Yeah very true. If there's anything Apple does well it's aesthetic.
https://i.imgur.com/VbM38Te.png
Were Macs ever decent? This seems quite ahead of XP for the time.
Macs have always been pretty good. It was just that they were getting fricked over by Intel and Ive's uncompromising stance in that era probably caused them more problems as Intel continued with the same shitty hot chips that Apple didn't want to cool properly.
Did you not use them as a kid? I know loads who did in primary school, we all had them in the computer rooms. I loved this shit. My mum even got me a macbook on credit back then . I prolly could've become a genius at something if I didn't mostly use it to play roblox.
>ahead of XP
It might look fancy but unfortunately the Mac is a system built on a legacy
Windows is new designs applied on top of old code. Macintosh is old designs being painstakingly recreated in new code even if it makes no fricking sense to do so.
Using a Mac, especially an older one, will just be a baffling experience if you're a Windows power user. How is the multimonitor experience in Snow Leopard worse than Windows 98? How come there's no way to turn off the "everything's a daemon by default" shit? Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
Felt really slick, like on Windows at the time, you booted your computer and came back 10 minutes later so everything could load in. On the Mac it generally booted in about 2 minutes and once loaded, it was ready. This was also on spinning platter drives btw. Oh and malware was becoming a big issue on XP. Apple sold a lot of machines on "well Macs don't get viruses"
This actually makes a lot of sense. I think they ran out of ideas. No real difference in 15-20 years beyond hardware improvements. UI feels unchanged in a not so good way.
> Windows is new designs applied on top of old code. Macintosh is old designs being painstakingly recreated in new code even if it makes no fricking sense to do so.
This statement makes no fricking sense.
> Using a Mac, especially an older one, will just be a baffling experience if you're a Windows power user. How is the multimonitor experience in Snow Leopard worse than Windows 98? How come there's no way to turn off the "everything's a daemon by default" shit? Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
Why are you citing examples that aren't real?
>Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
This is true, but also a symptom that you’re doing it wrong. Mac is either a “put up with it” platform, or pay the troll toll and put up with shitware.
Compared to windows at the time, OS X was great for development, multimedia, and having a pleasant UI. Windows XP always looked like a fisher price toy to me, but more importantly, font rendering was still a bunch of bitmaps, absolutely no support for PDFs or H.264 out of the box, the audio system was so high latency that most people doing music production on Windoze ended up buying dedicated sound cards with custom ASIO drivers that would result in only one application (the DAW) having full control over audio. No PostScript support out of the box either, and printers rarely if ever worked. No idea if Windoze is any better since I havent used it in over a decade at this point. But one of the slickest things about Mac OS at the time was being able to pipe postscript files to your printer via netcat. (That's another thing, Mac OS had relatively up-to-date versions of all the standard Unix utilities, Windows did not and you needed to cope with Cygwin, whose installation would randomly fail half the time).
Anyway, Mac OS is now a husk of its former self. Everything I described is still true but now you have super outdated utilities due to Apple avoiding GPL-3 at all costs. Not to mention, for "security" they have been adding lots of bloat that has subtly increased latency in various parts of the system (especially for Audio Units). Open source software for Mac OS is pretty much non-existent since they dropped 32-bit support (and long gone are the days of people thinking Mac OS is a worthwhile platform to develop for. I don't blame them). QuickTime 7 is gone, which means no easy way to edit any video you'd like as long as you have the extension installed.
I am currently using a mac mini with 64gb of ram running os x 10.14. I plan to ditch this entirely for some Linux distro the moment this computer dies. Never really found much value in apple silicon, especially with the OS becoming more and more like iOS since 10.15.
if you're a UI baby you simply hold option then click the "merge" option. if you know how to use a computer, then you open a terminal and run rsync -auvP source dest. You can even drag and drop the folders in question if you're too lazy to type the paths yourself
>if you know how to use a computer, then you open a terminal and run rsync -auvP source dest
Isn't the main draw to gayOS over linux NOT having to use the CLI?
if you're a UI baby you simply hold option then click the "merge" option. if you know how to use a computer, then you open a terminal and run rsync -auvP source dest. You can even drag and drop the folders in question if you're too lazy to type the paths yourself
You’re on a board full of programmers, no one is impressed that you can use your terminal, anon.
