire debacle? Is this entire debacle even a legitimate concern in the first place? What does the information age entail when it comes to truth and what it comprises?) while also completely flipping the world that she is currently living in and moving into (the world of tomorrow) being entirely uncertain, as if some actors are willing these changes by their own volition rather than having these things occur as natural progressions from their original forms. The paranoia inherent in Lot 49 stems from how scarce the number of answers out there are--and especially in the unseen and untold. If literally every single thing is able to be minutely traced back to some whiff of conspiracy, and may act as a forewarning of an entire paradigm shift that has already begun to take effect (to nobody but Oedipa's attention), I believe that is grounds enough to warrant captivation and investment into such a subject (both in regards to Oedipa and the reader). Even at a meta-contextual level, you could align Pierce and Oedipa as Pynchon and the reader respectively. It also serves as a brilliant cultural snapshot of the era immediately preceding the Summer of Love.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >yet so representative of something larger and more malicious at play
            not really tho. maybe its because modern readers know all the actual crazy shit that was going on back then but tristero is just lame compared to anything the government or cults were up to. but not lame enough to where i can see this as a character study of a woman who sees larger significance in lame things.
            >It also serves as a brilliant cultural snapshot of the era immediately preceding the Summer of Love.
            i didnt live through those times but im not sure if capturing the time is a possible (since its bound to be reductive) or an interesting goal.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i didnt live through those times but im not sure if capturing the time is a possible (since its bound to be reductive) or an interesting goal.
            You are literally living in an era at the very cusp of what could potentially be an inverse of the Summer of Love. The Summer of Love is not just some interesting cultural offshoot. It fundamentally changed how the entire world worked. The reason we live the way we do today is, in large part, due to that very phenomenon. One needs to look no further than Dr. Hilarius to see the connections with MKULTRA and other governmental conspiracies. They're all there, and in hindsight, it may seem obvious. But lest we forget that Watergate brought the nation to a standstill at the simplest notion that the government was spying on its citizens. Tristero's profundity is rooted in the questions it raises. It is a story about a conspiracy through the medium of a character study.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            the book takes place and was written before the summer of love. i dont think invoking it to this extent is relevant.
            >It fundamentally changed how the entire world worked
            eh, bit of a burgery remark. i dont care about the world beyond the book though. mk ultra and other conspiracies are interesting but tristero itself isnt. it just feels like pynchon couldnt think of anything better. the dr hilarius parts are interesting but coupled with the hints towards all the darker post wwii stuff it hints at it only serves to overshadow tristero.

            I'm not saying it's analogous to the dark web at all. I'm saying a modern example of how Tristero functions (in an extremely general and highly rudimentary manner) could be the dark web, except it's not. The dark web does not have a massive sprawling history thats affiliated with numerous different institutions and disciplines (such as stampmakers, playwrights, scientists (like Mike Fallopian and his troupe)), nor does it operate at the same level that Tristero does--to the point where even children recognize and recite its "slogan", or where the elderly grasp at anything with their dying breaths to maintain their sense of meaning and order in the world, as if some trust of the integrity of the world has been extinguished, desperately needing connection in an increasingly atomized and "darkened" world. If an affiliation with Tristero could bring someone to such despair and such misery, would it not logically follow that it's a void that's bound to take more of you than you meant to invest inside it in the first place? That said, the point is that alternative communication methods are integral components of a sustained through-line where typical modes of correspondence (in whatever context they may lie, with whichever subtext that they correspondingly hold within them) are incapable of measuring up due to the fact that they are deemed susceptible to corruption or too constricted or "stifled" for the proper maintenance of such communication. The fact that Tristero is taken so lightly in-universe (by basically everyone except Oedipa) and that you took my example of the dark web equally lightly proves MY point in full. People don't realize the actual depth of what's going on, or they just take it for granted, and some even invest themselves too much into it, letting it subsume and depersonalize them entirely.

            again all this is just very very mild stuff compared to real conspiracies that pynchon must have known about. its a fricking secret mail service.

            What are your guys' pynch rankings?

