>DEBUNKED! IT'S BEEN DEBOONKED! BUNK BUNK BUNK, ALL LIES! >Lock it. Lock it now. This is the friendliest message I’m going to send, while I look for ways to get OP banned from Github for gross social misconduct. I imagine that “owner of bots universe” might be enough to get that account tagged as a bot, who knows how many communities across however many repositories that person just bothered across all of Github.
because I read the article and he makes fair points. Instead of b***hing about söyland detractors, why don't you fix the problems mentioned therein and prove him wrong
2 years ago
Anonymous
He makes no fair points. Why don't YOU fix the problems mentioned since you are the only one who seems to be having them
2 years ago
Anonymous
because I use X11, he's probably in a better position to fix it than I am but he's made it clear he doesn't wanna
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Encounter bugs >Don't fix them, don't do anything, just complain
Welcome to IQfy, you'll fit in well here
The influence of uriel and the suckless gang on linux devs as a whole has been highly destructive. Simplicity in development is pro-programmer and anti-user. A UNIX user must write a 100 line shell script, or an even worse bashit script if he dare be on gnu/shit, to do what a systemd user can do in a 10 line .ini. However the systemd developer must contend with a massive workload. Wayland seems to be taking a more unixy path, albeit with morons at the wheel. Frick users, and frick developers other than the ones in charge. String together 10 different programs in a shell command if you want that done, it’s not gonna be in the master branch!
The problem is that if you want to make a monolithic display server like Xorg without all the design issues of Xorg, you have to include the compositor and scenegraph and renderer and window manager and all the configuration and settings management in the server. GNOME and KDE and all the other obscure tiling wms will basically never agree on this.
It should have been basically just "xorg but a new protocol" in terms of implementation. They should have come up with some big "desktop" display server based on libwayland which all the typical desktop stuff you need supported. Then GNOME/KDE/etc. wouldn't have had to make everything from scratch but instead they could have just used that. The other benefit would be that there would still be the server + WM separation in wayland like there is in xorg. In wayland, it makes it all one process which is, of course, less modular.
>It should have been basically just "xorg but a new protocol" in terms of implementation.
That is what it was started as >They should have come up with some big "desktop" display server based on libwayland which all the typical desktop stuff you need supported
Weston was supposed to be that but GNOME and KDE didn't want to use it, they wanted to write their own >The other benefit would be that there would still be the server + WM separation in wayland like there is in xorg.
No that wouldn't have happened, it would just be one mega window manager that they each configure >In wayland, it makes it all one process which is, of course, less modular.
No not really, weston supported plugins for modularity, all the other implementations also more or less have their own plugin systems
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nobody wanted to use weston because it's a piece of shit for desktop.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would have been better if GNOME and KDE contributed to it and improved it for their purposes, but they saw no reason to do that
>The influence of uriel and the suckless gang on linux devs as a whole has been highly destructive.
I have been saying this for years.
"Minimalist" and Unix cult groups are useful idiots at best and controlled opposition at worst. They have basically tainted the free software world with compatible, but orthogonal ideas such as extreme minimalism, "Unix philosophy", "simplicity", and so on.
Since they know a little more than nothing and they are extremely loud and arrogant, complete newbies who come across them are easily impressed and start believing that free software is about making all this minimal unusable shit, making snarky vague remarks and rejecting basic conveniences in name of an empty ideal with no real goal in mind.
Free software was never about any of this shit. It was always a movement about personal freedom and it was never meant to dictate how software should be developed on a technical level. In particular, it never claimed that the whole world is supposedly in a race to clone a particular operating system from the 70s.
In fact, the proliferation of these groups greatly contributes to gratuitous hostility in technical discussions, where people are often trying to merely "win" an argument instead of working out an actual feasible solution for a given problem and implementing it. They may even claim that they "hate the drame", but deep down they love it. After all, why would they bother in the first place if they didn't?
"Free software" is an equally cancerous movement based on forcing communist politics on businesses, it's just as much to blame. Free software is a cult group for useful idiots trying to "win" arguments by pushing politics instead of working on an actual feasible solution.
>Wayland seems to be taking a more unixy path
I will never understand how they can claim this with a straight face when the compositor, display server and window manager are all merged into one process by design.
Wayland's design is more schizo if anything. It's unixy in some ways because it is actually more minimal and rips out things like server side drawing and such. On the other hand, it does other things like exactly what you said: merge several processes together into one thing.
