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Wasn't Jefferson a good guy?
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America is so fricking embarrassing now days
He was an anti-federalist and borderline anarchist.
We cannot allow anyone in this nation to remember the role that he played in the revolution and the nations founding, otherwise they might realize that the US has become a dictatorship and doesn't even slightly resemble what it was meant to be. Plus, Jefferson advocated for violence for political change. We can't resort to violence in America when the government becomes too large and stops listening to the people, it's the current year for Christs sake.
>He was an anti-federalist
He was not. He was more liberal than most federalists but he was a federalist.
Is it in your city? Then why do you fricking care? Imagine caring about a statue outside a City Hall where you don't live.
shut up commie
no
don't care.
>it's not the statue itself
do you speak for the people who want it removed?
>it is the outcome and state of things doing it and what will happen next.
don't clutch those pearls too hard, boomer.
>you are either being a ideologue or playing dumb to get your way
just can't imagine getting upset about one of hundreds of TJ statues in the US, outside a city hall where i don't live being taken down.
you are trolling. You would not be on here if you were being serious because you think this is le hacker nazi website cause the TV screen told you so. there is no way you are this misinformed
This. If we do not kill the Communists doing this then we might as well hand over the guns now.
Ironically most communist nations would hang you by the neck for defacing a Soviet statue.
You're literally a bigger pushover than Norks or Russhits.
Yet I imagine you'd care quite a bit about a Churchill statue being erected on a continent you've never even stepped foot on.
...no?
Churchill was a fat subhuman bastard and rots in hell though
it's not the statue itself agent. it is the outcome and state of things doing it and what will happen next. you are either being a ideologue or playing dumb to get your way
Hypocrite gay moron.
frick off dishonest troon.
Another tactic of Marxist demoralization: "Why do you care, bigot? Imagine caring about the destruction of your country."
They demoralize us so in the hope that we will turn a blind eye to their destructive cultural revolution that they are waging all around against the Old America.
Do you care about certain bathroom laws not passed in your localities mrs(mr) dishonest.
Same country therefore same laws and zeitgeist. If it happened in that town it can and probably will eventually happen in yours.
He was white racist who owned and raped slaves
Good riddance to bad rubbish
>He was white racist
He was anti-racist by the standards of the time
>raped slaves
He had a relationship with one slave that may or may not have been consensual.
You can't consent to someone who owns you lol
yeah the dynamic of power between the two parties doesnt allow this
You can, just some people don't want to admit it. "I consent and want this to happen" There. Easy.
Also I'd like to take this moment to note the elephant in the room that women totally get off on the idea of fricking the most powerful/wealthy man in the area. Also older men. Also often being degraded or being submissive in a dominant relationship. Hell women are known to orgasm during their own damn rapes. One of the biggest envies of the holocaust for women were the girls that got to sleep with the concentration camp guards and therefore got special treatment. Women historically adapt to marriage with their actual for real rapists and/or the men that killed their previous husband in conquest.
This alone gives you an educated guess that the average slave girl would in fact be pretty psyched to sleep with the slave master of the estate. So long as he's not so cruel and horrifically ugly. Hell I would think that would be pretty hot so long as my slave mistress was at least kind of milfy - and I'm not even a woman. Let's be real, Sally was probably making all the other slave girls jealous and was doing backflips that she pulled massa.
Did he rape slaves or just have affairs with slaves? Is it possible to have a non-coercive relationship with someone you own?
IMO it’s complicated. Not all sexual relations between masters and slaves is rape. But of course it’s pretty tainted by the nature of the relationship.
I’m sure there were plenty of masters and slaves who actually had loving relationships. But the power dynamics kind of preclude the woman reasonably saying no in such a scenario.
It’s the same way that sure, there are college professors who had completely consensual sex with their students. But morally it’s wrong. At worst it’s coercive.
Imagine that dynamic times a thousand. Because the person literally owns you. If you say no, what happens?
Technically speaking yes, but there's always the *implication* so you basically can't ever know.
By many views, no. There is a balance of power which would make it impossible to determine if they were really willing, semi willing, or unwilling, because of either subtle or overt threats that would go along with refusing.
A less convincing version of this you hear a lot nowadays is when people apply the same logic to girls who want to sleep with their favorite musicians. But I don’t think it works in that situation, it just pushes the ironically sexist narrative that women have no personal agency
Jefferson had a romantic love affair with a slave of his, Sally Hemmings.
