>starts a thread >can't handle people not liking the books he recommends
You're too young to be here, kid, and posting edgy racisms doesn't hide your hurt feelings.
Ebin racism bro. You sure show all those DEI, libcucks by posting a word you'd never dare to say in public anonymously online. Such strength and courage, such free thinking. Praise Blump! Praise Kek! Two more weeks fellow Pede!
Then again, what are we to expect from butthurt racists who write shit like [...]. Stick to watching Tucker, he is more your speed.
Liberals literally can't help but battle and insult an imaginary version of non-liberals who watch Fox and are le racist
Touch grass or I'll call you a N I G G E R
This is why i said politics is cancer
It's not about modern politics. I cite Moby Dick, an American classic, as being explicitly anti-white
as soon as you mentioned 'anti-white' in comes all the direction-brained idiots. You played yourself, you buffoon.
Those are really just the settings/themes. Dickens is best enjoyed as a romantic and fantasist. His social criticism was important in its time, but today it really takes a back seat to near magical realist portrayal he has of London and its inhabitants.
I'd strongly recommended reading G K Chesterton critical works on Dickens.
>blind spots
such as? genuinely curious, this year i want to read Nabokov cause this board seriously wont shut up about him, tolstoy, Dostoevsky, pushkin,(just generally curious about russian culture, history etc) but curious to know other authors that dont get much love on this board.
Döblin and his Berlin Alexanderplatz is great but not really mentioned much.
Melville's novels that are not Moby-Dick. Pierre is fantastic and Confidence-Man is really good. I heard good things about Clarel too, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
is it more ESLs or mainly American Zoomers, or a mixture of both? If so, are there any other boards or website that are dedicated to a more 'balanced' survey of literature?
Try something like Saintsbury's Short History of English Literature.
>how come this board never talks about him, its usually pynchon, joyce, McCarthy or Wallace
This board is ~90% Americans below the age of 30. You can't expect to get a balanced survey of all literature here.
Are you kidding? There's mostly ESLs here—just like all the boards. That's why IQfy is so terrible now. That's also why there's constant anti-American seethe ((just like (You)rs)).
is it more ESLs or mainly American Zoomers, or a mixture of both? If so, are there any other boards or website that are dedicated to a more 'balanced' survey of literature?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
idk but zoomers are a lot more detrimental to this board than ESLs imo. At the ESLs do actually read the books(though usually poorly of course)
My guess is that, thematically, Great Expectations is a more compact rewrite of DC, and perhaps D's greatest book. Of the 'shorter' works the three I'd choose would be Expectations, Tale, and Twist-- which almost sounds like a Bleak House law firm.
A bit off-topic but how does one improve their lexicon and to articulate eloquently. I also believe my grammar is atrocious, the only books ive read in my life are Dune, dune messiah, and aristotle's works such as Categories and On interpretation. Wondering if i should focus more on literature like Dickens and shakespeare because as much as Dune was nice, im not really into genre fiction
i don't think antiquated and ancient english literature are the best places to start on your grammar journey.
i think fight club is a good starting point. blends genre and litfic, a lot of fun, great pacing... contemporary.
Get off smelly liberal websites like IQfy and whatever your gaming buddies are. On this website you are under the influence of bums and losers pretending to be patrician, and can become just like us at best.
Previous generations of 'intellectual' Brits and Americans had their minds full of Dickens; in America, from Emerson, Dickinson, and Melville on down to the generation of authors now dying out-- Pynchon, McCarthy, DeLillo, Roth. To really get a mental grasp on the four or five generations preceding this one, reading Dickens is not only essential, but fun. Only those content (or doomed) to remain mentally dead either don't (or can't) read Dickens. Hard fact, but true. If one wants to read seriously or write in English, Dickens must be read, and read in full.
I'm the anon from yesterday at the beginning asking about dickens and why lit doesn't talk about him as much. Just started reading Great Expectations and so far it isn't a tough read (I have read less than 10 books my whole life) but it's not difficult and is surprisingly nice.
Is there a general reading order when it comes to Dickenson?
