2014 Atheism:
>YOUR INVISIBLE SKY DADDY IS A PHONY CHUD I WILL DO WHATEVER THE FRICK I WANT
>2024 Atheism:
>G-God isn't real....b-but I will concede morally to 95% of the things he said....
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Atheism isn't really a part of pop culture anymore precisely because it won. Edgy nu-atheism could only be maintained in a culture where being an atheist still carries a social stigma.
It didn’t though…
Do you often make these scenarios in your head?
Cope. Atheism is conceding to the moral, economic, parental, logical, governmental brilliance of the God....but still insists he's made up lol
If that were the case, Christians wouldn't be constantly sperging out about atheists acting immorally and destroying societies. Can't have it both ways.
They would if they were actually Atheists. In reality, most of them are just theists that are too lazy to go to Church and want to be free to do whatever they want.
>most of them are just theists that are too lazy to go to Church and want to be free to do whatever they want
But you were arguing just a moment ago that they aren't doing whatever they want. Which is it?
You're explaining the cognitive dissonance that our atheists friends face. They want to be free of God's "evil morality", but then are afraid to waste away in their own human morality. Like an edgy teenager that wants to rebel against their parent, but still do 85% of what their parents say anyways. So they'll "run away" for a weekend with a backpack full of ham sandwiches, before returning home with their tail tucked behind their back.
Simply put: God is not appreciated until man turns to himself.
What is it that the atheist wants to do but doesn't? And why specifically does he refrain from doing that thing and not some other thing?
>Why do humans have inconsistent opinions?
You're not answering my question. What is it that the atheist wants to do but doesn't?
The Atheists wants to have morality. However, human morality will always be unsatisfactory.
You are still not answering my question. What is it that the atheist wants to do but doesn't?
Whatever he wants. There isn't need to be something specific.
So you can't provide even a single example?
I think the reason why you're dancing around the subject is that if you do provide an example, it will be easy to point out that most atheists either do not want to do said thing, or else want to do it but at the same time have other stronger desires which go against doing said thing.
Obviously there isn't a singular atheist position. Part of the appeal to atheism is that it liberates you from any religious obligations in general.
Anon, your claim is that the atheist follows the vast majority of christian moral laws even though he desires not to follow them. Why can't you pick one? It doesn't need to be universal among all atheists, just pick a common one and then we can talk.
The only rules you care about are not having sex before marriage and being ass-blasted about gay people, which we do not follow. No one follows Christian morality, not even Christians.
I am not a Christian. I am an atheist and I'm talking to a Christian who is arguing that most atheists are secret Christians who pretend not to believe in god because they want to sin, but at the same time follow most commandments even though they don't want to.
Christian laws such as empathy and charity. There's objective no reason for them without religion.
Wonder if he realizes he helped unleash trannies.
He didn't. He hates Islam and has been preaching against it for decades. Christrannies are just so mentally ill they antagonize their allies if they don't pander to their delusions.
Lol dumbass, BOTH Christianity AND Islam are anti-LGBT, Islam much more so.
The Muslims will waltz right over America. Who will stop them? Whining homosexuals and trannies in camo?
It os OVER for the secular, liberal west. Done. ADIOS. Curtain. Fin.
Normie christcucks do nothing against israelites muslims and homosexuals. They are seculraized sodomites that think christ was a passive, immigrant and israelite loving hippie.
All the more indication that Islam, not Christianity, is the truth. Come over brother, and let us rid the world of this madness once and for all.
The frick are you talking about you moronic /misc/yp?
All muslim countries are subservient to globohomo.
America floored Iraq in like 4 weeks.
You have no knowledge about anything sorry, can't talk to you.
Don't worry that's not a loss. I will just point out I expected all this tough and manly larp shit to have died out after Russia got humiliated by Ukraine.
Currently Hamas is getting massacred by diaper wearing troony israelite conscripts.
My man, you are utterly confused. Ukraine is losing right before our eyes. In fact I will go ahead and say it:
WW3 or Peace Treaty within 12 months.
They are running out of reinforcements because they were in a worse starting position. On the battlefield they are the better fighting force. And why did you skip over the mujaheddin getting floored by diappy juden who dream of becoming an accountant one day?
Half a million dead. Fighting your war so you can jerk off to trannies in the comfort if your NATO-protected home. Frick you.