>You’re on a board full of programmers
don't equate programmers with actual experience and finished projects to fizzbuzz LARPers like yourself. know your place.
Snow Leopard for production and Windows 7 for gaymes was such a good dual boot combo back then. Everything just worked how I needed it, when I needed it. It's a shame how both macOS and Windows 11 have gone to shit in the last few years.
Windows was unreliable crap back then, pic related. Linux was solid but hard to use and had little support. So Mac felt like a good middle ground: solid, well supported enough, and very user-friendly. I really wouldn't get one now, but back then it felt worth the premium.
>Why not, anon? What changed since then?
NTA but right now Windows is stable enough, way more than WinXP/2K (mostly due to kernel overhauls) and Linux has matured quite a bit in the desktop space.
It is interesting to note that both Windows and Linux improved their corresponding desktop experience with changes to their audio subsystems. >Windows: Moved audio drivers from kernel-space to user-space >Linux: Introduced user-space audio server (Pulseaudio)
Meanwhile, OSX's audio subsystem has always been perfect
>stable
Windows has been reasonably stable for a while. The problem is that it is slow and bloated as frick, and there's no controlling the telemetry or the updates. Why do I want an OS that I have to fight with every day?
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I 100% agree with you anon, that's why Debian is my daily OS of choice
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That's fair, I just wish the Linux community would get their shit together. Why can't I have a UI and commercial support as high quality as macOS? If you can live with the UI (admittedly getting better) and FOSS alternatives, it's good.
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Well, my hot take is that we're almost there with systemd, pipewire, wayland and KDE.
I remember a company I used to work remotely took me to the US for working in the office for a couple of months and they gave me a MacBook Pro 2015. That was the first time I had a direct exposure to an Apple device. God I hated the OS so much, thankfully I had my HP laptop with Debian and KDE, everyone was bamboozled that I ditched the mac for a shitty laptop
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I'm at a loss as to why you hated it. I'm still using a 2015 MBP (i7, 15", 16gb/1tb) as my main machine because I need to update some 32-bit software to fully move to my i9 16" 2019. It's still kicking ass. Solid as a rock, clean UI, great commercial apps, compile UNIX/Linux shit, run anything in a VM. I had to replace the battery (frick Apple for gluing the old one), and clean it out/replace the thermal paste. My biggest complaint is that Mission Control spaces were best years ago in Snow Leopard.
But I hope you're right about Linux. Windows needs to die and Apple needs strong competition. I would love to see Linux at least tempt me against macOS.
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My bad it's not hatred per se, I was just frustrated because I wasn't used to the OS and its mechanics, I'm more used to GNU/Linux + KDE way more than even Windows. That's pretty much it, everything else worked like a charm.
I admit that I truly liked how everything just worked out of the fricking box, no workarounds no nothing just plug-and-fricking-play.
Now at that I time I wasn't proficient with some technologies like Docker, I'm pretty sure my frustration would have increased because Docker on macOS is executed through a VM contrary to native Linux
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>I had to replace the battery
where do you get decent ones? I've always found aftermarket lithiums to be a bit shit. I have a 2013 mbp, which works well other than battery life is only a couple of hours now. (i've found linux mint with tlp works well on a laptop).
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not as slow as modern macOS
Windows 10 and even Windows11 are faster than Ventura/Sonoma
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>not as fast as modern macOS
fify
Yeah I looked it up after, seems I was wrong. PPE has the same instruction set but is different otherwise. Why did the G5 eat shit so hard then?
>Why did the G5 eat shit so hard then?
IBM had no interest in scaling the size/TDP down so it was never going in a notebook. That's when Apple went with x86.
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have you ever tried to run macos on ancient hardware? I run Ventura on a 2011 13inch Macbook Pro and it can't even render ui at 60fps, more like 30fps or even less. At the same time Windows 11 is buttery smooth.
i recently installed Windows 10 on a 2007 iMac. Again Windows 10 runs faster on that ancient machine than El Captian.
