We're Byzantine Greeks the same people as Ancient Greeks? How different are Byzantine Greeks from modern Greeks?
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We're Byzantine Greeks the same people as Ancient Greeks? How different are Byzantine Greeks from modern Greeks?
Copts and modern greeks are the same.
Pretty sure Copts modern descendent of old Egyptian race.
And who conquered Egypt, and what language did the Egyptians have to speak?
Modern greeks have a lot of Slavic admixture, so they’re definitely not the same.
Aren't most of those "Slavs" just descendants of ancient Balkanoids like Illyrians, Dacians, and Thracians?
Byzantine Greek are identical to modern Greeks, both are quite distinct from Ancient ones, notably due to Slavic admixture.
South Slavs are roughly half Slavic and half local, but the local admixture is not purely Paleo-Balkan either. They were some kind of Imperial mystery meat already when the Slav came to rape
During the late Ottoman period, Christians regardless of they spoke Greek or Turkish were considered Rum or Roman. During the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, it was purely a religious population exchange
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This. Anatolian Greeks didn't take a part of the Greek revolution and held on to old Roman traditions.
>They were some kind of Imperial mystery meat
Damn right we wuz.
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Slavs immigrated into illyria after it was left devastated by attila
>We're Byzantine Greeks the same people as Ancient Greeks?
Pretty different, they got severely mutted by Roman globohomo. Then they also got Slav'd on top of that.
Yes.
Why wouldn't they be?
Constantine V settled a huge number of syrians and armenians in Thrace, and a large number of slavs in asia minor. Not to mention the sklaveni in Greece.
It's fair to say the byzantines were already a mixed people by the IXth century.
These questions about Greek genetics and at what level were people mixed are kinda pointless because the largest population influx Greece ever received in its history is the 1922 population exchange where Greece's population almost doubled.
Previous population movements must have been very minor compared to that event because Greece is very mountainous and agricultural areas of wide cultivation are somewhat geographical limited.
Those people were still legally "Greeks" so it wouldn't affect the average of "Greek" genetics even though it would presumably annihilate local profiles
Genetics aside, when people give up their demonym, I tend to assume they are gone as a people. I know the term "Hellene" continued to exist, but in a new context. They clearly saw themselves as a Greco-Roman hybrid people.
Rome actually died only when they started calling themselves Hellenic.
Then, because of that new action, it flourished a new era, in a modern nation, that being the hellenic republic.
That's the actual end of rome.
No 476 shit or 1453 shit or anything like that.
The term Hellene or Achean was used to describe ancient Greeks, not the curent greek speaking population which were "roman". Its confusing I know, but the stigmatization of pagan sympathies especialy among byzantine neoplatonists was real. The ancient greeks were described as the "εθνικοί" , those "of the greek race", in contrast to the current greek speaking inhabitants who were "Romanians" or "Romaniotes".
Consider the distance in time, wars, disease and disasters, lack of records and passing of generation after generation about an empire that lasted almost 1000 years. Also Armenian must have been the second most spoken language in the empires history , considering how many Armenians were represented in the Byzantine nobility.
>Byzantine
2000 years of race mixing really browned them too much to claim they were white anymore. Maybe some lines kept the taboo against polluting their bloodlines but for the most part they're mutts and its only gotten worse over time
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Greeks were brown from the beginning
Ah yes, Greeks were indeed Blacks until colonization occurred. How astute of you to be so up on current woke history from black Twitter.
Byzantines were persian
Why didn't the Byzantines build cool statues of their leaders like their Roman counterparts used to? We can all get a good idea of what an emperor looked like during the Roman empire but can't do the same with Byzantium.
that's pagan or something, idols bad or whatever
man wtf
they prefered 2D (mosaics)
the Byzantine ""Greeks"" were Hellenized Anatolians.
Modern mainland Greeks are Slavic mutts.
Greeks and anatolians were cousins, actually no such thing as purely greek civilization
>Even those who came from the Prytaneum of Athens, and reckon themselves the purest Ionians of all, brought no wives with them to the new country, but married Carian girls, whose fathers they had slain.
>Herodotus
Ancient Greeks were genetically closer to ancient Anatolians than modern Greeks are (save for the Dodecanese and Cypriots).
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