They have no soldiers left. You see Zelensky trying to get military-age Ukranians to come? The only thing left is for NATO to put boots on the ground (WW3 and nuclear armageddon) or for Zelensky to trade land for peace.
Congress hesitated on passing the last round of military aid to Ukraine more than they ever have. Mark my words, that was the last aid package to Ukraine in the tens of billions. Everyone in Congress/media knows Ukraine is fricked, but they cannot say it because then they have to admit the cooked up this war and sold it to us cheap, like an untrialed vaccine.
Open your eyes man, it is coming.
Nothing about this challenges what I said.
You are in total denial, like most of the West.
Israel also lost in Gaza. They cannot win. Any military successes are offset by the shift in public opinion (especially in US, we are seeing huge things happen on the campuses right now. Nothing like this has happend on 20+ years).
They cannot win. The Gazans will not dissapear, cannot be massacred or exiled, and the world will not let Israel take that land.
Israel cannot win.
>Who will stop them? Whining homosexuals and trannies in camo?
moron. The biggest people are asking for is a ceasefire. Whiny fafgots and trannies in diapers dominate Russian hypermasculine larpers and mujaheddin posers.
>the shift in public opinion (especially in US, we are seeing huge things happen on the campuses right now
So now you're banking on whiny homosexuals and troony outcry to save muslims from the diappygigachads because you have no hope of competing militarily with the diaper brigade? Huge win tough boi.
NATO castrated itself. NATO is dying. Internally and Externally. It is a sick, old, angry man, lashing out in anger that now it is time for it to die.
Great argument. But you should probably tone it down while your begging lgbt libs to push for a ceasefire because the diaper brigades are the unopposed supreme fighting force in the middle east.
I do not gice a frick about you conceding to me or arguing any point to you. You pissed on the carpet and I am here to rub your nose in it, because I hate you.
I hope you get drafted and have to die in a corner underneath a Russian drone you never saw coming. You deserve such a fate because your heart is concerned with YOUR victory and not the people of Ukraine. Coward. Frick you.
>You pissed on the carpet and I am here to rub your nose in it, because I hate you.
Does it make your little dick twitch to say things like this? Jesus.
>I hope you get drafted and have to die in a corner underneath a Russian drone you never saw coming.
See above.
>You deserve such a fate because your heart is concerned with YOUR victory and not the people of Ukraine. Coward. Frick you.
Wrong. All I did was point out that the Ukrainians if they lose lose on numerocal inferiority not ideological or fighting capability. This triggered you because it disproves your edgy macho larp of undeserved valor anonymously claimed on the internet.
Hey buddy, go frick yourself, hard, in the ass, the way you like it.
Christcucks and Mudslimes take him more seriously than any atheist even though he stopped being relevant a decade ago, atheists don't bring him up here.
This is because christcucks are used to seeings idols and priests everywhere they go. So they subconsciously start viewing people like dawkins as authority figures and pretending the people btfo'ing them also care about him as much as they do.
It's why they also call atheism a religion that will definitely go extinct in 2 more weeks despite it always emerging regularly from religious societies and families. Theism is the bubble they live in and they'll never contextualize the world any other way. There's a reason the most zealous theists are inbred browns or pajeets.
Dont worry OP the truth was widely recognozed for the first time and the last time in 2010.
You know better than all of human history combined, don't worry about the silly religions and their intact cultures/societies/families. Just be trans it is the new cool thing.
No because literally every single country on the planet that has free religious polling has shown it increase over the last 20 years.
God is a goy killing rapist that promotes child mutilation. He isn't moral because he says he us.
No.
>G-God isn't real....b-but I will concede morally to 95% of the things he said....
Literally nobody does that or says that.
I'm atheist and I say that, I would rather have a christian wife than an atheist wife
>2014 Atheism:
>>YOUR INVISIBLE SKY DADDY IS A PHONY CHUD I WILL DO WHATEVER THE FRICK
no one ever actually said that or something similar to that
>2014
>Chud
Holy underage
New atheists were never opposed to Christian morality except on sexual matters, most of them subscribe to beliefs like the equal value of all human life for instance, which makes 0 sense if humans were not created in the image of God, but are mearly ephemeral soul-less animals.
Nice observation anon, well said.
It needs to be pointed out that atheism is the cause of the gender ideology.
>which makes 0 sense if humans were not created in the image of God, but are mearly ephemeral soul-less animals.