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>I run Ventura on a 2011 13inch Macbook Pro and it can't even render ui at 60fps, more like 30fps or even less.
That most likely has more to do with lack of Metal support on the GPU.
here's kde 3 years before osx came out
It had more features than current macOS, 3 years before it even came out? Impressive.
>Meanwhile, OSX's audio subsystem has always been perfect
outside of the balance bug that have never been fixed, and that high res playback from apple music requires adjusting a separate app, sure.
Ironically the Win2k/WinXP era was the only time Windows was competitive with Mac OS. Apple was in the middle of the changeover from classic Mac OS to Mac OS X. (Basically Mac OS X is not Mac OS, it's NeXTstep, and Apple had to get classic Mac apps running on it as well as make it easy for devs to port their code.) And while it was an amazing technical achievement, it was disruptive, and the first versions of X were sluggish and had problems.
By Snow Leopard (10.6) Mac OS had pulled way ahead, again. While I have numerous complaints about Apple, Windows has never been ahead since then. Windows 7 was pretty good, but still not as good. Windows 10 is bloated sluggish shit that spies on you, Windows 11 is even worse. The Linux community can't get their shit together on UI and commercial software support with 9,001 distros, so it's not competitive for most people.
I hate that Apple moved Macs to ARM with no x86-64 options. My MBP is the last, best i9 16" MBP, and I dread the day I have to upgrade it to ARM. The reason? x86 MBPs are the best dev machines ever created. You can have a VM for any environment, run any code that runs on x86 back to DOS 1.0. Running Windows in a VM on a Mac is vastly superior to a Windows machine for everything except games. I remember my first x86 MBP and the day I tried VMWare (now using Parallels). I imaged all my PCs and sold them.
Back in PowerPC era, yes. Apple was way ahead of Windows and x86. During their Intel times they were okay but Windows slowly catch up to them in software capabilities. Now idk, i don't have an apple silicon mac to play with but i heard Rosetta is fricking great and does wonders
>Were Macs ever decent?
No. Stinky keyboard glue on the iBooks, the loud shit that was the G4 MDD, the fragile as frick Titanium PowerBook, they always had shitty hardware every generation. >This seems quite ahead of XP for the time.
In what way? Aesthetically?
G3 era certainly, G4 era maybe... IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott, every problem with P4 was multiplied and then new ones were added on top, all in the pursuit of clock speed, making a complete piece of shit of an architecture, cucking 7th gen consoles and making Apple switch to Intel.
The last laugh is had by those who bought Socket 939.
>G3 era certainly, G4 era maybe... IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott,
The G5's only problem was that IBM could not scale it down in power consumption/TDP for notebooks. It was otherwise a very fast processor and ahead of x86 when first released. In flight instructions, vector instructions, it raped the competition. It wasn't an architecture problem, IBM just didn't give a shit for that market, they were interested in workstations and servers.
FYI pajeet has fricked our code so hard that most PPC office/productivity software from that time period on a G5 runs circles around today's x86 software, and that shouldn't even be possible given the differences in CPU tech + bus/RAM/main drive speed (SSD vs HDD). It's fricking insane how bad things are today.
>IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott, every problem with P4 was multiplied
No, they were routinely 40%-70% faster at lower clock rates. What the frick are you talking about? The cores in the 7th gen consoles I agree were awful, but those were completely unrelated to the 970/970FX/970MP used in the G5 Macs, for one, the G5 Macs were not in-order garbage.
1Ghz TiPB is quite possibly the best laptop ever made. It was so ahead of its time it was the fastest laptop for YEARS. It was also built like a tank. Way more durable than any other laptop I've ever used (aluminum is a joke in comparison)
It was excellent compared to most other laptop trackpads. There's a reason so many people preferred the Thinkpad red nipple
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The G3 tackpads were literally better. (I still have a TiPB and a G3 PB because I like old shit.) The later MBP trackpads are God tier except for getting too big.
macs are only good if you want to stay in apple's walled garden and use their own software most of the time. The software pool was always better on windows, and on linux you have a huge open source pool too.
the average mac user only has access to the app store. Yeah you can go on github and search for projects to compile, but who tf has time for that? I don't have to compile anything and just open up my package manager gui and it's filled with open source things I can install app store style. Linux devs would have to go out of their way to compile their programs for mac, mac them available on the app store, etc. and it doesn't seem worth it. Most mac users stick to the apple stuff for a reason.