Great Expectations is actually a late novel and considered somewhat difficult by many but I agree, it's pretty straight forward if you're willing to adapt your mind to another time and place, which many fwr find 'boring'
Pickwick Papers and Oliver Twist are the first two, and, I think the best to start with but by all means finish up Great Expectations first if you're enjoying it. David Copperfield (similar to Great Expectations as a young man's coming of age story) and A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens' only historical novel-- it concerns a series of Romantic 'exploits' in both London and Paris during the period of the French Revolution) would also make a good 2 and 3
Official Dickens power rankings: >Top tier comfy af
Pickwick Papers
David Copperfield
Bleak House
Little Dorrit
Tale of Two Cities
Great Expectations
Our Mutual Friend >Not quite getting it right
Barnaby Rudge
Dombey and Son
Nicholas Nickelby
Edwin Drood >Easy on the sentimentality Charles
Oliver Twist
Hard Times
The Old Curiosity Shop
Christmas stories >stop shamelessly chasing the American market Charles
Martin Chuzzlewit
Read Oliver Twist, chef. The book's not at all the musical. It's mean, spare, and if a character or two gives way to 'sentimentality,' the author himself does not. Also, some of the Christmas stories are proto-surreal, e.g. A Christmas Tree. But also ('Keep my memory green') The Haunted Man, perhaps my favorite of the Xmas bunch. Hard Times (you) get right, but Curiosity Shop's conclusion (despite the sentiment) feels 'reader-wise' like being pushed of a cliff, which balances matters. CS is by no means among his best, but I'm glad I read it.
Some of the set pieces in Oliver Twist are as good as writing gets. gayin in jail, Sikes murdering Nancy, Sikes on the run with the dog - Dostoevsky dreamed of writing like that, the descriptive intensity, the psychological and moral force. The chapter where Oliver first gets lost in London and meets the Dodger is another
Well put, anon. I actually read Oliver Twist late in the Dickens-reading game, and subsequently experienced not at all what I expected. Compared to Pickwick--which proves that a book of great sentiment can double as a great novel--it is a spare, marvelously economic work. Non-readers of Dickens here tend to characterize his writing as consistently verbose and sappy, when in fact he consistently experiments, is a high practitioner of the literary art.
>Those who have written about the death of Little Nell, have generally noticed the crudities of the character itself; the little girl's unnatural and staring innocence, her constrained and awkward piety. But they have nearly all of them entirely failed to notice that there is in the death of Little Neil one quite definite and really artistic idea. It is not an artistic idea that a little child should die rhetorically on the stage like Paul Dombey; and Little Nell does not die rhetorically upon the stage like Paul Dombey. But it is an artistic idea that all the good powers and personalities in the story should set out in pursuit of one insignificant child, to repair an injustice to her, should track her from town to town over England with all the resources of wealth, intelligence, and travel, and should all -- arrive too late. All the good fairies and all the kind magicians, all the just kings and all the gallant princes, with chariots and flying dragons and armies and navies go after one little child who had strayed into a wood, and find her dead.
The thing about CS is that right as the story opens The Curiosity Shop itself is closing down, so one spends very little time in the company of Little Nell and her family, and Dickens doesn't trace what winds up being their fruitless trek at all. Nonetheless, one can't help but get caught up in the search until, as I said, one experiences the readerly version of being shoved off of a cliff. It's particularly devastating when one realizes that the shop itself is England...etc.
On a side note, I remember hearing Mark Knopfler's song 'What It Is' on a drive home from work one evening, and the lyric 'the ghost of Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell' gave me Goosebumps for somehow 'working' on me despite the fact that the one character who doesn't bother looking for Nell in the entire novel is precisely...Dirty Dick. >in b4 whatever hoopla 'the name' excites
Dickens has more good books than Tolstoy. And, when you think about it, Dickens is much less sappy and sentimental.
Apples and oranges though. Like comparing Haydn to Beethoven. One is trying only to entertain you rather than aiming at moral philosophy
Is this anti white? I started reading with Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal Black person loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids
I'm sorry I rambled on too much, I'm just wondering if Dickens is anti-white, since many American authors I've encountered are
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
no he isn't, stop consuming american politics for atleast one week dude, jesus christ.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Please do not take The Lord's name in vain
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
as a devout platonist, i apologise to the One, just really tired of politics..its cancer.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not about modern politics. I cite Moby Dick, an American classic, as being explicitly anti-white
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay give us an example why you say he is anti-white?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Dickens >American author
Then again, what are we to expect from butthurt racists who write shit like
https://i.imgur.com/aUx9N1f.jpg
Is this anti white? I started reading with Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal Black person loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids
. Stick to watching Tucker, he is more your speed.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Liberals literally can't help but battle and insult an imaginary version of non-liberals who watch Fox and are le racist
Touch grass or I'll call you a N I G G E R
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Based. You really showed him fellow Pede. Wait until November when the Boog starts and we get to throw them all in camps. Based.