Wrong it's based on the human capacity for reason. Read Pico della Mirandola.
Christianity doesn't believe in equality it's a israeli supremacist religion.
So people with down syndrome don't have the same worth as other humans?
Obviously not. They resemble God less
What are you even talking about?
Ignore the christlarpers. They say what they want because they don't value themselves enough to care about being truthful.
God doesn't look like a Downie moron
It's about humanity as a species in case your serious.
And people with down syndrome are capable of rational thinking what kind of Scandinavian anti downie propaganda did you get taught?
I wasn't talking about humanity not being worth anything, what I meant was that there is no reason under an atheistic worldview why all humans should have the same value. On what basis can you argue that an Euler or Bach are worth the same as a moronic child if they're both ephemeral animals?
Because they're both humans.
See
Because humans as a species have the capability for reason.
Equality of all humans is a humanist value not a christian value. Christians believe in the great chain of being. YOU!!! adopted humanist worldviews over christian ones not the other way round.
In what sense does a moron have capacity for reason in a way that apes do not?
A moron is still a human even if a moronic one. A man who loses his legs doesn't stop being human either although humans are bipeds.
Your argument is that humans as a species has the ability to reason, but why does mearly belonging to humanity grant you value even if you lack that ability, yet alone equal value?
>does mearly belonging to humanity grant you value even if you lack that ability, yet alone equal value?
Because white people practice what is called compassion.
I don't understand what exactly you hope for here.
Yes humans value humans higher than animals because humans have the capability for reason and humans still treat moronic humans as humans because they are still human.
I'm fine with saying that someone that is severely mentally moronic may not even have a capacity for reason.
In that case, we just treat him like if he did, to play pretend. Because it makes normal people uncomfortable to treat him like he isn't human, cuz he looks like us.
Same reason you treat someone braindead in a coma, like they are a human. Even if they are just meat.
Makes people feel icky if you don't.
You would treat a moron or delinquent in the same manner as a normal person? You don't think that is a good idea do you?
Right now the continent of Africa has a population of a billion people, in a few decades that is estimated to rise to 3 billion. The third world is already struggeling, and will likely collapse within a few decades and hundreds of millions, maybe billions of blacks will try to make their way to Europe. Now, these are people with an average IQ of 70, and have no history of civilization or even of hmthe wheel. Obviously Europe will collapse if they are let in, but under your moral framework it's the right thing to do because not doing so "Makes people feel icky".
How does Christians resolve this?
Good question.
>Euler or Bach are worth the same as a moron
I don't lol
You're the one that think that
Then you agree with me, most new atheist do not, however.
>beliefs like the equal value of all human life for instance
some people are more chosen than others
The only reason they hate Abrahamic faiths (yes all the major ones) is sexual matters. It's always because they aren't allowed to indulge in their homosexual troon fantasies or have their wives have premarital sex with bulls. Then only after they start worshiping their desires over God do they look to feminism and commie ideologies to fill in the moral gaps their rebelliousness lead them to and that is when you see them develop justifications for leaving that are independent of themselves. For those of them that find no satisfaction in a life devoid of spirituality they will turn to memes like western Buddhism, Larpaganism or become Satanists/Wicca.
>aren't allowed to indulge in their homosexual troon fantasies
Who is this rhetoric supposed to fool?
As an atheist who don't value homosexual troon fantasies. This just comes off as unhinged
On this very website you have a community of them that hate religion specifically for this reason. Go look on the archives and search for their opinion on God. Your particular desires may be different and masculine (you want to frick as many women as you like, don't want to feel guilty about looking at porn and masturbation, etc) but that is irrelevant when the whole point was about sexual matters.
If I was less horny. Would that make me think it's true that some guy walked on water 2000 years ago?
you're such a gullible moron
No religious person leaves religion because they see a miracle mentioned in the bible and then they go "but it disagrees with the naturalistic explanations provided by scientists in the current year so it's wrong" . You left because you are horny or never were a part of it because your horny parents raised you up in an atheist environment.
gullible moron
Go watch strangers having perverted sex while you touch yourself. Please wash your hands afterwards.
Also quit looking at me, I am not into homosexualry.
Nah, Carrier obliterated you a trillion times, even on the morality claims.
Projection.
>projection
"Im rubber youre glue whatever you say bounces offa me and sticks to you!"