It's essentially the same amount of hassle as installing them on loonix.
>install homebrew >type 'brew install [thing]' >thing is installed
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no clue. All I remember was that I used a mac back in 2015 and it was a pain to install stuff and would shoot errors out the ass lmao. I stuck to only using programs where I could download the binary from the devs' website like vlc. I don't use the terminal on loonix either, I prefer having a gui.
we had one of these in the house when I was a kid. I just remember there were so many different programs, games, and accessories that wouldn't work with it. the operating system was very pretty but I hated the feeling of being separated from a bigger world.
yes, snow leopard was when they peaked and its been downhill since
the ARM series is pretty neat purely just because of the battery life to performance ratio you can get, i have a macbook pro i use for work just because the battery life is incredible and the display and speakers are nice, when im fricking off at work it makes watching movies nice
only other thing i like is the weather widget is pretty nicely animated and the mail app is good
outside of that, its shit
windows is shit too though
linux is better but its still shit
everything has basically all just gone to shit in its own way, i miss old tech
i've only used macs while at school (7/8/9, 10.3-10.4) and they were comfy for just surface usage, like not being a personal computer i couldn't really get into them fully
i played around with hackintoshing 10.4 briefly when the first x86 versions of it came out, and while it was a very pretty and smooth experience, it didn't run any of my software so i didn't have much actual use for it
>This seems quite ahead of XP for the time.
quite ahead of its time.
tim cook was still cooking cow dunk that steve jobs stole from the indian district and they were still envisioning what's out there to copy.
pic unrelated is xfeces the same year macos tiger came out.
Modern Mac OS is a continuation of NeXTSTEP, which had essentially the same UI and functionality in 1989. In fact the early betas of OS X from before Aqua was finished still ran Workspace Manager, and to this day most of the bundled Mac OS apps like the text editor and terminal are from 1990.
Nah I just mean using it seems like it might be weird, if you're using a window somewhere on the right, it could be quite the travel to reach its menus.
I guess, it's never been a problem for me. Pretty much everything has keyboard shortcuts and if it was an app where I constantly needed to dig through the menus for some reason I'd just put it on the left
The graphics stack was innovative. OS X had a flashy compositing window manager while both XP and Linux were stuck in the stone age. With hindsight we can see that this was not such a good thing after all.
Best memories of computing I have. Still the best looking desktop to have existed.
Yeah very true. If there's anything Apple does well it's aesthetic.
Macs have always been pretty good. It was just that they were getting fricked over by Intel and Ive's uncompromising stance in that era probably caused them more problems as Intel continued with the same shitty hot chips that Apple didn't want to cool properly.
Did you not use them as a kid? I know loads who did in primary school, we all had them in the computer rooms. I loved this shit. My mum even got me a macbook on credit back then . I prolly could've become a genius at something if I didn't mostly use it to play roblox.
Tiger > Catalina >>>>>>>> Everything else
>ahead of XP
It might look fancy but unfortunately the Mac is a system built on a legacy
Windows is new designs applied on top of old code. Macintosh is old designs being painstakingly recreated in new code even if it makes no fricking sense to do so.
Using a Mac, especially an older one, will just be a baffling experience if you're a Windows power user. How is the multimonitor experience in Snow Leopard worse than Windows 98? How come there's no way to turn off the "everything's a daemon by default" shit? Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
Felt really slick, like on Windows at the time, you booted your computer and came back 10 minutes later so everything could load in. On the Mac it generally booted in about 2 minutes and once loaded, it was ready. This was also on spinning platter drives btw. Oh and malware was becoming a big issue on XP. Apple sold a lot of machines on "well Macs don't get viruses"
This actually makes a lot of sense. I think they ran out of ideas. No real difference in 15-20 years beyond hardware improvements. UI feels unchanged in a not so good way.
