Either way be prepared to bum lick people's life long work and regurgitate it. Then abide by your corporation's general specifications for your design, which will be restrictive dog shit or mostly copying and modifying it slightly.
>Either way be prepared to bum lick people's life long work and regurgitate it
thats 99.999% of academia until you reach the top, then you get to make a TINY contribution to an ocean of dog shit
Well done dick head. It is. And i've just reapplied it for this kids question. Packaged that fact in a more damning tone. Old is gold. Its always worth hearing it a second time.
Not only that, i find education for that reason a place for bum boys and uglies to make their life have purpose. Regurgitating they don't mind, i'd imagine that's something you don't mind doing either, homosexual.
Now frick off, and go regurgitate Dr. Smiths work, you bum boy, go impress your granny with what shit you learnt, from what some old fart learnt. homosexual.
I know you don't learn anything that you couldn't yourself at university. It's just a piece of paper. But this piece of paper is what you need to tell employers "I have a decent work ethic and IQ" and get a job.
2 years ago
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I'm beyond work and the education instituition. Both can suck my big wiener.
Universe , from nowhere. That's all i fricking need to pave my own way. My life, i'll explore how i see fit.
I don't need lots of money.
There's a lot of dumb c**ts willing to consume and hold hand rails till they die. Nope, not me.
Fricking drones. Reliant on the system, poor them. Frick them. I'm half on, half off at least.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This sounds like it was spoken by those dudes you overhear in the hallways after class when you get your exam results back in a freshman year weedout course
2 years ago
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It's completely absurd to demand a proof of willingness to stay in line and regurgitate for jobs that require creating something new. Such people should be filtered OUT.
I happen to work at a company that makes innovative technology. Its a concept i toyed with in university and that has been explored a bit in universites, as far as i can tell my company is the first to turn that into a product to market. It involves solving tons of problems, zero routine, because understanding some physical principles is not enough for a product. The amount of research has decreased tho from the height when we were developing this thing.
Well, I did that, couldn't find a job, ended up going for a CS master's, first found a webdev job then a place at a robotics lab. But most of the other guys here were EEs originally.
>Electrical is more fun and mathematical.
electrical and mechanical both have copious amounts of "math." It's literally just linear systems vs. PDEs...you know, those things that, at least in undergrad, reduce to fourier solutions lmfao. >Fell for the mechatronics meme
Mechatronics and robotics at large has tons of math, but a lot of it is in CS
https://lavalle.pl/planning/
>Mechatronics and robotics at large has tons of math, but a lot of it is in CS >https://lavalle.pl/planning/
I literally do Robotics research now after getting my CS MSc my dude. I know this >"math"
Yes, it's babby tier applied shit, but imo the electrical classes like signals and controls motivate you to actually learn proper math more quickly.
>It's literally just linear systems vs. PDEs...you know, those things that, at least in undergrad, reduce to fourier solutions lmfao.
Tbh, PDE is more math heavy than linear systems. But all of them reduce to Fourier solutions is true. Or Laplace and Z if you're more into control
>Electrical is more fun and mathematical.
How so? ME is a lot heavier on PDEs, especially in fluid dynamics.
Unless you want to work with waveguides
Is it any good from a job perspective? The degree itself is very interesting, but I feel like companies would just get a separate mechanical and electrical person instead of one mechatronic
Not quite. I got friends that studied EE but got a post graduate in ME and work in generation.
If they want robotics, they'll stick with mechatronics while keeping electronics to work with sensors, control or comm.
Anyways mechatronics is more ME than EE.
>If they want robotics, they'll stick with mechatronics while keeping electronics to work with sensors, control or comm.
Anyways mechatronics is more ME than EE.
>which EEs start doing at the 4000-level
can you give me an example of a university that uses that book and which specific EE course?
I always thought Jackson's Electrodynamics was something for physics grad students.
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In my school (Virginia Tech) if you're an EE in the RF & Microwave major then you do Jackson problems in the senior year Antennas course and in the Radio Engineering course.
You also do a few in Electromagnetism 2 and in the Radio Wave Propagation course.
...and what about differential geometry in continuum mechanics?The tensorial equations are more "complicated" than your vectors or differential 1-forms xD
How many mechanical engineers actually do hard fluid dynamics like modeling of turbines? If we are talking normal liquid pipes then its all as simple as mass and flow conservation and some ohm-like flow equations.