>nooooo systemd is, le bad
Don't care, it's good enough and better than the nonexistent competition >noooooooooo rust is for trannies
Don't care, it's easier to use than its competition and still pretty functional for what it is. >noooooooooooooooooo WAYLAND MAN BAD. MUH TEARING AND SHITTY sRGB COLORSPACE
Just shut up already morons. Jesus Christ. You're just wrong and moronic and it's embarrassing at this point.
What do anti-GMO, anti-nuclear, chiropractic, homeopathy, and Wayland activism all have in common? All of them are characterized by a blithe rejection of facts to embrace a narrative of victimization by a bunch of vague hazards.
In the case of Wayland, the “vague hazard” is the slightest potential for programs to be "insecure" by virtue of doing things that are useful and efficient for desktop experiences. "It's insecure!" is a conspiracy theory with no basis in truth, and its supporters have spent years harassing X.org maintainers, contributors, and users. And it's time for it to fricking stop.
X.org works for almost everyone, and works for more people than is even possible with Wayland. Most of the lies you've heard about ways that it's insecure are just that: lies. And if you insist on living in that fantasy, then keep it to yourself, butthole.
All I know is that my plasma session is a lot nicer when running on wayland, when I resize the mpv window or run a game and the kwin screen unredirection works >Wayland Isn't Going to Save The Linux Desktop
I doubt anyone ever claimed that
First he fixed the thumbnails now's his fixing wayland, what a dude man guy
he never fixed the thumbnails he made a broken patch and then abandoned it
Up to date on arch 🙂
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gtk3/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk3-patched-filechooser-icon-view
>gtk3
not up to date
still better than what gnometards did in 16 years
not surprising they're the ones most closely associated to broken shit that wayland is
>this broken useless shit done poorly in 5 minutes is still better than this other broken useless shit done in 16 years
no
His patch breaks xdg-desktop-portal.
It should be only the glib2 one that does that (optional) I think.
>Pages and pages of debunked lies
Not this shit again
>DEBUNKED! IT'S BEEN DEBOONKED! BUNK BUNK BUNK, ALL LIES!
>Lock it. Lock it now. This is the friendliest message I’m going to send, while I look for ways to get OP banned from Github for gross social misconduct. I imagine that “owner of bots universe” might be enough to get that account tagged as a bot, who knows how many communities across however many repositories that person just bothered across all of Github.
Why are you shilling for a Github troony, basedteen gayjakker?
because I read the article and he makes fair points. Instead of b***hing about söyland detractors, why don't you fix the problems mentioned therein and prove him wrong
He makes no fair points. Why don't YOU fix the problems mentioned since you are the only one who seems to be having them
because I use X11, he's probably in a better position to fix it than I am but he's made it clear he doesn't wanna
>Encounter bugs
>Don't fix them, don't do anything, just complain
Welcome to IQfy, you'll fit in well here
Learn to read Black person
I will when you fix the bugs
>NOT DEBUNKED!! ITS NOT BEEN DEBOONKED!! EVERYONE READ MY BLOG!!!!
>Perfect for gorgeous looks, can push asap
>Verify the pull request and merge asap
you will never be Rasneed
Prepare for hundreds of posts of cope from waytards.
The influence of uriel and the suckless gang on linux devs as a whole has been highly destructive. Simplicity in development is pro-programmer and anti-user. A UNIX user must write a 100 line shell script, or an even worse bashit script if he dare be on gnu/shit, to do what a systemd user can do in a 10 line .ini. However the systemd developer must contend with a massive workload. Wayland seems to be taking a more unixy path, albeit with morons at the wheel. Frick users, and frick developers other than the ones in charge. String together 10 different programs in a shell command if you want that done, it’s not gonna be in the master branch!
The problem is that if you want to make a monolithic display server like Xorg without all the design issues of Xorg, you have to include the compositor and scenegraph and renderer and window manager and all the configuration and settings management in the server. GNOME and KDE and all the other obscure tiling wms will basically never agree on this.
It should have been basically just "xorg but a new protocol" in terms of implementation. They should have come up with some big "desktop" display server based on libwayland which all the typical desktop stuff you need supported. Then GNOME/KDE/etc. wouldn't have had to make everything from scratch but instead they could have just used that. The other benefit would be that there would still be the server + WM separation in wayland like there is in xorg. In wayland, it makes it all one process which is, of course, less modular.