> Windows is new designs applied on top of old code. Macintosh is old designs being painstakingly recreated in new code even if it makes no fricking sense to do so.
This statement makes no fricking sense.
> Using a Mac, especially an older one, will just be a baffling experience if you're a Windows power user. How is the multimonitor experience in Snow Leopard worse than Windows 98? How come there's no way to turn off the "everything's a daemon by default" shit? Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
Why are you citing examples that aren't real?
>Why is the solution to almost every problem to buy a $25 shareware app instead of freeware or open source?
This is true, but also a symptom that you’re doing it wrong. Mac is either a “put up with it” platform, or pay the troll toll and put up with shitware.
Compared to windows at the time, OS X was great for development, multimedia, and having a pleasant UI. Windows XP always looked like a fisher price toy to me, but more importantly, font rendering was still a bunch of bitmaps, absolutely no support for PDFs or H.264 out of the box, the audio system was so high latency that most people doing music production on Windoze ended up buying dedicated sound cards with custom ASIO drivers that would result in only one application (the DAW) having full control over audio. No PostScript support out of the box either, and printers rarely if ever worked. No idea if Windoze is any better since I havent used it in over a decade at this point. But one of the slickest things about Mac OS at the time was being able to pipe postscript files to your printer via netcat. (That's another thing, Mac OS had relatively up-to-date versions of all the standard Unix utilities, Windows did not and you needed to cope with Cygwin, whose installation would randomly fail half the time).
Anyway, Mac OS is now a husk of its former self. Everything I described is still true but now you have super outdated utilities due to Apple avoiding GPL-3 at all costs. Not to mention, for "security" they have been adding lots of bloat that has subtly increased latency in various parts of the system (especially for Audio Units). Open source software for Mac OS is pretty much non-existent since they dropped 32-bit support (and long gone are the days of people thinking Mac OS is a worthwhile platform to develop for. I don't blame them). QuickTime 7 is gone, which means no easy way to edit any video you'd like as long as you have the extension installed.
I am currently using a mac mini with 64gb of ram running os x 10.14. I plan to ditch this entirely for some Linux distro the moment this computer dies. Never really found much value in apple silicon, especially with the OS becoming more and more like iOS since 10.15.
Tiger 10.4.x was a pretty good OS. Snow Leopard 10.6.x was way better
>more like iOS
agree, do not want a phone OS on my computer either
frick off, we're full
no, macs are curryBlack person shit, always have been, always will be
if you're a UI baby you simply hold option then click the "merge" option. if you know how to use a computer, then you open a terminal and run rsync -auvP source dest. You can even drag and drop the folders in question if you're too lazy to type the paths yourself
GNU/Linux doesn't have your curryBlack personOS problems.
>Nautilus
has bigger problems instead 🙂
>if you know how to use a computer, then you open a terminal and run rsync -auvP source dest
Isn't the main draw to gayOS over linux NOT having to use the CLI?
Literally no one in India can even afford Apple products. Dumbest forced meme out there.
Pajeets love Windows.
Indian hands make all macs
operator error. why are you attempting to replace it if you are wishing to merge data ?
>pic
Wow that is moronic.
You’re on a board full of programmers, no one is impressed that you can use your terminal, anon.
>You’re on a board full of programmers
don't equate programmers with actual experience and finished projects to fizzbuzz LARPers like yourself. know your place.
What a projection, lmao. Looks like I hit a nerve, sorry haha
And a nerve you did hit fellow redditor
Thought that was Gnome for a second. Explains why it's shit.
Who knows. I wanted a computer that could also play games
No. I've used Mac OS 6-X and it's shit.
It is currently good but it was even better before it took concepts from iOS, that was around Lion
Snow Leopard was the best release by a wide margin
Snow Leopard for production and Windows 7 for gaymes was such a good dual boot combo back then. Everything just worked how I needed it, when I needed it. It's a shame how both macOS and Windows 11 have gone to shit in the last few years.