I know it's hard to resist shooting up a day care or Walmart before then, but hold out for the Boog and trust the plan fren. Then it will be we who are the Chad alphas, and all the GFs will be ours.
Based Trump will deliver us like Based Putin did for the trad Russians and Based Assad did. They are so heckin strong and based, I just want their strong arms around me making me feel safe and strong. So heckin based.
If only the world didn't hate white people like us so much. We just wanted to play vidya but now billions must die!
Tucker knows. He's a knower. Just like based MTG and based Gaetz. Everyone else worships moloch!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shutup you gay homosexual
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shutup you gay homosexual
both of you shut the frick up.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now you shutup b***h
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
heck yeah my dude. I'm sick of these chuds. How many times do I need to say it... the West is NOT being intentionally destroyed. Surely our new lovely and vibrant culture is going to usher in the next literary golden age!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh West is declining! it's the decline of le West! It's so fricking over and I didn't even have sex once!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
decline implies a slope. the West is destroyed. and it causes me unending anguish that my children and certainly future grandchildren will grow up in South Brazilakanda. Even Dickens novels considered middle brow (I love them) not 150 years ago will be unintelligible by the grand majority of our populace quite soon. The majority of zoomers don't know basic knowledge like our 1st president or their state's capital city
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
RIDE THE TIGER
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
a leftist zoomer retreats into his cave of irrelevant and unoriginal satire to the surprise of nobody.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if you aren't le paranoid right-wing schizo who sees race in everything you're le leftist!
lol okay gay
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
im not this
https://i.imgur.com/aUx9N1f.jpg
Is this anti white? I started reading with Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal Black person loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids
slightly obsessed gentleman... but are you implying race doesn't matter? it matters to every other race, it mattered to your ancestors, the only ones it doesn't matter at all to are boomer conservatives. even leftists care about race displayed through a very pious and loyal system of worship of black culture. you're not a boomer conservative, race matters to you. the race you hate is being displaced in every country of their origin and you are reveling in it. You speak not at all of the undeniable destruction of Western culture, perhaps Ted Lasso is considered high culture to you. Perhaps you just think all of this is funny? You are arrogant because your ideology is victorious. Which is why all dissident opinions need to be mocked and stamped out swiftly by loyal acolytes such as yourself,
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>slightly obsessed
He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol >but are you implying race doesn't matter?
I'm saying seeing it in everything makes you seem insane. You might be too far gone if that's the case.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol
I'm asking because if he isn't anti-white I'd gladly read his work.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why would he be "anti white"? Because he cared for the poor and the children? I don't get where you're coming from.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's literally just a question because I'm unfamiliar with his writing and views you dumb communist homosexual, it's not an accusation, it's a question
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, he's anti white. He includes an anti white essay in every novel on how whites suck and why they should be exterminated. He's also secretly israeli and thinks whites are subhuman based on talmudic beliefs.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok perfect, thanks for the warning, I'll skip him.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not about modern politics. I cite Moby Dick, an American classic, as being explicitly anti-white
https://i.imgur.com/aUx9N1f.jpg
Is this anti white? I started reading with Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal Black person loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids
It’s funny, I’m actually really very conservative on many issues, but reading this made me want to execute you because of how fricking stupid it was.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know. It's fricking over. There are literally brown people and women everywhere.
But don't lose faith, if we shoot up lots of super markets and schools, maybe the God Emperor will throw them behind the based Wall. Keep donating to Stop The Steal and it might all work out! Based!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I own a genuine WWII Stahlhelm. Its former owner was named Krüger. Whoever killed Krüger bashed him in the head real good because the top of the Stahlhelm is crumpled. I would like to thank Krüger for dying and the GI who brought this piece of history back so I could own it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Arcade bars are fun. Frick you.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
mmm i love ipas which of these 20 ipas should i have this time
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
IPAs are for homosexuals
real mean drink stouts, porters, irish reds,and modelos
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like a Pilsner; especially on a warm day after working outside. I also like reading Dickens; nice to see more than a few actual posts in this thread. Been awhile since the greatest novelist in English has been subject of a thread in excess of 100 posts. Bumping to make it so.
