Vgh, Gaddis, Cervantes and Melville are heckin' HARD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Difficult
https://adilegian.com/PDF/FranzenEssay.pdf

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's easy to dunk on the exemplar of middlebrow fiction in defence of experimental high brow literature, but then I admire the bravery of someone willing to write an article admitting that a book was just intellectually beyond them. This willingness to admit that experimentation may come at the forfeit of enjoyment is too often forgotten by the tribe of pomo dickriders who think that the less they understand something the better.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I understand not getting the po-mo doorstoppers, they're usually made for a very specific audience, but not finishing Moby Dick is kinda weird.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's just happens too often now that people are too polarized on the idea of challenging entertainment whether it is movies, videogames, books or even sports.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Moby Dick is filled with what is ultimately trivia and adds no real information about the characters, it is essentially world building and many have issues with that. I would expect that this is Franzen's issue with it, he is very much of the make every word and every sentence tell us something about the characters school of writing, exploit subtext either to reinforce what you are saying or to reveal truth. This would also make The Recognitions a difficult book for him.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Reading for “Character Development”
          >Reading for plot

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You clearly read my post for plot, completely missed the point.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He couldn't finish it he was too busy apologizing to Oprah so she would let him on her show when he had another milquetoast novel to push.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What did he say against her show?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            She nominated The Corrections for her book club and Franzen was made suddenly aware that his writing only appealed to middle-aged middle-class women who sought veneration for their fairly plain milquetoast existences and not the young white socially edgy men who would rather read David Foster Wallace. He expressed as much and caught flak for it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t know what he expected. He writes family dramas and not even the saga type or the epic type but the contemporary realist type. What a homosexual.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you have read Franzen, the banal middle class middle aged suburban existence is his stock in trade, he gave up being edgy before The Corrections. His press release regarding why he backed out is obviously PR and not the real reason, probably has more to do with the effect it would have on his career which is exactly what happened with Freedom, he will forever be measured against its Oprah inflated sales.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He was young and still rebelled against the fact he was an oprah-watching-mom level writer; got older, realized he cared more about the money than his dignity. can you blame him?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There’s a certain subsection of people who will never admit a book is difficult

      Hijacking this thread: what is the most difficult book you’ve read? Preferably fiction

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        finnegans wake but I didn't really try hard just read some pages

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I gave up on Finnegans Wake after 30 pages, so I'll vote for that.
        McElroy is also more difficult than I thought he would be, I'm about halfway through Women and Men and sometimes I lose track of what's going. He's not a flowery writer, he's just dense.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          See I have a somewhat different opinion of Woman and Men. I’ll agree that the writing is impossibly dense, but the important events of the novel (i.e., the Navajo mythology, Jim’s childhood) are repeated so many times it’s easy to get a sense of what’s going on. At a certain point, once I’d adjusted to his voice, the reading almost became meditative. Works like Gravity’s Raijbow are much harder in my opinion.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        beckett's novels filter me

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Recognitions
    >The Corrections
    I hate these type of titles. They insist upon themselves.

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