Do you believe a virgin gave birth to a magic israelite?
>the Bible is false mythology
>but it's also wrong and antisocial to kill and steal
>WE'RE WINNING GOD CHADS
Christian apologetics is so desperate.
Oh... You are right
I wouldn't value certain egalitarian principles if it wasn't actually because people are Godly image bearers
lol, is that how you expect the conversation to go? Who do you think you are fooling
Why do all human beings have the same value?
They obviously do not, lol. Are you moronic?
I just think it would be nice if people pretend and act like they are.
Why do liberal atheists value the lives of murderers and criminals? Seemingly they value them more than law abiding citizens in a lot of cases, even to the point of thinking prison should be abolished...
Nta but punitive justice doesn't make much sense if you don't believe in free will.
It makes more sense as people who do bad things are defunct and poorly functioning units who should be put away from people who can contribute.
It makes sense to put them away and try to reform them, which is generally what atheists want. I don't think you'll find many people who want to abolish prisons.
A lot of people on the left want to do exactly that, moreover it is clearly the case that criminality has a strong genetic component, and as such I think your view is naive.
I really don't think a lot of people on the left want to abolish prisons.
Then you haven't been paying attention to politics since the summer of peacefull protest.
I'm not an American. My country is mostly atheist and nobody here is calling for abolishing prisons.
Where do you live?
Have the ability*
Czech Republic
Your country is still supermajority white, but for how long? Will you let in millions of africans once their continent inevitably collapses? They are human after all, and have the same value as any of your countrymen!
Who do you think you're fooling with this moronic lose/lose setup
You think humans don't have equal value? Ha! Immoral atheist
You think humans have equal vlaue? Ha! Get cucked
Are you a bot? How does any of what you said have any relevance to your claim that atheists want to abolish prisons?
Your country might not have that problem, but once it is filled with Black folk and turns to the left it will.
Why would it? If my country were flooded by Africans, the proportion of atheists would drastically decrease. Africans are mostly Christians or Muslims.
Atheist left wingers in the west still value these people more than even their own people.
I don't live in the West, and you're arguing for a scenario where my country goes to shit because the proportion of atheists is drastically decreased.
>genetic
Look, if determinism is true. Everything is determined. Genes being a part of the causal story, is not interesting.
>A lot of people on the left
How many? Do you have any data to back this up?
Sounds moronic
This is such a moronic take
you need to look into what people who disagree with you actually think
Anon, this is stronger evidence for evolved behavior than Godly inspiration. Why don't all peoples have the same autistic OT laws?
I'm not sure what point you're making. You seem to agree that before Christianity came on the stage the equal value of all human life was certianly not obvious, neither to the Romans or basically anyone else for that matter.
>made in the image of God
Let's say I grant that
How does that make people equally valuable?
Like, why should I care? What if I value other things in people, than them merely resembling a God
You're allowed to do as you wish, but I'd say anything with an immortal soul is worth caring about, at some level or another.
What's the argument for that? Why should I care?
If you don't care about anything I can't make you do anything, but it seems like loving something that the most high has loved is worthwhile, even if you don't understsnd fully why.
By care, I mean value.
You want to say something like being made in the image of God gives humans value.
Then you need to be able to provide me with a reason to value that. That isn't just me having subjective values that can go either way.
If you can't see the value in something infinite and loved by an omnipotent creator, than you are lying to yourself, or are mearly to stupid to understand its weight.
Empathy is not a law, it's a hardwired mental property. Atheists who practice charity do it because they want to.
It's hardwired because of Christianity. It's simply not logical. You'll soon realize that a lot of people in the world don't care about it.
>It's hardwired because of Christianity
If you were wrong. And it was because of human biology, rather than Christianity.
How could you go about figuring that out?
>How would you go about proving an empathy gene in all of humanity
Go ask a biologist. Meanwhile normal people know the world isn't as rosy as you want to believe.
>world isn't as rosy as you want to believe.
....Says man who thinks he gets to live forever with his loving father in the sky. Without a shred of irony.
Heaven is per definition not a part of "the world".
Reality isn't as rosy as you believe
He never said anything about "reality".
The joke is that God isn't a part of reality.
Oh I understand what you meant, but it's still irrelivant to what he wrote. God is something we don't know for sure exists, but your view of the world is obviously false, just by looking at human history.