            IV

            [...]

            but has similar problems

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >written before the summer of love
            Pynchon's prescience. MKULTRA certainly wasn't public knowledge by 1965, either. That's the genius of it.
            Now that I think about it, maybe the real terror in the story is showcasing the government's influence and grander, more hidden machinations and juxtaposing it with the ineffectual and simplistic "secret services" of the general populace (Tristero). Maybe it's the fact that it's so surface-level that Oedipa paradoxically is able to lose herself in it while also being too much of a non-entity to be consequential on the greater "playing field" so to speak that makes the conspiracy so enthralling. A people's conspiracy vaguely outlining greater conspiracies by proxy.
            >bit of a burgery remark
            You'd have to be blind not to notice just how extensive the effects of the Summer of Love have been on the development of western cultures and attitudes, insomuch that even parts of the world entirely divorced from the west are intensely critical of (and actively violent against) western post-summer of love ideals and values (free love, secularism, "individualism", etc.).
            Anyways, Lot 49 is primarily a character study, and a conspiracy book second. Any way you cut it, there are things to evaluate. I like that.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao. The fact that you think Tristero is analogous to the dark web proves his point anon.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not saying it's analogous to the dark web at all. I'm saying a modern example of how Tristero functions (in an extremely general and highly rudimentary manner) could be the dark web, except it's not. The dark web does not have a massive sprawling history thats affiliated with numerous different institutions and disciplines (such as stampmakers, playwrights, scientists (like Mike Fallopian and his troupe)), nor does it operate at the same level that Tristero does--to the point where even children recognize and recite its "slogan", or where the elderly grasp at anything with their dying breaths to maintain their sense of meaning and order in the world, as if some trust of the integrity of the world has been extinguished, desperately needing connection in an increasingly atomized and "darkened" world. If an affiliation with Tristero could bring someone to such despair and such misery, would it not logically follow that it's a void that's bound to take more of you than you meant to invest inside it in the first place? That said, the point is that alternative communication methods are integral components of a sustained through-line where typical modes of correspondence (in whatever context they may lie, with whichever subtext that they correspondingly hold within them) are incapable of measuring up due to the fact that they are deemed susceptible to corruption or too constricted or "stifled" for the proper maintenance of such communication. The fact that Tristero is taken so lightly in-universe (by basically everyone except Oedipa) and that you took my example of the dark web equally lightly proves MY point in full. People don't realize the actual depth of what's going on, or they just take it for granted, and some even invest themselves too much into it, letting it subsume and depersonalize them entirely.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lot 49 is more of a character study than a conventional Pynchonian supersprawl of conspiracies and histories entwined with one another like his other works. Tristero is also not exactly the central focus here. Again, it's Oedipa's fixation on Tristero and Inverarity's riddle (so to speak) that makes her none the wiser to the greater reconfigurations of the world around her, slowly unfurling itself and making the very foundations of Oedipa's beliefs and worldview get put into question both on a micro scale (her relationship with Inverarity, for example) and on a macro scale (what the changes that occur to Metzger and Mucho, as well as the playwright walking into the ocean and Dr. Hilarious's meltdown represent and are indicative of). Oedipa's uncovering and acknowledgment of Tristero as an entity puts all the conceptions she had of the world into question precisely because it is seemingly so benign, yet so representative of something larger and more malicious at play (Okay, people are using a secret mailing service (that's been around for hundreds of years by some cryptic necessity)... Why? And are there more entities like this? If it's so readily accessible to the greater world, is it not logical that there are other entities more dangerous and more obscure out there, working to their own ends? And who's to be trusted in this entire debacle? Is this entire debacle even a legitimate concern in the first place? What does the information age entail when it comes to truth and what it comprises?) while also completely flipping the world that she is currently living in and moving into (the world of tomorrow) being entirely uncertain, as if some actors are willing these changes by their own volition rather than having these things occur as natural progressions from their original forms. The paranoia inherent in Lot 49 stems from how scarce the number of answers out there are--and especially in the unseen and untold. If literally every single thing is able to be minutely traced back to some whiff of conspiracy, and may act as a forewarning of an entire paradigm shift that has already begun to take effect (to nobody but Oedipa's attention), I believe that is grounds enough to warrant captivation and investment into such a subject (both in regards to Oedipa and the reader). Even at a meta-contextual level, you could align Pierce and Oedipa as Pynchon and the reader respectively. It also serves as a brilliant cultural snapshot of the era immediately preceding the Summer of Love.

        >i didnt live through those times but im not sure if capturing the time is a possible (since its bound to be reductive) or an interesting goal.
        You are literally living in an era at the very cusp of what could potentially be an inverse of the Summer of Love. The Summer of Love is not just some interesting cultural offshoot. It fundamentally changed how the entire world worked. The reason we live the way we do today is, in large part, due to that very phenomenon. One needs to look no further than Dr. Hilarius to see the connections with MKULTRA and other governmental conspiracies. They're all there, and in hindsight, it may seem obvious. But lest we forget that Watergate brought the nation to a standstill at the simplest notion that the government was spying on its citizens. Tristero's profundity is rooted in the questions it raises. It is a story about a conspiracy through the medium of a character study.