Things like the flow of solid mass in detonations are also intersting. Who does that but computational physicists?
It is a very important field an literally everything, which moves and is expensive is going to be out into a CFD. Also fluidhsolid interaction, coupled problems (Solid Fluid thermal chemical etc). but of course mist of the brainlets are not doing that..... Computational mechanics is an interplay between mechanical engineering, applied mathematics and physics. In research environments, labs etc you typically have an mix of these professions at expert level in this intersection.... Also coding, HPC etc
Engineers don't research PDEs, they generally just use PDE solvers. Mech undergrad classes basically treat differential equations like blackboxes in my experience.
frick did i just got shot in the foot ?
recently applying on BAS majoring mechatronics.should i back off ?,because I still haven't paid my tuition fees
More variety in EE, if that's your thing. You get to fantasize about killing yourself in CS courses in-between questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics in circuit analysis courses.
>questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics
You sound like you are 20 years old. You think Fourier transform is so hard it induces suicide? Laughable
>in-between questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics in circuit analysis courses.
stop overselling your major's difficulty. the math in circuit analysis isn't difficult and mostly devolves to either >use a transform to make this easy >use a trick to turn this into a braindead highschool algebra problem
you don't get to any interesting or real math in EE until either final year or grad school
Both of them are going to tie you to a desk and make you want to commit suicide, from workload and from the sedentary nature of the job. Why don't you waffle between civil and environmental instead?
t. environmental EIT who designs subsoil vapor mitigation systems
I compared the modules at my university and civil seemed the most "boring" to me personally. I don't imagine there's going to be a big difference in difficulty between the three. Civil is probably slightly easier, but nothing to make it a point worth
Civil is indeed slightly easier, and that background makes it really easy to choose between a field-based or a design-based career path in a way that I don't think EE or ME would do for you, but you're right - it's boring. With that said, my bias is that I fricking hate being in an office and purposely worked towards not being entirely office-based, and maybe you don't care about that as much as I do, and so between the two you asked about I'd lean ME simply because you have a higher chance of working on cool shit and because you'll have a little more career flexibility. If I could choose again, I'd probably pick environmental science instead of engineering, lol
At first it was the same money as any EE offers I was getting (in reality more because there was OT and per diem if I chose to travel), and with a 3/4 schedule it was easy for me work on my MS part time because some of the classes I needed were always morning only. Now I make 30k/year more than my friend I graduated with who went to Northrup instead (and complains he hasn't done much besides doing layout and documentation b***hwork for shit he didnt even design). When I finish my MS, I'll probably look for embedded jobs...I've still been doing a lot of programming as a hobby the whole time, and it will still be a pay cut, but I'll eventually be able to go teach somewhere that it's cheap to live.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m in embedded right and enjoying the work.
Isn't the electronics industry booming right now? Anyway I asked because because pure electrical engineering isn't offered where I live only electrical and electronic, but different uni's have different focuses. I have a choice between two with the first being more focused on electronics and communications, and the other being focused on the power and renewables sector.
That name of the degree doesn’t matter as much as what you do with it. Just make sure you’re good at math, can program microprocessors, and can look at a circuit diagram and not shit your pants.
Depends what you're doing...I was at the Intel Fab, but 3rd party. Process Techs for intel could sleep a lot, manufacturing techs get raped. Idk about engineers, but I know they get lower starting pay than techs and it takes them 5 years to catch up in pay.
2 years ago
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Process engineer at global, they giving me 73k start. Pretty sure I'll be making more then the techs lol.
Is it any good from a job perspective? The degree itself is very interesting, but I feel like companies would just get a separate mechanical and electrical person instead of one mechatronic
Isn't the electronics industry booming right now? Anyway I asked because because pure electrical engineering isn't offered where I live only electrical and electronic, but different uni's have different focuses. I have a choice between two with the first being more focused on electronics and communications, and the other being focused on the power and renewables sector.
Mechanical is widely accepted in other fields while electrical isn't, if you want to do electrical do electrical, if you think you might want to do anything else do mechanical.