>your view of the world is obviously false, just by looking at human history
Be specific.
What is my view, and why does history prove it false?
I could be wrong, but I thought you belived human beings are good by nature.
Yes, but not because we deserve it. Rather because of divine and an act of love.
No, but seriously.
Are you just not going to engage with why a biological account of moral behavior, is a better explanation that a supernatural account?
I'll take this as an total concession.
Because biology is not moral and will tell you to do immoral things
Tribal societies have brutal wars over territory and leave moronic children in the forest to die
And those are the closest humans to the ''natural'' state
Apes are even closer to nature (And close to humans) and are extremely brutal
Yeah, I agree. Biology isn't moral.
Moral and immoral, are words humans made up for stuff the like and dislike.
It's still my view that human biology, is what explains why we have those likes and dislikes.
>Tribal societies have brutal wars over territory and leave moronic children in the forest to die
This is compatible with what we would call "moral behavior" being explained by biology, rather than God.
Besides, how does humans behaving so ungodly not count as massive evidence against God on your view?
>is what explains why we have those likes and dislikes.
How do you explain the fact that those dislikes vary wildly depending on society?
Why is a 21st first worlder feeling sorry for moronic children more natural than a stone age man drowning them?
> how does humans behaving so ungodly
It is evidence for mankind being tainted by original sin and how we must fight our own amoral nature
Anyway how does humans consistently behaving so ''unnaturally'' not count as evidence against humans being naturally good?
>How do you explain the fact that those dislikes vary wildly depending on society?
Not him, but probably the same way any other dislikes vary wildly depending on society.
But he is claiming his likes are derived from biology and natural to all of humanity
The only way to explain this is maybe splitting humanity into races and subspecies and it's still extremely flawed (Nazis were the same race as modern white liberals and their morality was completely different)
Is he actually claiming that though? Imo the most reasonable take is that certain preconditions for our likes and dislikes are hardwired (like empathy, aesthetic sense, jealousy or sense of rhythm), but where exactly those preconditions take you depends on other factors.
>empathy
At most we have selective empathy towards our ingroup
If most people were hardwired to be empathetic you'd see it in primitive societies (Instead of infanticide and brutal warfare)
>aesthetic sense
Mostly tied to culture (Or race if you really want to bring biology into it , but even so standards in white countries changed with time)
>jealoust
Probably natural but it is not a good example of people being inherently moral (Jealousy can lead you to do evil things)
>sense of rhythm
Maybe, but it is heavily influenced by culture
Anon, you completely missed the point. I think that there are certain drives which lead to different outcomes depending on environment, culture, upbringing, life experience etc. In this sense, being hardwired for empathy doesn't mean you'll always act empathically towards everyone just like being hardwired to have an aesthetic sense doesn't mean you'll dedicate your life to producing art.
>culture
Look, you need to understand that I also view 'culture' as something explainable in terms of human biology.
How do you explain different wildly cultures existing?
Do you believe in multiple races/subspecies?
And why are there different cultures within the same race?
Why does culture change with time?
*wildly different cultures
Use your imagination.
How do you think a naturalist could explain different cultures in terms of natural facts (like, human biology)?
I'm genuinely not interested in talking to people too thick to do this
>How do you think a naturalist could explain different cultures in terms of natural facts (like, human biology)?
He can't
At most he can cope with muh race, but then he would need to pretend white people evolved into a different species in only a 100 years
I think you're probably a psychopath or something of the sort. Empathy isn't some super mysterious thing that you have to derive from religion, it's in the same class of feelings as something like feeling second hand embarrassment or feeling butterflies in your stomach when you're on a date.
>all humans have value, because made in the image of God
As a Calvinist I find this highly offensive.
"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?"
Made in the image of God AND are loved by God*
There are very few atheists and the "movement" was really only driven by creationism, its more of a communism thing to try and erase history
I have empathy because I have a working brain. It’s a completely normal emotion which you should have with or without Christianity. We would not be social without it.
If that was true, we would expect to see people sharing common values despite being Christian. Like in different parts of the world
They do. Every culture on earth has empathy. It’s present in social mammals because it’s the emotion that makes us form and maintain groups.
>It's another thread of "Suburban first world Atheist thinks people are generally kind and caring" without a divine law.
The most religious places on earth are generally the most violent.