Modern day wokoids point out that this is statutory rape because of the power imbalance.
So then they go full force and call him a rapist and thus undermining the victims of actual rape by saying that a consensual love affair is as bad as being held down and forced upon in an alleyway is as bad as a consensual love affair.
>love affair
She was 14 and he was 44
He was a pedo you sick frick
Who are you posturing for? This is an anonymous image board.
Okay groomer
Except he only fathered her last child when she was in her early twenties, all of her previous children where fathered by George Bridgewater another slave.
To begin with all women are meant to be the property of their men and it's only ever rape when a man forces himself upon a woman who he doesn't own.
Heartily agree, and we need to tear down the Mahatma Gandhi statues afterward too.
Yes we do.
mohandas gandhi slept with naked children
It's funny how you don't hold black slavers to same double standards, you only rave about da hwite man whom didn't have even a fraction of the slaves that blacks owned and sold away
>raped slaves
They wanted it
He was a pedophile rapist racist white man. Symbolic of the many traumas America would go on to endure
>During his lifetime, Jefferson owned over 600 slaves, who were kept in his household and on his plantations. Since Jefferson's time, controversy has revolved around his relationship with Sally Hemings, a mixed-race enslaved woman, and his late wife's half-sister.[11] According to DNA evidence from surviving descendants and oral history, Jefferson fathered at least six children with Hemings, including four that survived to adulthood.[12] Evidence suggests that Jefferson started the relationship with Hemings when they were in Paris, some time after she arrived there at the age of 14 or 15, when Jefferson was 44. By the time she returned to the United States at 16 or 17, she was pregnant
>14 or 15
Wasn’t considered pedophilia back then. Not sure it’s considered that now. Definitely weird for a 44 year old man though
Most states with low ages of consent consider it statury rape if the older partner was "n a position of authority or something like that. Obviously the case in jeffersons case, but the fact that she was a slave basically makes everything illegal already by modern law.
Jefferson was definitely a horndog with no moral compunctions in that regard, but for all we know he treated sally hemmings well. And it should be remembered that marriages arranged without the womans consent, with considerable age differences, were common at the time.
True. But statutory rape isn’t always considered pedophilia. I think specifically pedos like pre pubescent kids. So by modern standards Jefferson was a sex offender statutory rapist but not a pedo
Adams in his diaries said he thought Sally was 15 when he saw her so she presumably looked older than she was. About 14 I believe
It's not pedophilia now either.
This
In CK2 you an marry 16 years old
And yet MLK Jr., who was heretic, philanderer, who laughed as a woman was raped, will never have a blemish on his statues tolerated by the elites.
you forgot 'racist'. although that's arguably a subset of 'heretic' on account he did not think that whites were redeemable.
that was all made up by the CIA
How convenient
nobody is a good guy to black people if they're white
/thread
Jefferson and his moronic ideology is why the US and its politics has gotten as bad as it has.
>how dare anybody find the physical idolization of people who practice slavery morally indefensible
Why don't you write some kind of counter-opinion instead of just complaining abstractly and injecting low effort social-media-style drama into IQfy? You absolute fricking gorilla. You dumb homosexual animal.
Black person
I wish I could send this pic to someone from the 50s.
The 1850s.
they'd laugh and have you thrown in the local nut house
Lord these Twitter trannies are dumb. A slave was his master's property so he could do as he pleased with them. Call it unfair? Well that was just the way things rolled back then. So screw off.
Yeah, doesn't make him any less of a rapist lol, do you think people don't call Chinggis a rapist because it was normal to do it at the time?
Chinggis was fricking based and I cannot deny it any longer. Goddamn he was a violent madman, but he was a genius madman that secured prosperity and wealth for his people for generations.
Mongolians rightfully revere him.
They don't care if your statesmen were good or not, they hate you and want to destroy you and your culture. The faster conservatives realize this, the faster we can do something to stop it.
ok, what do these guys propose to put in their place? a statue of Rodney King? lal.
If that's what the population desires for why not? Why should black people have to tolerate statues they don't like in neighbourhoods they live in
None of the statues were in black neighborhoods, and not liking something doesn't give you the right to destroy it.
Public areas that black people frequent.
>not liking something doesn't give you the right to destroy it
Try and stop us
das rite bix dat mufuggin shit tear it all the frick down YO
>Public areas that black people frequent.