Isn't the electronics industry booming right now? Anyway I asked because because pure electrical engineering isn't offered where I live only electrical and electronic, but different uni's have different focuses. I have a choice between two with the first being more focused on electronics and communications, and the other being focused on the power and renewables sector.
well that's a special situation since your options are limited, but if I were you i'd go with the first option that includes communications
If you pick ME you can work in like 80% of industry with no experience, but will have a lower salary. Most of your knowledge from Uni will be useless, except that you're almost always forced to learn Solidworks which will give you a head start on contributing to an actual team.
If you pick EE you can work in like 40% of fields, but will have a much higher salary. Some of your knowledge from Uni will be useless.
Either way, the vast majority of what you actually learn and use will be things you discover through experience, not classes. So focus more on what you want to do with your degree. Do you want to design ad-hoc components, moldings, etc.? Do you want to have a general knowledge of how fixtures work or how components will interact? Be an ME. Do you want to design computer systems or circuits, and be a resource for something related to electronic systems in general? Be an EE.
Mechanical engies think they'll be building cars when they will really just be calculating vibrations on mechanical parts for three years and then putting numbers and shapes into Autocad until they die.
Electrical engineers think they'll be Ironman but all they become is glorified software devs.ditto fot ECE and CS
Imdustrial engineering grads think they'll optimize away all the words existential problems and break their brain on OR but in the end they just become burnt out middle managers at logistics companies.
my bussy
Either way be prepared to bum lick people's life long work and regurgitate it. Then abide by your corporation's general specifications for your design, which will be restrictive dog shit or mostly copying and modifying it slightly.
Have fun!
>Either way be prepared to bum lick people's life long work and regurgitate it
thats 99.999% of academia until you reach the top, then you get to make a TINY contribution to an ocean of dog shit
That's literally all education and jobs you gay. Only the top 0.1% ever invent something new
Well done dick head. It is. And i've just reapplied it for this kids question. Packaged that fact in a more damning tone. Old is gold. Its always worth hearing it a second time.
Not only that, i find education for that reason a place for bum boys and uglies to make their life have purpose. Regurgitating they don't mind, i'd imagine that's something you don't mind doing either, homosexual.
Now frick off, and go regurgitate Dr. Smiths work, you bum boy, go impress your granny with what shit you learnt, from what some old fart learnt. homosexual.
Why so mad Cleetus? Application got rejected?
I know you don't learn anything that you couldn't yourself at university. It's just a piece of paper. But this piece of paper is what you need to tell employers "I have a decent work ethic and IQ" and get a job.
I'm beyond work and the education instituition. Both can suck my big wiener.
Universe , from nowhere. That's all i fricking need to pave my own way. My life, i'll explore how i see fit.
I don't need lots of money.
There's a lot of dumb c**ts willing to consume and hold hand rails till they die. Nope, not me.
Fricking drones. Reliant on the system, poor them. Frick them. I'm half on, half off at least.
This sounds like it was spoken by those dudes you overhear in the hallways after class when you get your exam results back in a freshman year weedout course
It's completely absurd to demand a proof of willingness to stay in line and regurgitate for jobs that require creating something new. Such people should be filtered OUT.
I happen to work at a company that makes innovative technology. Its a concept i toyed with in university and that has been explored a bit in universites, as far as i can tell my company is the first to turn that into a product to market. It involves solving tons of problems, zero routine, because understanding some physical principles is not enough for a product. The amount of research has decreased tho from the height when we were developing this thing.
100% this, frick engineering I regret majoring in this bullshit
Electrical is more fun and mathematical.
t. Fell for the mechatronics meme
Yo I was actually considering mechatronic because it was a mix between the mech and EE modules. Is this a bad idea?
>Is this a bad idea?
yes, jack of all trades master of none
And oftentimes better than masters of one
I promise you that there isnt a single employer or research team out there that needs a jack of all trades instead of a master of one
Really? Have you heard about T, E and M-shaped skills?
One-trick-ponies won't survive a week in the market.
Not true at all. You're fricking moronic and probably an unemployed zoomer who still lives with his parents.
Well, I did that, couldn't find a job, ended up going for a CS master's, first found a webdev job then a place at a robotics lab. But most of the other guys here were EEs originally.
>Electrical is more fun and mathematical.
electrical and mechanical both have copious amounts of "math." It's literally just linear systems vs. PDEs...you know, those things that, at least in undergrad, reduce to fourier solutions lmfao.