Windows was unreliable crap back then, pic related. Linux was solid but hard to use and had little support. So Mac felt like a good middle ground: solid, well supported enough, and very user-friendly. I really wouldn't get one now, but back then it felt worth the premium.
>I really wouldn't get one now, but back then it felt worth the premium.
Why not, anon? What changed since then?
>Why not, anon? What changed since then?
NTA but right now Windows is stable enough, way more than WinXP/2K (mostly due to kernel overhauls) and Linux has matured quite a bit in the desktop space.
It is interesting to note that both Windows and Linux improved their corresponding desktop experience with changes to their audio subsystems.
>Windows: Moved audio drivers from kernel-space to user-space
>Linux: Introduced user-space audio server (Pulseaudio)
Meanwhile, OSX's audio subsystem has always been perfect
>stable
Windows has been reasonably stable for a while. The problem is that it is slow and bloated as frick, and there's no controlling the telemetry or the updates. Why do I want an OS that I have to fight with every day?
I 100% agree with you anon, that's why Debian is my daily OS of choice
That's fair, I just wish the Linux community would get their shit together. Why can't I have a UI and commercial support as high quality as macOS? If you can live with the UI (admittedly getting better) and FOSS alternatives, it's good.
Well, my hot take is that we're almost there with systemd, pipewire, wayland and KDE.
I remember a company I used to work remotely took me to the US for working in the office for a couple of months and they gave me a MacBook Pro 2015. That was the first time I had a direct exposure to an Apple device. God I hated the OS so much, thankfully I had my HP laptop with Debian and KDE, everyone was bamboozled that I ditched the mac for a shitty laptop
I'm at a loss as to why you hated it. I'm still using a 2015 MBP (i7, 15", 16gb/1tb) as my main machine because I need to update some 32-bit software to fully move to my i9 16" 2019. It's still kicking ass. Solid as a rock, clean UI, great commercial apps, compile UNIX/Linux shit, run anything in a VM. I had to replace the battery (frick Apple for gluing the old one), and clean it out/replace the thermal paste. My biggest complaint is that Mission Control spaces were best years ago in Snow Leopard.
But I hope you're right about Linux. Windows needs to die and Apple needs strong competition. I would love to see Linux at least tempt me against macOS.
My bad it's not hatred per se, I was just frustrated because I wasn't used to the OS and its mechanics, I'm more used to GNU/Linux + KDE way more than even Windows. That's pretty much it, everything else worked like a charm.
I admit that I truly liked how everything just worked out of the fricking box, no workarounds no nothing just plug-and-fricking-play.
Now at that I time I wasn't proficient with some technologies like Docker, I'm pretty sure my frustration would have increased because Docker on macOS is executed through a VM contrary to native Linux
>I had to replace the battery
where do you get decent ones? I've always found aftermarket lithiums to be a bit shit. I have a 2013 mbp, which works well other than battery life is only a couple of hours now. (i've found linux mint with tlp works well on a laptop).
not as slow as modern macOS
Windows 10 and even Windows11 are faster than Ventura/Sonoma
>not as fast as modern macOS
fify
>Why did the G5 eat shit so hard then?
IBM had no interest in scaling the size/TDP down so it was never going in a notebook. That's when Apple went with x86.
have you ever tried to run macos on ancient hardware? I run Ventura on a 2011 13inch Macbook Pro and it can't even render ui at 60fps, more like 30fps or even less. At the same time Windows 11 is buttery smooth.
i recently installed Windows 10 on a 2007 iMac. Again Windows 10 runs faster on that ancient machine than El Captian.
>I run Ventura on a 2011 13inch Macbook Pro and it can't even render ui at 60fps, more like 30fps or even less.
That most likely has more to do with lack of Metal support on the GPU.
It had more features than current macOS, 3 years before it even came out? Impressive.
>Meanwhile, OSX's audio subsystem has always been perfect
outside of the balance bug that have never been fixed, and that high res playback from apple music requires adjusting a separate app, sure.
>I didn't play video games
Sorry but the Mac wasn't playing battle zone 98 or mech warriors.
It could be far better in 2024. I'm convinced the Mac software team is just a janitors closet at this point.