So? Lots of blacks live in D.C., with the most presidential history of any province in the country. It doesn't give them the right to raze the city.
>Try and stop us
If I ever see anyone attempting to desecrate a statue, I will perform a citizen's arrest on them.
>It doesn't give them the right to raze the city
They have, are, and will do what you just said
>If I ever see anyone attempting to desecrate a statue, I will perform a citizen's arrest on them.
KEK
>They have, are, and will do what you just said
If they do, then hopefully they're met with extreme force from the police. Jackson is still standing for that very reason.
>KEK
I'm a law abiding citizen. But I am happy to defend myself if need be.
>Jackson is still standing for that very reason
Jackson is a nothing town, always has been, always will be
I meant Jackson's state in Lafayette Square.
This mentality is why the US is headed for an ethnic cleansing.
Black folk could have had equal rights and even affirmative action, but that just wasn't enough. Whites are divided and timid at the moment. But when they get pushed far enough the reaction is going to make the Holocaust look like the kid gloves.
>but when they get pushed far enough the reaction is going to make the Holocaust look like the kid gloves.
thats 20years ago America, now...no way
Ah yes, the "Yugoslavia won't turn into a genocidal mess" school of thought. Keep sticking your head in the sand.
I just don't see it happening. It seems far more likely that whites would join a genocide against themselves than ever stand up for their interests.
>it happened in a totally different country, with a different political scenarios and actually different cultures
>this means it will happen in the US
Pure copium. There will be no uprising.
The only ethnic cleansing will be of whites and whites will literally just roll over and let it happen (if not actively lining up to destroy themselves and their fellow whites). The day there's resistance from whites is the day Hell freezes over.
The funny thing is Tocqueville predicted this all the way back when slavery was still a thing. That ethnic cleansing was possibly an inevitability given how the abolitionist north was even more racist and intolerant of black people then the south
>might makes right
>only wants to vandalize cities due to a massive inferiority complex
>Try and stop u-ACK
blacks should thank Thomas Jefferson for the Bill of Rights that allowed them to eventually become free citizens. if they lived somewhere else they'd have no human rights at all.
>kick the shit out of a homeless dude
>finally stop kicking the shit out of him
>"wow, aren't i such a good person? you should be grateful!"
The actual full historical perspective actually makes it mean something since every supposedly racist position whites had was something every other people who had contact with blacks had a thousand years prior.
Blacks should go back to Africa if they're so oppressed by never-ending welfare and handouts from white taxes and all the major corporations pandering to them and the militant sodomite homosexuals and baby-killing prostitutes.
It's not even blacks doing this anyway, 90% of them don't know who TJ was. they probably think he was the drummer in Bootsy Collins's Rubber Band. it's psychotic white liberals and self-hating halfu mutts like Obama.
>It's not even blacks doing this anyway, 90% of them don't know who TJ was. they probably think he was the drummer in Bootsy Collins's Rubber Band.
No, you're right but also...
>blacks under 50
>knowing the lineup of a funk band
What a dumb reference to use.
Almost all wokeshit is white liberals and mixed race mutts anyway. That includes people butthurt over college football teams named after Native American tribes. You might get a completely white liberal woman with problem glasses who is like 5% Choctaw screaming that it's racist and the team should change their name.
Hi, LBJgay. I know it's you.
>what do these guys propose to put in their place?
>he raped her!
It was a consensus relationship that started in Paris where slavery was illegal so she couldn’t come with him to america unless she wanted to
Also 14 is normal historically
total removal of all white people from the earth and history is fully on track for completion.
Are you doing your part?
Why should I care if Black folk died while mining the resources to maintain my lifestyle? Not my problem lol.
1. He hated the British
2. He was pro-slavery (he's the reason there are so many Africans in the US today)
Tear down his statues.
How can a country continue to perpetuate its existence when it disavows its own founders? Why the frick would you do this?
when all of history is erased they can make their utopia
They don't want countries to exist in the future Anon. They want a globalized society of brainless rootless consumers. Pesky things like national identity and folkhood get in the way of that.
This is one of those things that I would say need to be move to /misc/
Hardly even a related topic. Just two salty groups of babies yelling at each other.
they're antiamerican communists that wouldn't be out of place in vladimir putin's party
america is collapsing
yes
And that's a good thing!
When they're done here, they'll come for you, anon.
>Wasn't Jefferson a good guy?