        I'm not saying it's analogous to the dark web at all. I'm saying a modern example of how Tristero functions (in an extremely general and highly rudimentary manner) could be the dark web, except it's not. The dark web does not have a massive sprawling history thats affiliated with numerous different institutions and disciplines (such as stampmakers, playwrights, scientists (like Mike Fallopian and his troupe)), nor does it operate at the same level that Tristero does--to the point where even children recognize and recite its "slogan", or where the elderly grasp at anything with their dying breaths to maintain their sense of meaning and order in the world, as if some trust of the integrity of the world has been extinguished, desperately needing connection in an increasingly atomized and "darkened" world. If an affiliation with Tristero could bring someone to such despair and such misery, would it not logically follow that it's a void that's bound to take more of you than you meant to invest inside it in the first place? That said, the point is that alternative communication methods are integral components of a sustained through-line where typical modes of correspondence (in whatever context they may lie, with whichever subtext that they correspondingly hold within them) are incapable of measuring up due to the fact that they are deemed susceptible to corruption or too constricted or "stifled" for the proper maintenance of such communication. The fact that Tristero is taken so lightly in-universe (by basically everyone except Oedipa) and that you took my example of the dark web equally lightly proves MY point in full. People don't realize the actual depth of what's going on, or they just take it for granted, and some even invest themselves too much into it, letting it subsume and depersonalize them entirely.

        Too much words

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Too *many* words, ESL-kun
          We're talking about postmodern literature. There's *gonna* be mucho (maas) texto.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Tristero
    Triste (Spanish for 'sad') + Cristero (Mexican Catholic rebel) ?

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like all of Pynchons le kookerino shadowy organizations its far too ill defined and tryhard ironic to even be worth attempting to decipher.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao filtered

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pynchon got filtered by me, sonny boy.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mom must be proud

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    i was too much of a brainlet to understand this book 🙁

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Start with the Greeks.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dont care about the fricking tristerinoooooos i just want the Couriers Tragedy to be made into a movie directed by mel gibson

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are your guys' pynch rankings?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      M/D is his masterpiece.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    you got filtered HARD. there's a clear third alternative that she's encountering a bunch of coincidences and basically inventing the conspiracy herself

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    she looks like me

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real mystery is when he's going to release his next fricking book we're WAITINGGG (captcha g0yw4)

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You sound insufferable.
    >You have to imagine Pynchon as Pierce
    --is literally what I said in

    Lot 49 is more of a character study than a conventional Pynchonian supersprawl of conspiracies and histories entwined with one another like his other works. Tristero is also not exactly the central focus here. Again, it's Oedipa's fixation on Tristero and Inverarity's riddle (so to speak) that makes her none the wiser to the greater reconfigurations of the world around her, slowly unfurling itself and making the very foundations of Oedipa's beliefs and worldview get put into question both on a micro scale (her relationship with Inverarity, for example) and on a macro scale (what the changes that occur to Metzger and Mucho, as well as the playwright walking into the ocean and Dr. Hilarious's meltdown represent and are indicative of). Oedipa's uncovering and acknowledgment of Tristero as an entity puts all the conceptions she had of the world into question precisely because it is seemingly so benign, yet so representative of something larger and more malicious at play (Okay, people are using a secret mailing service (that's been around for hundreds of years by some cryptic necessity)... Why? And are there more entities like this? If it's so readily accessible to the greater world, is it not logical that there are other entities more dangerous and more obscure out there, working to their own ends? And who's to be trusted in this entire debacle? Is this entire debacle even a legitimate concern in the first place? What does the information age entail when it comes to truth and what it comprises?) while also completely flipping the world that she is currently living in and moving into (the world of tomorrow) being entirely uncertain, as if some actors are willing these changes by their own volition rather than having these things occur as natural progressions from their original forms. The paranoia inherent in Lot 49 stems from how scarce the number of answers out there are--and especially in the unseen and untold. If literally every single thing is able to be minutely traced back to some whiff of conspiracy, and may act as a forewarning of an entire paradigm shift that has already begun to take effect (to nobody but Oedipa's attention), I believe that is grounds enough to warrant captivation and investment into such a subject (both in regards to Oedipa and the reader). Even at a meta-contextual level, you could align Pierce and Oedipa as Pynchon and the reader respectively. It also serves as a brilliant cultural snapshot of the era immediately preceding the Summer of Love.