Ironically the Win2k/WinXP era was the only time Windows was competitive with Mac OS. Apple was in the middle of the changeover from classic Mac OS to Mac OS X. (Basically Mac OS X is not Mac OS, it's NeXTstep, and Apple had to get classic Mac apps running on it as well as make it easy for devs to port their code.) And while it was an amazing technical achievement, it was disruptive, and the first versions of X were sluggish and had problems.
By Snow Leopard (10.6) Mac OS had pulled way ahead, again. While I have numerous complaints about Apple, Windows has never been ahead since then. Windows 7 was pretty good, but still not as good. Windows 10 is bloated sluggish shit that spies on you, Windows 11 is even worse. The Linux community can't get their shit together on UI and commercial software support with 9,001 distros, so it's not competitive for most people.
I hate that Apple moved Macs to ARM with no x86-64 options. My MBP is the last, best i9 16" MBP, and I dread the day I have to upgrade it to ARM. The reason? x86 MBPs are the best dev machines ever created. You can have a VM for any environment, run any code that runs on x86 back to DOS 1.0. Running Windows in a VM on a Mac is vastly superior to a Windows machine for everything except games. I remember my first x86 MBP and the day I tried VMWare (now using Parallels). I imaged all my PCs and sold them.
while looking nice, it was never very functional, even today it's a pointless machine to use
Ahead in terms of UI is not a good thing.
No.
What does the Apple III have to do with the Macintosh platform?
Back in PowerPC era, yes. Apple was way ahead of Windows and x86. During their Intel times they were okay but Windows slowly catch up to them in software capabilities. Now idk, i don't have an apple silicon mac to play with but i heard Rosetta is fricking great and does wonders
>Were Macs ever decent?
No. Stinky keyboard glue on the iBooks, the loud shit that was the G4 MDD, the fragile as frick Titanium PowerBook, they always had shitty hardware every generation.
>This seems quite ahead of XP for the time.
In what way? Aesthetically?
G3 era certainly, G4 era maybe... IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott, every problem with P4 was multiplied and then new ones were added on top, all in the pursuit of clock speed, making a complete piece of shit of an architecture, cucking 7th gen consoles and making Apple switch to Intel.
The last laugh is had by those who bought Socket 939.
>the fragile as frick Titanium PowerBook
You're high or just lying. My TiPB was treated like a frisbee and never broke
>G3 era certainly, G4 era maybe... IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott,
The G5's only problem was that IBM could not scale it down in power consumption/TDP for notebooks. It was otherwise a very fast processor and ahead of x86 when first released. In flight instructions, vector instructions, it raped the competition. It wasn't an architecture problem, IBM just didn't give a shit for that market, they were interested in workstations and servers.
FYI pajeet has fricked our code so hard that most PPC office/productivity software from that time period on a G5 runs circles around today's x86 software, and that shouldn't even be possible given the differences in CPU tech + bus/RAM/main drive speed (SSD vs HDD). It's fricking insane how bad things are today.
>in order execution
>longer pipeline than Prescott
All the hallmarks of a great CPU arch... Not really.
>IBM 970 was a far bigger pile of shit than Prescott, every problem with P4 was multiplied
No, they were routinely 40%-70% faster at lower clock rates. What the frick are you talking about? The cores in the 7th gen consoles I agree were awful, but those were completely unrelated to the 970/970FX/970MP used in the G5 Macs, for one, the G5 Macs were not in-order garbage.
Yeah I looked it up after, seems I was wrong. PPE has the same instruction set but is different otherwise. Why did the G5 eat shit so hard then?
1Ghz TiPB is quite possibly the best laptop ever made. It was so ahead of its time it was the fastest laptop for YEARS. It was also built like a tank. Way more durable than any other laptop I've ever used (aluminum is a joke in comparison)
The TiPB was pretty awesome except for that damn trackpad which was trash compared to today's trackpads or even trackpads on the G3 PowerBooks.
It was excellent compared to most other laptop trackpads. There's a reason so many people preferred the Thinkpad red nipple
The G3 tackpads were literally better. (I still have a TiPB and a G3 PB because I like old shit.) The later MBP trackpads are God tier except for getting too big.