Its staggering to me how good his writing is.
Writers that approached his level of excellence like Arthur Machene, Mervyn Peake, or Chesterton usually wrote fairly short novels, and they only have 2 or 3 works that reach the height of Dickens.
Dickens wrote 15 novels and most of them were 800 pages plus in length, yet they all consistently have stunning sentences. I think its arguable that no writer in English has ever written as many beautiful sentences as Dickens.
Tahts really luxurious bro, just buy whatever the biggest Penguin classics one is and two suction cup dildos to stick on the front and back cover for use as ergonomic dick ends. 1
It’s cliche but Dickens gives his characters life and pep in their step. Even with a few sentences he can make memorable characters. If he had average character creating ability he would have been forgotten. It’s kinda funny because the main characters in the books I’ve read were often the weakest but the side characters and villains made a world of its own
Just spend about $40.00 on some sick suction cupped dildos to use as dick ends for holding the book open. When he gets into the long-parts swivel the book rhythmically to put yourself into a Dickensian trance. That's how you're meant to read him. In Victorian they would put him on the gas which would do something similar but I assume you don't have the gas
Man why does everyone here take everything so personally. I didn't even say anything bad. All.my problems are mine not Dickens. I just could not get into the first chapter of the book I skimmed in the middle of a loud thrift store
Dickens bores me. I would struggle to finish a single work by Dickens, let alone three.
Cool. Blogpost elsewhere, Black person
>starts a thread
>can't handle people not liking the books he recommends
You're too young to be here, kid, and posting edgy racisms doesn't hide your hurt feelings.
That's not OP
Not my thread, genius
Ebin racism bro. You sure show all those DEI, libcucks by posting a word you'd never dare to say in public anonymously online. Such strength and courage, such free thinking. Praise Blump! Praise Kek! Two more weeks fellow Pede!
dumb tourist
>unironic chudjack
>Blump
>Pede
I‘m glad you can’t delete your replies on this site because this is a perfect specimen of normie cringe
>I‘m glad you can’t delete your replies on this site
Anon...
This is why i said politics is cancer
as soon as you mentioned 'anti-white' in comes all the direction-brained idiots. You played yourself, you buffoon.
>if you read English
No, I only read books in languages I don't understand 😀
Does Dickens' works translate well to other languages? Are his books most some criticism to Victorian England problems (poverty, corruption etc.)?
Poverty and corruption are problems every generation faces, so I would guess his works are still relatable.
Those are really just the settings/themes. Dickens is best enjoyed as a romantic and fantasist. His social criticism was important in its time, but today it really takes a back seat to near magical realist portrayal he has of London and its inhabitants.
I'd strongly recommended reading G K Chesterton critical works on Dickens.
completely new to literature..is Dickens good? and if so, how come this board never talks about him, its usually pynchon, joyce, McCarthy or Wallace
Yes, he's good.
This board has a lot of blind spots.
>blind spots
such as? genuinely curious, this year i want to read Nabokov cause this board seriously wont shut up about him, tolstoy, Dostoevsky, pushkin,(just generally curious about russian culture, history etc) but curious to know other authors that dont get much love on this board.
Döblin and his Berlin Alexanderplatz is great but not really mentioned much.
Melville's novels that are not Moby-Dick. Pierre is fantastic and Confidence-Man is really good. I heard good things about Clarel too, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Try something like Saintsbury's Short History of English Literature.
>how come this board never talks about him, its usually pynchon, joyce, McCarthy or Wallace
This board is ~90% Americans below the age of 30. You can't expect to get a balanced survey of all literature here.
Are you kidding? There's mostly ESLs here—just like all the boards. That's why IQfy is so terrible now. That's also why there's constant anti-American seethe ((just like (You)rs)).
is it more ESLs or mainly American Zoomers, or a mixture of both? If so, are there any other boards or website that are dedicated to a more 'balanced' survey of literature?
idk but zoomers are a lot more detrimental to this board than ESLs imo. At the ESLs do actually read the books(though usually poorly of course)
How could you leave out David Copperfield?
