>le life doesn’t make any sense, it’s all so absurd!!!
Uh ok you can just follow some sort of religion or spirituality to make it more meaningful and see beyond just the coldness of this unforgiving nonsensical world >noooooo!!!! I cant with the heckin’ elusions!! I need to know what is true!
Ok you can try to get to the bottom of it with a more rigorous method of science >none of that matters to me! What difference does it make! I’m going to step into the cold unknown darkness and enjoy it for what it is!!! I won’t need anything to be happy, I am here and I will make the most of it! One must imagine sissyphus happy!
*Zooms out to modern day paris and a sitcom laugh track ensues*
Yeah he was, It's an interesting thought experiment that he pulls, I was quite frustrated with his books because I'm now living in an age where his beliefs have taken hold, it's a terribly ugly society. It served me only to reaffirm my traditionalist beliefs so I would only recommend it to someone who wants to test where their priorities lie I guess.
>>le life doesn’t make any sense, it’s all so absurd!!! >Uh ok you can just follow some sort of religion or spirituality to make it more meaningful
KEK ask me how I know you've never read the MoS, you fricking sexless anglo c**t. >Ok you can try to get to the bottom of it with a more rigorous method of science
Zoomer homosexual.
This is fricking sad. So much meme-posting about a man and none of you are even willing to engage him earnestly. He's literally one of the easiest philosopher to understand and one of the most rewarding and you c**ts purposefully do everything to avoid spending what, 2~3 hours at most on a book that will possibly, if nothing else, improve your life more than any self-help or self-improvement book out there. And happens to explains the existential basis for its wisdom in a way that allow you to understand your place in the world.
>life is... le absurd!!!
that's about as smart and deep as it gets
>>life is... le absurd!!! > that's about as smart and deep as it gets
No its not. Even if you just look at his concept of the Absurd, it isn't that shallow, and there are actually interesting and deep debates about the status of the Absurd to be explored. For example, reducing Absurdity to "Life is le absurd!" is one of the biggest point of disagreement between Camus and Sartre. For Sartre Absurdity is an ontological fact, as true and eternal as gravity or any other physical force. His Absurd could be reduced to "life is le absurd!!" and it would actually work (something he probably felt and that's why he had to write a billion words on it to obfuscate the issue). Camus insist that the Absurd is an existential moment, that it is "true" regardless of idealism or materialism being the case, regardless of theism or atheism being the case, and that it is not what it means to the foundation of epistemology which is important, but rather how it relates to our personal agency and ethics.
Camus epitomize the Catholic moment of earnest rebellion toward God that is a natural component of our relation toward him, and that later makes our reunion into Christ that much more meaningful. That you can't see him from your average modern all-is-relative materialist zoomer fedora tipper is fricking sad.
To expand a bit on this.
For Camus the Absurd is not a "fact of the world", but a fact of our relation to the world. And it is not that meaning isn't real, or that our achievements are temporary, or that because materialism is true then we are meaningless because of the scale of the universe or whatever. It isn't that he refuses the scientific method to determine scientific facts, or any other method which may produce wisdom or true statement. Its that we, specifically as human beings, have a component to our psyche, to our Ego, which requires of the world that meaning be real, that our achievements don't remain temporary, that our importance cannot be determined by the scale (or perhaps better worded, that WE are the scale) of where we are in the Universe, that when we reach truth it is Absolute Truth even if only potentially... etc... AND that the world isn't the kind of thing to be able to fulfill these expectations or give us the guarantee of it.
That the world would create a being which has to ask of the world things it cannot do is by essence Absurd. For a Catholic, this translates into "That God would create humans with their sense of Ego such that humans would naturally rebel at the thought of absolute submission to God, which is their natural end, is Absurd." Contrary to what zoomer c**ts want you to believe on this board, such a thought is not blasphemous, but rather a key moment in a man's journey toward Christ and the Church.