>Fell for the mechatronics meme
Mechatronics and robotics at large has tons of math, but a lot of it is in CS
https://lavalle.pl/planning/
So what would you recommend out of the three?
whatever you find more interesting right now. You can fill in the blanks as you go. That's the whole point of the mathematical stem majors
>Mechatronics and robotics at large has tons of math, but a lot of it is in CS
>https://lavalle.pl/planning/
I literally do Robotics research now after getting my CS MSc my dude. I know this
>"math"
Yes, it's babby tier applied shit, but imo the electrical classes like signals and controls motivate you to actually learn proper math more quickly.
>It's literally just linear systems vs. PDEs...you know, those things that, at least in undergrad, reduce to fourier solutions lmfao.
Tbh, PDE is more math heavy than linear systems. But all of them reduce to Fourier solutions is true. Or Laplace and Z if you're more into control
Unless you want to work with waveguides
Not quite. I got friends that studied EE but got a post graduate in ME and work in generation.
If they want robotics, they'll stick with mechatronics while keeping electronics to work with sensors, control or comm.
Anyways mechatronics is more ME than EE.
>If they want robotics, they'll stick with mechatronics while keeping electronics to work with sensors, control or comm.
Anyways mechatronics is more ME than EE.
is robotic more ME or EE ?
ME afaik
>Electrical is more fun and mathematical.
How so? ME is a lot heavier on PDEs, especially in fluid dynamics.
there is nothing in the entire field of ME at any level that is conceptually harder than picrel, which EEs start doing at the 4000-level
>which EEs start doing at the 4000-level
can you give me an example of a university that uses that book and which specific EE course?
I always thought Jackson's Electrodynamics was something for physics grad students.
In my school (Virginia Tech) if you're an EE in the RF & Microwave major then you do Jackson problems in the senior year Antennas course and in the Radio Engineering course.
You also do a few in Electromagnetism 2 and in the Radio Wave Propagation course.
...and what about differential geometry in continuum mechanics?The tensorial equations are more "complicated" than your vectors or differential 1-forms xD
Do you actually do pde in undergrad?
How many mechanical engineers actually do hard fluid dynamics like modeling of turbines? If we are talking normal liquid pipes then its all as simple as mass and flow conservation and some ohm-like flow equations.
Things like the flow of solid mass in detonations are also intersting. Who does that but computational physicists?
It is a very important field an literally everything, which moves and is expensive is going to be out into a CFD. Also fluidhsolid interaction, coupled problems (Solid Fluid thermal chemical etc). but of course mist of the brainlets are not doing that..... Computational mechanics is an interplay between mechanical engineering, applied mathematics and physics. In research environments, labs etc you typically have an mix of these professions at expert level in this intersection.... Also coding, HPC etc
Engineers don't research PDEs, they generally just use PDE solvers. Mech undergrad classes basically treat differential equations like blackboxes in my experience.
>t. Fell for the mechatronics meme
frick did i just got shot in the foot ?
recently applying on BAS majoring mechatronics.should i back off ?,because I still haven't paid my tuition fees
Just do whatever you feel like. If money is your only concern then study electrical because the salaries are higher for electrical engineers
The one you find most interesting
More variety in EE, if that's your thing. You get to fantasize about killing yourself in CS courses in-between questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics in circuit analysis courses.
>questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics
You sound like you are 20 years old. You think Fourier transform is so hard it induces suicide? Laughable
Everyone has their own interests and limits, relax
>NO, I AM SMARTER!
Of course not, that's the realm of Statistical Mechanics.
>in-between questioning your sanity for dedicating so much time to studying mathematics in circuit analysis courses.
stop overselling your major's difficulty. the math in circuit analysis isn't difficult and mostly devolves to either
>use a transform to make this easy
>use a trick to turn this into a braindead highschool algebra problem
you don't get to any interesting or real math in EE until either final year or grad school
calculus classes are fun
Both of them are going to tie you to a desk and make you want to commit suicide, from workload and from the sedentary nature of the job. Why don't you waffle between civil and environmental instead?
t. environmental EIT who designs subsoil vapor mitigation systems
I compared the modules at my university and civil seemed the most "boring" to me personally. I don't imagine there's going to be a big difference in difficulty between the three. Civil is probably slightly easier, but nothing to make it a point worth
Civil is indeed slightly easier, and that background makes it really easy to choose between a field-based or a design-based career path in a way that I don't think EE or ME would do for you, but you're right - it's boring. With that said, my bias is that I fricking hate being in an office and purposely worked towards not being entirely office-based, and maybe you don't care about that as much as I do, and so between the two you asked about I'd lean ME simply because you have a higher chance of working on cool shit and because you'll have a little more career flexibility. If I could choose again, I'd probably pick environmental science instead of engineering, lol
I have a EE and do field service on semiconductor tools...50/hour work 3/4 alternating 12 hr shifts and usually can sleep for 6 hours each shift.