My guess is that, thematically, Great Expectations is a more compact rewrite of DC, and perhaps D's greatest book. Of the 'shorter' works the three I'd choose would be Expectations, Tale, and Twist-- which almost sounds like a Bleak House law firm.
Both well selected and promoted, OP.
don't know if i'm ready for a triple dickens
A bit off-topic but how does one improve their lexicon and to articulate eloquently. I also believe my grammar is atrocious, the only books ive read in my life are Dune, dune messiah, and aristotle's works such as Categories and On interpretation. Wondering if i should focus more on literature like Dickens and shakespeare because as much as Dune was nice, im not really into genre fiction
i don't think antiquated and ancient english literature are the best places to start on your grammar journey.
i think fight club is a good starting point. blends genre and litfic, a lot of fun, great pacing... contemporary.
fair enough
Get off smelly liberal websites like IQfy and whatever your gaming buddies are. On this website you are under the influence of bums and losers pretending to be patrician, and can become just like us at best.
I just bought these 3 based off this post.
I hope you haven’t screwed me.
Previous generations of 'intellectual' Brits and Americans had their minds full of Dickens; in America, from Emerson, Dickinson, and Melville on down to the generation of authors now dying out-- Pynchon, McCarthy, DeLillo, Roth. To really get a mental grasp on the four or five generations preceding this one, reading Dickens is not only essential, but fun. Only those content (or doomed) to remain mentally dead either don't (or can't) read Dickens. Hard fact, but true. If one wants to read seriously or write in English, Dickens must be read, and read in full.
Not just anglophones. The Russians were under his spell just as much
I'm aware of Tolstoy's admiration if unfortunately at the expense of Shakespeare
I'm the anon from yesterday at the beginning asking about dickens and why lit doesn't talk about him as much. Just started reading Great Expectations and so far it isn't a tough read (I have read less than 10 books my whole life) but it's not difficult and is surprisingly nice.
Is there a general reading order when it comes to Dickenson?
Great Expectations is actually a late novel and considered somewhat difficult by many but I agree, it's pretty straight forward if you're willing to adapt your mind to another time and place, which many fwr find 'boring'
Pickwick Papers and Oliver Twist are the first two, and, I think the best to start with but by all means finish up Great Expectations first if you're enjoying it. David Copperfield (similar to Great Expectations as a young man's coming of age story) and A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens' only historical novel-- it concerns a series of Romantic 'exploits' in both London and Paris during the period of the French Revolution) would also make a good 2 and 3
Official Dickens power rankings:
>Top tier comfy af
Pickwick Papers
David Copperfield
Bleak House
Little Dorrit
Tale of Two Cities
Great Expectations
Our Mutual Friend
>Not quite getting it right
Barnaby Rudge
Dombey and Son
Nicholas Nickelby
Edwin Drood
>Easy on the sentimentality Charles
Oliver Twist
Hard Times
The Old Curiosity Shop
Christmas stories
>stop shamelessly chasing the American market Charles
Martin Chuzzlewit
Read Oliver Twist, chef. The book's not at all the musical. It's mean, spare, and if a character or two gives way to 'sentimentality,' the author himself does not. Also, some of the Christmas stories are proto-surreal, e.g. A Christmas Tree. But also ('Keep my memory green') The Haunted Man, perhaps my favorite of the Xmas bunch. Hard Times (you) get right, but Curiosity Shop's conclusion (despite the sentiment) feels 'reader-wise' like being pushed of a cliff, which balances matters. CS is by no means among his best, but I'm glad I read it.
Some of the set pieces in Oliver Twist are as good as writing gets. gayin in jail, Sikes murdering Nancy, Sikes on the run with the dog - Dostoevsky dreamed of writing like that, the descriptive intensity, the psychological and moral force. The chapter where Oliver first gets lost in London and meets the Dodger is another
Extremely true. I really loved that whole climactic sequence.
Well put, anon. I actually read Oliver Twist late in the Dickens-reading game, and subsequently experienced not at all what I expected. Compared to Pickwick--which proves that a book of great sentiment can double as a great novel--it is a spare, marvelously economic work. Non-readers of Dickens here tend to characterize his writing as consistently verbose and sappy, when in fact he consistently experiments, is a high practitioner of the literary art.