But if Camus had only made a good representation of the young man's rebellious moment toward God and the Universe, he would have been barely worthy of a footnote. What truly underline him as *the* best Catholic Existentialism precursor is that he naturally understood the solution, if he did not understand what it meant in the order of things. He simply doesn't completely hone in on the irreducible core of human existence, which is moral action, or human action in general, and how religion becomes a set of moral actions in the same way as the artist's artistic performance, or the Don Juan's flirtation.
Had he lived longer he would 100% have made the connection.
Camus -> Emmanuel Mounier -> Karol Wojtyła is pretty much everything you need to live a wholesome happy life surrounded by wholesome happy people and then be welcomed into Heaven where you will have a wholesome happy Afterlife, and it is a goddamn tragedy so few realizes it.
>or that because materialism is true then we are meaningless because of the scale of the universe or whatever.
this has been the reason to why leftists have been coming up with any and all bullshit to cope for the last 60 years
This, Camus helped me verbalize thoughts I’d been building on my own in simple terms. But he doesn’t have his own specialized jargon that you can sprinkle in to sound intelligent so he’s looked down on as too simplistic.
Camus was not a catholic. you spewed a whole of vitriol but not a single point was made. Camus in MOS explicitly refers to religious thought and the idea of reaching for transcendent as merely alluding to something, but he doesn't want that. He doesn't want to be chained to some sort of rationality or "end" in order to achieve happiness because that would make him reliant on that system of thought. feelings of absurdity are felt when someone in their attempt to rationalize the world is met with the cold silence of it. you were right in that he didn't actually think life was absurd, You can be prone to feelings of absurdity however due to needing a justifiaction. Camus then suggests living life for what it's worth and making the most of it, facing the nonsensical darkness, and walking that path. Your attempt to synthesize this with Christianity is something that was not at all brought up in MOS. idk why you're getting mad that I don't believe in things that were literally never brought up in the book. > One must therefore turn away. Kierkegaard may shout in warning: “If man had no eternal consciousness, if, at the bottom of everything, there were merely a wild, seething force producing everything, both large and trifling, in the storm of dark passions, if the bottomless void that nothing can fill underlay all things, what would life be but despair?” This cry is not likely to stop the absurd man. Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable. If in order to elude the anxious question: “What would life be?” one must, like the donkey, feed on the roses of illusion, then the absurd mind, rather than resigning itself to falsehood, prefers to adopt fearlessly Kierkegaard’s reply: “despair.” Everything considered, a determined soul will always manage.
You are basically arguing that, this it is all part of uniting back with god, I myself am a person that is returning back to religion after being athiest for a while, if what you're saying is that this thought process is part of the path I am in full agreement as I've done the same. But you cannot sperg out on others if Camus wasn't religious and never made the connection himself. His works as they ended inspired modern society to turn incredibly disgusting and hedonistic (I am aware camus is not a hedonist, but his constant affairs with women and his habit of smoking definitely inspires the image)
To add to this, this is why he says "One must imagine Sisyphus happy" To Camus Sisyphus seemed entirely uninterested in appealing to some higher order shown by his treatment of the gods, his struggles, and his efforts he has no interest in alluding to something greater with his actions, which is why he is perfectly content endlessly rolling up the boulder, the misery only comes if he desires for something greater or more meaningful, his happiness is dependant on nothing, he faces the cold darkness and lives in it for it's own sake. >All Sisyphus’ silent joy is contained therein. His fate belongs to him. His rock is his thing. Likewise, the absurd man, when he contemplates his torment, silences all the idols. In the universe suddenly restored to silence, the myriad wondering little voices of the earth rise up. Unconscious, secret calls, invitations from all the faces, they are the necessary reverse and price of victory. there is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night. The absurd man says yes and his effort will henceforth be unceasing. If there is a personal fate, there is no higher destiny, or at least there is but one which he concludes is inevitable and despicable. For the rest, he knows himself to be the master of his days. ........... I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one’s burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
Really nothing interesting or useful
Le Absurdity
>bro we can't predict our destiny
Best literature you have ever read, I really recommend the stranger
great books, no that deep
>le life doesn’t make any sense, it’s all so absurd!!!