Why do you do this?
At first it was the same money as any EE offers I was getting (in reality more because there was OT and per diem if I chose to travel), and with a 3/4 schedule it was easy for me work on my MS part time because some of the classes I needed were always morning only. Now I make 30k/year more than my friend I graduated with who went to Northrup instead (and complains he hasn't done much besides doing layout and documentation b***hwork for shit he didnt even design). When I finish my MS, I'll probably look for embedded jobs...I've still been doing a lot of programming as a hobby the whole time, and it will still be a pay cut, but I'll eventually be able to go teach somewhere that it's cheap to live.
I’m in embedded right and enjoying the work.
That name of the degree doesn’t matter as much as what you do with it. Just make sure you’re good at math, can program microprocessors, and can look at a circuit diagram and not shit your pants.
I'm about to start a job at a fab working the 12 hour shift too. Hope I get to sleep as much as you
Depends what you're doing...I was at the Intel Fab, but 3rd party. Process Techs for intel could sleep a lot, manufacturing techs get raped. Idk about engineers, but I know they get lower starting pay than techs and it takes them 5 years to catch up in pay.
Process engineer at global, they giving me 73k start. Pretty sure I'll be making more then the techs lol.
Civil is a total dead end
moron
enjoy barely breaking 6 figures after a decade and a PE while having shitloads of liability lol
Mechatronics :^)
Is it any good from a job perspective? The degree itself is very interesting, but I feel like companies would just get a separate mechanical and electrical person instead of one mechatronic
EE
rest is useless bullshit
mechanical has its obvious advantages, but it's more noisy and needs more maintanence
What about studying electrical vs electronic engineering?
goddammit just do EE
not electronic engineering
not electromechanical engineering
not biomedical engineering
just fricking EE
Isn't the electronics industry booming right now? Anyway I asked because because pure electrical engineering isn't offered where I live only electrical and electronic, but different uni's have different focuses. I have a choice between two with the first being more focused on electronics and communications, and the other being focused on the power and renewables sector.
Mechanical is widely accepted in other fields while electrical isn't, if you want to do electrical do electrical, if you think you might want to do anything else do mechanical.
this is the complete opposite, you're moronic
well that's a special situation since your options are limited, but if I were you i'd go with the first option that includes communications
bio moron
lmao, kys moron
Imagine caring about cogs or transistors when you could be learning how to bend nature to your will. Stay autistic, moron.
OP's asking for help to choose between ME and EE and you throw in Bio like the moron that you are
Do not, under any circumstances, pick biomedical engineering.
Just pick a kind of engineering you find interesting and take bio classes as a minor.
Electrical is cooler imo especially RF
If you pick ME you can work in like 80% of industry with no experience, but will have a lower salary. Most of your knowledge from Uni will be useless, except that you're almost always forced to learn Solidworks which will give you a head start on contributing to an actual team.
If you pick EE you can work in like 40% of fields, but will have a much higher salary. Some of your knowledge from Uni will be useless.
Either way, the vast majority of what you actually learn and use will be things you discover through experience, not classes. So focus more on what you want to do with your degree. Do you want to design ad-hoc components, moldings, etc.? Do you want to have a general knowledge of how fixtures work or how components will interact? Be an ME. Do you want to design computer systems or circuits, and be a resource for something related to electronic systems in general? Be an EE.
Mechanical engies think they'll be building cars when they will really just be calculating vibrations on mechanical parts for three years and then putting numbers and shapes into Autocad until they die.
Electrical engineers think they'll be Ironman but all they become is glorified software devs.ditto fot ECE and CS
Imdustrial engineering grads think they'll optimize away all the words existential problems and break their brain on OR but in the end they just become burnt out middle managers at logistics companies.
Its all vanity man.
PowerPoint and Excel will be your most used tools after 10years in a company. No matter EE or ME