Chesterton on "The Old Curiosity Shop"
>Those who have written about the death of Little Nell, have generally noticed the crudities of the character itself; the little girl's unnatural and staring innocence, her constrained and awkward piety. But they have nearly all of them entirely failed to notice that there is in the death of Little Neil one quite definite and really artistic idea. It is not an artistic idea that a little child should die rhetorically on the stage like Paul Dombey; and Little Nell does not die rhetorically upon the stage like Paul Dombey. But it is an artistic idea that all the good powers and personalities in the story should set out in pursuit of one insignificant child, to repair an injustice to her, should track her from town to town over England with all the resources of wealth, intelligence, and travel, and should all -- arrive too late. All the good fairies and all the kind magicians, all the just kings and all the gallant princes, with chariots and flying dragons and armies and navies go after one little child who had strayed into a wood, and find her dead.
The thing about CS is that right as the story opens The Curiosity Shop itself is closing down, so one spends very little time in the company of Little Nell and her family, and Dickens doesn't trace what winds up being their fruitless trek at all. Nonetheless, one can't help but get caught up in the search until, as I said, one experiences the readerly version of being shoved off of a cliff. It's particularly devastating when one realizes that the shop itself is England...etc.
On a side note, I remember hearing Mark Knopfler's song 'What It Is' on a drive home from work one evening, and the lyric 'the ghost of Dirty Dick is still in search of Little Nell' gave me Goosebumps for somehow 'working' on me despite the fact that the one character who doesn't bother looking for Nell in the entire novel is precisely...Dirty Dick.
>in b4 whatever hoopla 'the name' excites
Dickens Vs Tolstoy. Give your takes. Tolstoy wins forever.
Dickens has more good books than Tolstoy. And, when you think about it, Dickens is much less sappy and sentimental.
Apples and oranges though. Like comparing Haydn to Beethoven. One is trying only to entertain you rather than aiming at moral philosophy
Is this anti white? I started reading with Tolstoy's W&P and fell in love with it, then I read a lot more euro lit from 18th and 19th century before coming to the abysmal and white-hating Moby Dick. As an American, I'm convinced that from our country's inception we've been a liberal Black person loving hellscape and so I've purposely strayed from all American lit. English lit too to be safe, France is my beloved homeland now which I visit nightly in the works of Balzac, Rousseau, Stendahl, etc. I fell so deeply in love with the story of Napoleon that I'm learning French, so that I may read some of his untranslated writings. Anyways, if you can name one single classical American author who's pro white, I'll gladly read him. May do my psyche good since I'm stuck living here by virtue of having many children with different women who I can't convince to come with nor would I particularly want to. I always envision me ending up as a Colonel Kurtz if I can't survive here but more predicated on having lots of phillipean wives in a village and tons of kids
..what?
I'm sorry I rambled on too much, I'm just wondering if Dickens is anti-white, since many American authors I've encountered are
no he isn't, stop consuming american politics for atleast one week dude, jesus christ.
Please do not take The Lord's name in vain
as a devout platonist, i apologise to the One, just really tired of politics..its cancer.
It's not about modern politics. I cite Moby Dick, an American classic, as being explicitly anti-white
Okay give us an example why you say he is anti-white?
>Dickens
>American author
Then again, what are we to expect from butthurt racists who write shit like
. Stick to watching Tucker, he is more your speed.
Liberals literally can't help but battle and insult an imaginary version of non-liberals who watch Fox and are le racist
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heck yeah my dude. I'm sick of these chuds. How many times do I need to say it... the West is NOT being intentionally destroyed. Surely our new lovely and vibrant culture is going to usher in the next literary golden age!
>muh West is declining! it's the decline of le West! It's so fricking over and I didn't even have sex once!
decline implies a slope. the West is destroyed. and it causes me unending anguish that my children and certainly future grandchildren will grow up in South Brazilakanda. Even Dickens novels considered middle brow (I love them) not 150 years ago will be unintelligible by the grand majority of our populace quite soon. The majority of zoomers don't know basic knowledge like our 1st president or their state's capital city
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a leftist zoomer retreats into his cave of irrelevant and unoriginal satire to the surprise of nobody.