Uh ok you can just follow some sort of religion or spirituality to make it more meaningful and see beyond just the coldness of this unforgiving nonsensical world
>noooooo!!!! I cant with the heckin’ elusions!! I need to know what is true!
Ok you can try to get to the bottom of it with a more rigorous method of science
>none of that matters to me! What difference does it make! I’m going to step into the cold unknown darkness and enjoy it for what it is!!! I won’t need anything to be happy, I am here and I will make the most of it! One must imagine sissyphus happy!
*Zooms out to modern day paris and a sitcom laugh track ensues*
Camus was a joke.
Just read Zapffe, op.
Yeah he was, It's an interesting thought experiment that he pulls, I was quite frustrated with his books because I'm now living in an age where his beliefs have taken hold, it's a terribly ugly society. It served me only to reaffirm my traditionalist beliefs so I would only recommend it to someone who wants to test where their priorities lie I guess.
You literally don't understand Camus, and he's not even difficult to understand.
Elaborate anon, I’d like know then. I read the stranger and mos and it was incredibly painful to me
>>le life doesn’t make any sense, it’s all so absurd!!!
>Uh ok you can just follow some sort of religion or spirituality to make it more meaningful
KEK ask me how I know you've never read the MoS, you fricking sexless anglo c**t.
>Ok you can try to get to the bottom of it with a more rigorous method of science
Zoomer homosexual.
This is fricking sad. So much meme-posting about a man and none of you are even willing to engage him earnestly. He's literally one of the easiest philosopher to understand and one of the most rewarding and you c**ts purposefully do everything to avoid spending what, 2~3 hours at most on a book that will possibly, if nothing else, improve your life more than any self-help or self-improvement book out there. And happens to explains the existential basis for its wisdom in a way that allow you to understand your place in the world.
>>life is... le absurd!!!
> that's about as smart and deep as it gets
No its not. Even if you just look at his concept of the Absurd, it isn't that shallow, and there are actually interesting and deep debates about the status of the Absurd to be explored. For example, reducing Absurdity to "Life is le absurd!" is one of the biggest point of disagreement between Camus and Sartre. For Sartre Absurdity is an ontological fact, as true and eternal as gravity or any other physical force. His Absurd could be reduced to "life is le absurd!!" and it would actually work (something he probably felt and that's why he had to write a billion words on it to obfuscate the issue). Camus insist that the Absurd is an existential moment, that it is "true" regardless of idealism or materialism being the case, regardless of theism or atheism being the case, and that it is not what it means to the foundation of epistemology which is important, but rather how it relates to our personal agency and ethics.
Camus epitomize the Catholic moment of earnest rebellion toward God that is a natural component of our relation toward him, and that later makes our reunion into Christ that much more meaningful. That you can't see him from your average modern all-is-relative materialist zoomer fedora tipper is fricking sad.
To expand a bit on this.
For Camus the Absurd is not a "fact of the world", but a fact of our relation to the world. And it is not that meaning isn't real, or that our achievements are temporary, or that because materialism is true then we are meaningless because of the scale of the universe or whatever. It isn't that he refuses the scientific method to determine scientific facts, or any other method which may produce wisdom or true statement. Its that we, specifically as human beings, have a component to our psyche, to our Ego, which requires of the world that meaning be real, that our achievements don't remain temporary, that our importance cannot be determined by the scale (or perhaps better worded, that WE are the scale) of where we are in the Universe, that when we reach truth it is Absolute Truth even if only potentially... etc... AND that the world isn't the kind of thing to be able to fulfill these expectations or give us the guarantee of it.
That the world would create a being which has to ask of the world things it cannot do is by essence Absurd. For a Catholic, this translates into "That God would create humans with their sense of Ego such that humans would naturally rebel at the thought of absolute submission to God, which is their natural end, is Absurd." Contrary to what zoomer c**ts want you to believe on this board, such a thought is not blasphemous, but rather a key moment in a man's journey toward Christ and the Church.