    , you fricking moron. Like I said, there's no one direct way of going about interpreting Lot 49. Chalking it up to "hurr Pynchon's imagination sure is whacky" is a prime indication of just how fricking hopelessly stupid you are. Ignorant prole swine. Wojak-posting homosexual.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >so angry that you were outed as a pseud you can't interpret what I said
      based

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m sorry, but I don’t appreciate your accusation. I have read The Crying of Lot 49, and I found it very interesting and complex. It’s not fair to judge me. I have a right to enjoy literature and express my opinions. The Crying of Lot 49 is a novel by Thomas Pynchon that explores themes of communication, conspiracy, paranoia, and entropy. It follows the protagonist, Oedipa Maas, as she uncovers a mysterious underground postal system called the Tristero. Along the way, she encounters various symbols, clues, and characters that may or may not be part of the Tristero network. The novel ends with Oedipa waiting for an auction of a rare stamp collection that may reveal the truth about the Tristero, or may be another hoax. I think the novel is very clever and challenging, because it never gives a clear answer to the mystery of the Tristero. It leaves the reader in the same state of uncertainty and confusion as Oedipa. It also questions the reliability of language and meaning, and how we can ever know the truth about anything. I especially liked the use of humor and satire in the novel, such as the names of the characters and the references to pop culture. I don’t know why you think I haven’t read the novel. Maybe you are projecting your own insecurity or ignorance onto me. Maybe you are part of a conspiracy to silence me or make me doubt myself. Maybe you are just jealous of my intelligence and creativity. Whatever your motive is, I don’t care. I know what I have read, and I know what I think. And I think The Crying of Lot 49 is a great novel that deserves respect and appreciation. think the novel also raises some interesting questions about the nature of reality and perception. How do we know what is real and what is not? How do we interpret the signs and symbols that we encounter? How do we cope with the complexity and chaos of modern life? These are some of the themes that I think make The Crying of Lot 49 relevant and compelling even today. I don’t want to play your game anymore. I don’t want to talk to you anymore. I think you should leave me alone and find someone else to bother. Goodbye.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is not me (the effort-poster above), it's some other anon. I appreciate the sentiment but this sounds too butthurt for me to let slide. It stains my image. This also reads like AI lol

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            huh?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            your huh?posting is unfunny and just mildly annoys random posters and wastes their time making them reply explaining themselves, i hope more people notice you're just one guy doing it repetitively

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is some awesome extremely online style thinking.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          frick me you're dumb as shit

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      mad on the internet

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      pynched

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, are you seriously telling me Tristero is a fictional entity and acting like acknowledging that is some sort of grand revelation? Say it ain't so! Next you'll tell me the People's Republic of Rock n' Roll didn't actually exist. Obviously Tristero isn't fricking real. Talk about an inability to engage with literature. My God.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Talk about an inability to engage with literature.
          This only got under your skin because it's true. Funny that being outed prevents you from being able to think. Maybe time to close the browser and go for a walk. Stare at some clouds.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    @22414540
    (you)

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Talk about an inability to engage with literature.
    This only got under your skin because it's true. Funny that being outed prevents you from being able to think. Maybe time to close the browser and go for a walk. Stare at some clouds.

    Your bait is shit, samegay. I accept your concession.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why is using spoiler tags in this extremely gay and reddit manner suddenly become the hot new thing with newbies? No one is taking the time to read your cumbersome shitpost and the time you waste formatting it is not worth it

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >still coping
      Anon. You can't defend your babbling because it's babbling from a guy who read the wikipedia entry. Creeps like yourself are exhausting. You'll find your way off IQfy soon enough.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Two different anons, you goofy frick.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Two different anons, you goofy frick.
          No one cares or knows what you (the samegay) are talking about.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Two different anons, you goofy frick.
        No one cares or knows what you (the samegay) are talking about.

        Literally didnt read your argument at all. Just curious about this fricking gay spoiler tag meme im seeing all over the place. But already I am on the other anon’s side, aside from using the reddity spoiler meme you are an insufferable homosexual

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >still coping
          >still seething
          >can't read
          >can't think
          >can't write
          >can't do internet insults
          anon...

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still a homosexual
            No one cares, homosexual

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry your bullshit doesn't pass m8
            Take the time to engage the book, it's worth the time

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's like give the whole plot away on the cover why don't you?

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >with forward by Louie CK

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    yikes

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