Absolute nonsense
You don't get to just make shit up anon
lmao
This is uncontroversial true. Why are you sealioning when there's no audience?
Who are you trying to fool? Yourself?
You do not know the histories of all times and places. You don't know about the Millet System or the Yemeni israelites. You don't know about Mughal India and the theological concessions made by the Muslims to the Hindus. You do not know about the Peace Churches in the US- the Amish and Hutterites and Mennonites. You don't know about Ahimsa or the nonviolent Christ. You have never heard of Transform Now Ploughshares or read about Quaker Pennsylvania and its relgious heterogeneity and egalitarian land alottments. You never learned anything aboit anything and you parrot propoganda to affirm the beliefs you were taught by mass media and your family.
Africa and middle east, peaceful
Scandi countries, violent
Your brain thinks in extremely stupid categories. You don't have enough knowledge and you have no intellect for subtelty.
In times past people like you would never bother even forming an opinion on such matters, and would have humbly carried out their life and duties while trusting certain figures of high learning such as clergy.
Your entire public school education was pure propoganda, I am sorry. It is the truth.
Do you disagree with what I said?
I don't want to get into it, I would have to teach you early 20th century history about TE Lawrence and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the shameless landgrabs of the British and French followed by decades of military and covert interference. You probably do not know that Saudi Arabia is a puppet state of the US Gov, or that the rise of Fundamentalist Islam began in the 20th century in response to the rise of secular and aligned Arab Nationalist parties which themselves were anticolonial in origin etc.
I am not responsible for your education and see no point debating someone who has done 1% of the reading I have.
If we both agreed on some objective measures of 'violence' and 'religiosity'
Then painted them on to a map
Do you think we would see an overlap? Yes or no?
Absolutely no overlap or correlation. Please keep in mind that modern warfare, industrial genocide, nuclear bombs, hydrogen bombs and aerial bombing of civilians all emerged during the century when religion declined significantly in the West.
Ostensibly perhaps, but they're also the brownest.
Having empathy isn't synonymous with being kind and caring.
A cynical view, admitting what religion is by elite clergy
>Christians claiming empathy only for themselves:the thread.
It's literally not losing, the new generation is the most secular it's ever been in history across the Civilized World (i.e Nigerian fanatics need not apply)
Religiosity has gone down in the USA but also in Brazil, Mexico, Poland, Russia, etc.
It's pretty clear Atheists just want religion without the supernatural aspects. However religion isn't logically defensible without the supernatural aspects, hence why they are there.
You only think that because it's your religious doctrine that on their own, people do want to harm and don't want to help.
What's the atheist reason for why I shouldn't look entirely for my self interest?
Probably because society can't work if everyone acts that way, but beyond that, nothing.
Why should I care about society functioning? Why shouldn't I just abuse it as much as possible? Why shouldn't I grift tech-illiterate boomers into giving me money?
>if everyone acts that way
You acting a certain way does not ensure everyone else will
God will hurt you forever if you do
You do that regardless
Same as Christians. Carrots and sticks
I'm sorry, but humans are just that simple. It's sad, but true
You can't be provided with motivating reasons, independent of what you subjectively care about
Like avoiding pain, or achieving personal goals and desires
The God of the yews is about gimme gimme work work
They'll put you in prison and you're not gonna enjoy that
So as long as it's legal, I'm good?
? So I'm just supposed to gift society free stuff for literally no reason? In that case, why shouldn't you give away literally everything you have to society?
>So I'm just supposed to gift society free stuff for literally no reason?
No.
You should do that if you want to. And shouldn't do it, if you don't want to.
Both would are compatible with acting in accord to your own wants/interests.
So long as I'm comfortable doing it, then it's okay? If I'm okay with eating chocolate from child slaves, then that means it's fine?
>it's fine
Obviously. You just asserted you were okay with it.
yes if it makes you feel good then it is moral because we evolved for tribal life and are not lone wolves
'Fine' for who? lol
Are you asking my opinion?
I genuinely don't understand what it would even mean for you to have a motivating reason, that isn't something you care about
if you an invisible israeli demon to function in life then you are a loser Black person who should kill xerself.