But if Camus had only made a good representation of the young man's rebellious moment toward God and the Universe, he would have been barely worthy of a footnote. What truly underline him as *the* best Catholic Existentialism precursor is that he naturally understood the solution, if he did not understand what it meant in the order of things. He simply doesn't completely hone in on the irreducible core of human existence, which is moral action, or human action in general, and how religion becomes a set of moral actions in the same way as the artist's artistic performance, or the Don Juan's flirtation.
Had he lived longer he would 100% have made the connection.
Camus -> Emmanuel Mounier -> Karol Wojtyła is pretty much everything you need to live a wholesome happy life surrounded by wholesome happy people and then be welcomed into Heaven where you will have a wholesome happy Afterlife, and it is a goddamn tragedy so few realizes it.
>or that because materialism is true then we are meaningless because of the scale of the universe or whatever.
this has been the reason to why leftists have been coming up with any and all bullshit to cope for the last 60 years
This, Camus helped me verbalize thoughts I’d been building on my own in simple terms. But he doesn’t have his own specialized jargon that you can sprinkle in to sound intelligent so he’s looked down on as too simplistic.
Camus was not a catholic. you spewed a whole of vitriol but not a single point was made. Camus in MOS explicitly refers to religious thought and the idea of reaching for transcendent as merely alluding to something, but he doesn't want that. He doesn't want to be chained to some sort of rationality or "end" in order to achieve happiness because that would make him reliant on that system of thought. feelings of absurdity are felt when someone in their attempt to rationalize the world is met with the cold silence of it. you were right in that he didn't actually think life was absurd, You can be prone to feelings of absurdity however due to needing a justifiaction. Camus then suggests living life for what it's worth and making the most of it, facing the nonsensical darkness, and walking that path. Your attempt to synthesize this with Christianity is something that was not at all brought up in MOS. idk why you're getting mad that I don't believe in things that were literally never brought up in the book.
> One must therefore turn away. Kierkegaard may shout in warning: “If man had no eternal consciousness, if, at the bottom of everything, there were merely a wild, seething force producing everything, both large and trifling, in the storm of dark passions, if the bottomless void that nothing can fill underlay all things, what would life be but despair?” This cry is not likely to stop the absurd man. Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable. If in order to elude the anxious question: “What would life be?” one must, like the donkey, feed on the roses of illusion, then the absurd mind, rather than resigning itself to falsehood, prefers to adopt fearlessly Kierkegaard’s reply: “despair.” Everything considered, a determined soul will always manage.
You are basically arguing that, this it is all part of uniting back with god, I myself am a person that is returning back to religion after being athiest for a while, if what you're saying is that this thought process is part of the path I am in full agreement as I've done the same. But you cannot sperg out on others if Camus wasn't religious and never made the connection himself. His works as they ended inspired modern society to turn incredibly disgusting and hedonistic (I am aware camus is not a hedonist, but his constant affairs with women and his habit of smoking definitely inspires the image)
To add to this, this is why he says "One must imagine Sisyphus happy" To Camus Sisyphus seemed entirely uninterested in appealing to some higher order shown by his treatment of the gods, his struggles, and his efforts he has no interest in alluding to something greater with his actions, which is why he is perfectly content endlessly rolling up the boulder, the misery only comes if he desires for something greater or more meaningful, his happiness is dependant on nothing, he faces the cold darkness and lives in it for it's own sake.
>All Sisyphus’ silent joy is contained therein. His fate belongs to him. His rock is his thing. Likewise, the absurd man, when he contemplates his torment, silences all the idols. In the universe suddenly restored to silence, the myriad wondering little voices of the earth rise up. Unconscious, secret calls, invitations from all the faces, they are the necessary reverse and price of victory. there is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night. The absurd man says yes and his effort will henceforth be unceasing. If there is a personal fate, there is no higher destiny, or at least there is but one which he concludes is inevitable and despicable. For the rest, he knows himself to be the master of his days. ........... I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds one’s burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
C'est d'la bombe mon con, tu peux y aller
Bliss and true wisdom
>life is... le absurd!!!
that's about as smart and deep as it gets
All I can say is that listening to redditors on the existentialism subreddit talk about absurdism and camus gave me multiple forms of ass cancer
fun
>You're Le in for Sissy-Phucking