He believed some races were different to other races. This is heresy for the fundamentalist left.
People ITT saying it’s “woke” to think raping a 14 year old slave is wrong
Except that never happened
Is it wrong if I don't care either way? I don't give a shit if it stays despite the fact he was a slave owner or if they remove it because of the fact.
It's just an inanimate object that looks like a guy who died over 200 years ago. The existence or non-existence of his statue does not effect my well-being in any way. It's not going to make my wages higher, my rent cheaper or my streets safer.
Stop spending energy on bullshit "causes".
Shouldn't have owned slaves if you want a statue.
>based
>i imagine my enemies as this caricature
>yeah i keep losing all the time and believe im literally going to go extinct soon because of them
do you think this makes you look better, or worse?
You don't even believe it's based, lbjgay. You just want a dopamine rush by getting (You)s.
I have no idea who you think i am.
lbjgay sure is quiet after all this noise about his shitposting, and there has been a noticeable uptick in "I'm not lbjgay lol" posts
pill time
>It hasn’t always been this way. Between 1998 and 2003 reducing child poverty was a national priority – a comprehensive Government strategy and substantive investment in children saw the number of children trapped in poverty fall by 600,000 in only a few years. However, concerningly, in 2016 child poverty targets set out in the Child Poverty Act 2010 and the Government’s duty to meet the targets, were scrapped. Subsequent changes to welfare policy and cuts to support services have pushed thousands more families below the breadline.
>Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK; the rapidly expanding gig economy, insecure employment, rising living costs and the growing cost of childcare is placing added pressure on working families struggling to keep afloat. Most children and young people growing up in poverty – 75% of the 4.3 million – live in a household were at least one person works.
>Currently, child poverty is on the rise. A recent NEU member survey found that over half of respondents have seen an increase in child poverty at their school or college since March 2020, the start of the first national lockdown. The latest research from the Resolution Foundation predicts that by the next General Election, 730,000 more children and young people will be caught in poverty’s grip.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools
>The charge on the police docket was "disrupting class". But that's not how 12-year-old Sarah Bustamantes saw her arrest for spraying two bursts of perfume on her neck in class because other children were bullying her with taunts of "you smell".
>"I'm weird. Other kids don't like me," said Sarah, who has been diagnosed with attention-deficit and bipolar disorders and who is conscious of being overweight. "They were saying a lot of rude things to me. Just picking on me. So I sprayed myself with perfume. Then they said: 'Put that away, that's the most terrible smell I've ever smelled.' Then the teacher called the police."
>The policeman didn't have far to come. He patrols the corridors of Sarah's school, Fulmore Middle in Austin, Texas. Like hundreds of schools in the state, and across large parts of the rest of the US, Fulmore Middle has its own police force with officers in uniform who carry guns to keep order in the canteens, playgrounds and lessons. Sarah was taken from class, charged with a criminal misdemeanour and ordered to appear in court.
>Each day, hundreds of schoolchildren appear before courts in Texas charged with offences such as swearing, misbehaving on the school bus or getting in to a punch-up in the playground. Children have been arrested for possessing cigarettes, wearing "inappropriate" clothes and being late for school
>In 2010, the police gave close to 300,000 "Class C misdemeanour" tickets to children as young as six in Texas for offences in and out of school, which result in fines, community service and even prison time. What was once handled with a telling-off by the teacher or a call to parents can now result in arrest and a record that may cost a young person a place in college or a job years later
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>I think about trannies when I'm mad
Lol
Oh dear. Are Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity not quite what you'd hoped? What a shame! I'm quite sure there must be some committee or legislature somewhere that will listen attentively to your complaints on the subject.
t. pays taxes to support a 96 year old German lizard and her family
The UK has been removing statues too so it's not like a monarchy stops it either.
>>I think about trannies when I'm mad
>Lol
The last decade has proved the slippery slope theory
NOT MY HECKIN FREEMASONS
You get what you deserve. It's poetic to see the Black person coddlers destroyed by their own pets. History will remember them all as monsters.
White liberals self-insert as guys like jefferson and lincoln. But take note; brownoids don't fricking care and barely differentiate you and a "racist" white. Blacks will screech for the removal of Lincoln too.
Can people just fricking admit already that blacks want their own country and be done with it?
>wtf is their problem?
He was white. Non-whites and their liberal handlers hate the white race.
when people want to create a new religion they have to remove the symbols of the old religion