>It should have been basically just "xorg but a new protocol" in terms of implementation.
That is what it was started as
>They should have come up with some big "desktop" display server based on libwayland which all the typical desktop stuff you need supported
Weston was supposed to be that but GNOME and KDE didn't want to use it, they wanted to write their own
>The other benefit would be that there would still be the server + WM separation in wayland like there is in xorg.
No that wouldn't have happened, it would just be one mega window manager that they each configure
>In wayland, it makes it all one process which is, of course, less modular.
No not really, weston supported plugins for modularity, all the other implementations also more or less have their own plugin systems
Nobody wanted to use weston because it's a piece of shit for desktop.
It would have been better if GNOME and KDE contributed to it and improved it for their purposes, but they saw no reason to do that
That wouldn't create enough jobs though, would it?
>The influence of uriel and the suckless gang on linux devs as a whole has been highly destructive.
I have been saying this for years.
"Minimalist" and Unix cult groups are useful idiots at best and controlled opposition at worst. They have basically tainted the free software world with compatible, but orthogonal ideas such as extreme minimalism, "Unix philosophy", "simplicity", and so on.
Since they know a little more than nothing and they are extremely loud and arrogant, complete newbies who come across them are easily impressed and start believing that free software is about making all this minimal unusable shit, making snarky vague remarks and rejecting basic conveniences in name of an empty ideal with no real goal in mind.
Free software was never about any of this shit. It was always a movement about personal freedom and it was never meant to dictate how software should be developed on a technical level. In particular, it never claimed that the whole world is supposedly in a race to clone a particular operating system from the 70s.
In fact, the proliferation of these groups greatly contributes to gratuitous hostility in technical discussions, where people are often trying to merely "win" an argument instead of working out an actual feasible solution for a given problem and implementing it. They may even claim that they "hate the drame", but deep down they love it. After all, why would they bother in the first place if they didn't?
"Free software" is an equally cancerous movement based on forcing communist politics on businesses, it's just as much to blame. Free software is a cult group for useful idiots trying to "win" arguments by pushing politics instead of working on an actual feasible solution.
>Wayland seems to be taking a more unixy path
I will never understand how they can claim this with a straight face when the compositor, display server and window manager are all merged into one process by design.
Wayland's design is more schizo if anything. It's unixy in some ways because it is actually more minimal and rips out things like server side drawing and such. On the other hand, it does other things like exactly what you said: merge several processes together into one thing.
wayland is LITERALLY made by trannies
Opportunity is in the wayland threads
There is no opportunity on IQfy IQfy. You will find only complainers, no one here will contribute a single line of code to any projects
god in almighty frick
we *just* had this thread
>nooooo systemd is, le bad
Don't care, it's good enough and better than the nonexistent competition
>noooooooooo rust is for trannies
Don't care, it's easier to use than its competition and still pretty functional for what it is.
>noooooooooooooooooo WAYLAND MAN BAD. MUH TEARING AND SHITTY sRGB COLORSPACE
Just shut up already morons. Jesus Christ. You're just wrong and moronic and it's embarrassing at this point.
Who are you quoting?
You're having a meltdown. Relax.
>dark mode
not reading incel trash
What do anti-GMO, anti-nuclear, chiropractic, homeopathy, and Wayland activism all have in common? All of them are characterized by a blithe rejection of facts to embrace a narrative of victimization by a bunch of vague hazards.
In the case of Wayland, the “vague hazard” is the slightest potential for programs to be "insecure" by virtue of doing things that are useful and efficient for desktop experiences. "It's insecure!" is a conspiracy theory with no basis in truth, and its supporters have spent years harassing X.org maintainers, contributors, and users. And it's time for it to fricking stop.
X.org works for almost everyone, and works for more people than is even possible with Wayland. Most of the lies you've heard about ways that it's insecure are just that: lies. And if you insist on living in that fantasy, then keep it to yourself, butthole.
Don't care. Not using Xorg. Wayland just works. Sway just works.
All I know is that my plasma session is a lot nicer when running on wayland, when I resize the mpv window or run a game and the kwin screen unredirection works
>Wayland Isn't Going to Save The Linux Desktop
I doubt anyone ever claimed that
Wayland just werks. Dudemanguy should link the issues that he mentioned in his article now that this is getting attention.
Without this, it will sound like just meaningless whining.
You WILL fix your own bugs
And you WILL be a real woman