>Lord Highmountain is the god of mountain climbing
>atheist climbers are acting irrationally because without Lord Highmountain's commands, there is no objective reason to climb mountains
>the atheist can claim that humans have a natural adventurous and competitive drive, but this is disproven by the fact that most humans don't climb mountains
>atheist climbers clearly deny the existence of Lord Highmountain because they want to take the escalator instead of a stairs when they're shopping, but in reality believe that Lord Highmountain exists
Some people are inclined to montain climbing just like others are inclined to rape 5 year olds, what's the difference?
The difference is that more people are inclined to dislike those who rape 5yos than those who climb mountains.
Are you saying if that wasn't the case it wouldn't be wrong?
I don't think there is such a thing as objectively right and wrong, so the question is incoherent in the context of my view.
I'm inclined to wanting to use the organs of the state against child rapists because they disgust me.
Also there is nothing in the Bible against child rape, so long as the child's father is ok with it.
Many Christians today are fine with it, so long as the rapist is "marrying" the 12 year old.
So morality is totaly subjective?
That's not really an accurate description of my view. I think people have preferences and call some of them morality, but I don't think even "subjective morality" exists in the way you're probably using the term.
>christians still unironically making this argument
It's over.
Yeah its over because you fools wouldnt listen. Mushroom clouds: SOON.
Hiez! :3
>Wait so is atheism losing?
God doesn't say anything in the Bible, the angels, prophets and disciples say things.
Atheist olive branches to Christianity began when people started thinking the west was on the path to becoming majority Islamic. It was purely done out of fear because they know atheism can never survive under Islam.
>Capitalism's problem is self interest
>Communism's problem is self interest
>Monarchy's problem is self interest
>Libertarianism's problem is self interest
>Nationalism's problem is self interest
>Globalism's problem is self interest
>ITT's Conclusion: Humans aren't self interested
When I prevent a kid from running out into traffic. Do you think I'm doing something I don't want to do?
It's perfectly consistent to have my own interests align with those of other people Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Hell of a post anon, you got it.
I just had grilled cheese for lunch with tomato soup
Tell us more go on. What kind of cheese? You throw some jalenos on that bad boy or what? Oil or butter? Lay it on me anon, tell us the real deal.
Just plain. Don’t have money for jalapeños but thanks for the idea. Should pair it with a tomato slice chefs kiss
It's because they got the incredible strategy of instead of showing their points normally, they would show their arguments in the most obnoxious and irritant way possible to, just wait, the majority of population. Of course no one will agree with "israelite on the stick and if you don't go with me you are dumb". There is a strange thing where when your main strategy is being rage-baity, people will get used to it, and then you have to be more outrageous to get the same results, and more, and more, so it get to the point no one will take you with good faith. Other atheists got out of the group and the one who stayed got more and more annoying to the point of now being associated with reddit behavior.
Nu-atheism ended with elevatorgate and culture wars
Some of them joined atheism+ and turned into the first SJWs
The other part became anti-SJWs; after realizing what they unleashed (And that Christians are their allies in a sense) they started hating christians less
>atheists defy God, thinking they've gotten away with it
>unleashes an abominable hellspawn known as "sjws", an entity worse than Christians in every perceivable way
>atheists repent of their old ways and start to realize that Christians are their natural brothers in arms against leftists moronation
Did I ever tell you the parable of the potter's vessel?
nobody is winning, chistianity is beyond fricking pozzed and atheists tend to be mega homosexual that are vegan tier
I went to a lutheran church today for the first time in a decade (not counting funerals). I was the only one there under 40. Atheism successfully killed God for the young.
If athiesm loses it'll be because powerful classes become genuinely shocked and afraid of how bad people behave without religious social structure
I genuinely think this can happen but it's maybe 20 years away, and those 20 years will be BAD years
Go to bed karl marx
A big part of this is a lot of right wing atheists are LARPing as religious now for the aesthetics. 10 years ago this phenomenon didn’t exist back when libertarianism was more popular.
As atheist, I wouldn't care if everyone else in the turned into a christian tho. I'll have fun with my special privileges (such as jerking off), while people waste their time schizoing about their imaginary friends. Wouldn't make much difference.
>>G-God isn't real....b-but I will concede morally to 95% of the things he said....
Their argument is that morals are based on psychological phenomena, and there's an innate bias toward the acts that we generally consider to be morally "good", thus those acts are perceived as "good". It's not great for your tribe if you murder one another all the time afterall. God doesn't really factor into it. This post is just a poor strawman, bait for (You)s. I'm not even an atheist and I understand what they're saying.