I never had an issue but always used tap to click
famous for cracked screen hinges.
The ribbon cable you mean, and that was mainly because other laptops were so crap they didn't last long enough for their ribbon cables to fatigue
no, the hinges. they were revised on the later models.
At that time, it was peak desktop.
My M2 Max runs all day. All fricking day playing Switch games
macs are only good if you want to stay in apple's walled garden and use their own software most of the time. The software pool was always better on windows, and on linux you have a huge open source pool too.
>and on linux you have a huge open source pool too.
You literally have this same software pool on MacOS
the average mac user only has access to the app store. Yeah you can go on github and search for projects to compile, but who tf has time for that? I don't have to compile anything and just open up my package manager gui and it's filled with open source things I can install app store style. Linux devs would have to go out of their way to compile their programs for mac, mac them available on the app store, etc. and it doesn't seem worth it. Most mac users stick to the apple stuff for a reason.
>mac them available on the app store
make them available on the app store* kek
It's essentially the same amount of hassle as installing them on loonix.
>install homebrew
>type 'brew install [thing]'
>thing is installed
no clue. All I remember was that I used a mac back in 2015 and it was a pain to install stuff and would shoot errors out the ass lmao. I stuck to only using programs where I could download the binary from the devs' website like vlc. I don't use the terminal on loonix either, I prefer having a gui.
Boot camp was clutch, sad it’s gone now.
we had one of these in the house when I was a kid. I just remember there were so many different programs, games, and accessories that wouldn't work with it. the operating system was very pretty but I hated the feeling of being separated from a bigger world.
yes, snow leopard was when they peaked and its been downhill since
the ARM series is pretty neat purely just because of the battery life to performance ratio you can get, i have a macbook pro i use for work just because the battery life is incredible and the display and speakers are nice, when im fricking off at work it makes watching movies nice
only other thing i like is the weather widget is pretty nicely animated and the mail app is good
outside of that, its shit
windows is shit too though
linux is better but its still shit
everything has basically all just gone to shit in its own way, i miss old tech
>i miss old tech
i loved it when my cd burning would fail because I opened netscape.
i've only used macs while at school (7/8/9, 10.3-10.4) and they were comfy for just surface usage, like not being a personal computer i couldn't really get into them fully
i played around with hackintoshing 10.4 briefly when the first x86 versions of it came out, and while it was a very pretty and smooth experience, it didn't run any of my software so i didn't have much actual use for it
>This seems quite ahead of XP for the time.
quite ahead of its time.
tim cook was still cooking cow dunk that steve jobs stole from the indian district and they were still envisioning what's out there to copy.
pic unrelated is xfeces the same year macos tiger came out.
here's kde 3 years before osx came out
>classic mac icons
Modern Mac OS is a continuation of NeXTSTEP, which had essentially the same UI and functionality in 1989. In fact the early betas of OS X from before Aqua was finished still ran Workspace Manager, and to this day most of the bundled Mac OS apps like the text editor and terminal are from 1990.
always have been
>cant play vidia, because vidia is on WINDOWS
it was absolute unusabe trash and i kept laughing to appletards like i do now too
Are macs ok for ultrawide? I fear that menubar could get awkward
You can just hide the menu if you really need the extra ~26 pixels.
Nah I just mean using it seems like it might be weird, if you're using a window somewhere on the right, it could be quite the travel to reach its menus.
I guess, it's never been a problem for me. Pretty much everything has keyboard shortcuts and if it was an app where I constantly needed to dig through the menus for some reason I'd just put it on the left
I bought an open-box M3 Pro 12-core CPU, 18-core GPU at Best Buy for like $1500. Pretty decent machine not going to lie.
I really wanted the fully specced out M3 Max, but it's simply not worth the $3500.
I just got this device to consoom. LOL. It has a great screen and speakers. I also play RuneScape on it.
The graphics stack was innovative. OS X had a flashy compositing window manager while both XP and Linux were stuck in the stone age. With hindsight we can see that this was not such a good thing after all.