>if you aren't le paranoid right-wing schizo who sees race in everything you're le leftist!
lol okay gay
im not this
slightly obsessed gentleman... but are you implying race doesn't matter? it matters to every other race, it mattered to your ancestors, the only ones it doesn't matter at all to are boomer conservatives. even leftists care about race displayed through a very pious and loyal system of worship of black culture. you're not a boomer conservative, race matters to you. the race you hate is being displaced in every country of their origin and you are reveling in it. You speak not at all of the undeniable destruction of Western culture, perhaps Ted Lasso is considered high culture to you. Perhaps you just think all of this is funny? You are arrogant because your ideology is victorious. Which is why all dissident opinions need to be mocked and stamped out swiftly by loyal acolytes such as yourself,
>slightly obsessed
He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol
>but are you implying race doesn't matter?
I'm saying seeing it in everything makes you seem insane. You might be too far gone if that's the case.
>He's asking if Dickens is "anti-white" to avoid reading his work lol
I'm asking because if he isn't anti-white I'd gladly read his work.
Why would he be "anti white"? Because he cared for the poor and the children? I don't get where you're coming from.
It's literally just a question because I'm unfamiliar with his writing and views you dumb communist homosexual, it's not an accusation, it's a question
Yes, he's anti white. He includes an anti white essay in every novel on how whites suck and why they should be exterminated. He's also secretly israeli and thinks whites are subhuman based on talmudic beliefs.
Ok perfect, thanks for the warning, I'll skip him.
It’s funny, I’m actually really very conservative on many issues, but reading this made me want to execute you because of how fricking stupid it was.
I know. It's fricking over. There are literally brown people and women everywhere.
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I like a Pilsner; especially on a warm day after working outside. I also like reading Dickens; nice to see more than a few actual posts in this thread. Been awhile since the greatest novelist in English has been subject of a thread in excess of 100 posts. Bumping to make it so.
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Why are you taking a photo like a woman?
the face is not in the frame, thus, not a womanly photo
Putting your feeble arm in the photo is peak womanly behavior, you low T dimwit.
It's not my photo, you smelly freak. And no, women love to put their faces in their photos, not their arms lol
Uhhhh huh, whatever you say, you effeminate homosexual
>Allow me to introduce maself
>Yes my name be Onini Black persononni
Kek
why are the covers so soulless?
Because women don't have souls
neither do the men.
>I AM NOT A WOMAN I SWEAR I AM MASCULINE
I yield. I give up. Please stop posting this garbage.
Alright, alright. You win. But I've seen men doing that as well, so I don't think it's exclusive to women.
Is there something whorish and dumb about the picture anon?
Its staggering to me how good his writing is.
Writers that approached his level of excellence like Arthur Machene, Mervyn Peake, or Chesterton usually wrote fairly short novels, and they only have 2 or 3 works that reach the height of Dickens.
Dickens wrote 15 novels and most of them were 800 pages plus in length, yet they all consistently have stunning sentences. I think its arguable that no writer in English has ever written as many beautiful sentences as Dickens.
I'll get 60 bucks for my birthday in a few weeks. What Dickens books should I buy with that money?
Tahts really luxurious bro, just buy whatever the biggest Penguin classics one is and two suction cup dildos to stick on the front and back cover for use as ergonomic dick ends. 1
Huh?
Thanks!
Happy birthday anon
It’s cliche but Dickens gives his characters life and pep in their step. Even with a few sentences he can make memorable characters. If he had average character creating ability he would have been forgotten. It’s kinda funny because the main characters in the books I’ve read were often the weakest but the side characters and villains made a world of its own
We're in hell
Yes, the black "people" (demons) are a clear giveaway
Whats the best selling novel
Whats the most popular novel of love time
Dickens is the greatest. I
I seriously can't get through his work. Why is it so plodding? Was he paid by the word?
I need an abridged version
Just spend about $40.00 on some sick suction cupped dildos to use as dick ends for holding the book open. When he gets into the long-parts swivel the book rhythmically to put yourself into a Dickensian trance. That's how you're meant to read him. In Victorian they would put him on the gas which would do something similar but I assume you don't have the gas
Man why does everyone here take everything so personally. I didn't even say anything bad. All.my problems are mine not Dickens. I just could not get into the first chapter of the book I skimmed in the middle of a loud thrift store