What an utterly moronic way of fighting. How do you even convince anyone to just walk in line waiting to get shot?
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What an utterly retarded way of fighting. How do you even convince anyone to just walk to their death?
This was how they managed set-piece battles. Sieges were much more common during this time. But when you had to fight in the field, this was how you managed these large numbers of troops when your only communication tools were flags, horns and yelling. The army that moved together, projected force together, and held together would win. Armies that ran around, hid behind stuff and broke off into smaller elements would lose the chain of command and get run down by cavalry.
This method worked fine against both similar armies and hordes of screaming natives.
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great post
>Sieges were much more common during this time
Good post but has there ever been a point in time where this wasn't true?
times before castles?
now I guess
Napoleonic wars largely set piece battles, battles between the last Italian war and vauban after the 30 years war
absolutely moronic way of fighting. atleast use a shield to form a wall or something
>bulletproof shield too heavy or too small to use practically
>thick cloth will stop bullets going completely through you
It works in Total War Warhammer. That's where all these brainlet takes come from.
I'd like to add a psychological factor that played in during the 30th year war (and probably in a lot of other encounters, but that's the example that comes to mind). Sweden's troops ended up walking straight into fire since they were hardcore Christians that seriously believed that God already had decided if you would live or die that day. So running away wouldn't change anyway, God would still end up killing you. If God didn't mean to kill you that day, you'd survive by the grace of God.
The point is that it not only made sense from a strategical point of view; people's psychology allowed something we may see as silly today.
> during the 30th year war
Later, Swedish Jihad was started by Charles XI
i mean that homie literally gave a swords to his soldiers and told them to run into enemies
That's pretty impressive, actually
There's no physical evidence the battle of Stalingrad happened. Likely same for others.
Some battles are reasonable and have evidence.
Look at
, all the reasons for it are already there
>How do you even convince anyone
First of all, you can come back later and pick all the corpses' pockets.
Second of all, you can kill, rape, and destroy and get paid for it, plus probably promoted. Every battle creates a whole bunch of promotions.
You'd be surprised how little "convincing" it takes to young boys who want to get the frick off their Pa's farm if it kills them. Back then kids weren't all a bunch of pussy homosexuals, they were rarin' to go, they were fricking lying about their age, trying to join at 10, 12, 14 years old.
Frick, do you know how many people in History joined the army because they were HUNGRY?
why didnt enemy soldiers just walk around the lines? Or attack a night with melee weapons so no one can see shit?
because then the enemy army can also move against them and catch them in a bad situation, and night assaults are a b***h to pull off meaning you have a bunch of barely organized guys with weapons that don't allow them to shoot back if they are caught
one word - Cavalry
So use fricking elephants genius
How do you imagine crawling in dirt and then firing with a dirt covered musket which had pretty big chance of misfiring even in ideal conditions?
How do you imagine stoping massive sword-armed infantry charge with a gun which had terrible rate of fire unless shooters were massed to unleash devastating volleys?
How do you imagine fighting massive cavalry charges with isolated infantry units?
BRO, just issue every dude multiple rifles and pistols, plus issue every squad like a tiny cannon with a wide mouth that is double-shotted with canisters of tiny glass marbles.
"Oh yeah, you gonna come stab us with your sabers? Make sure you kiss your wife and mother goodbye, butthole. Win, lose, or draw."
I have a better solution.
Just give them hmgs.
What about glass cannonballs, musketballs, etc?
Maximum death, utter lethality, literally impossible for surgeons to find and remove all the shards.
Imagine using a literal old-fashioned trebuchet to hurl like six barrels of gunpowder with packed glass shards and nails and rocks and lengths of wire with nuts and bolts tied on both ends, and you stick a fuse in that thing and light it and ideally you cut the fuse just short enough to have it explode in mid-air above the enemy ranks.
Just turn like 400 dudes into motherfricking paste.
They have grapeshot for this kind of thing. And trebuchets and catapults aren't really practical in the field. They take ages to set up, and then are very difficult to aim. Useful against a castle, not great against marching soldiers.
I'm saying glass is way better because it shatters into a literal cloud of crystal shards that literally are impossible for surgeons to remove, just breathing in the glass dust would fricking end your life.
Imagine a volley of broken glass particles, and oh by the way, they'll be fricking BURNING hot, dudes will be squealing in agony like a fricking pig caught under a gate, dude. Maximum morale shock.
I would make it a fricking death sentence to take the field against my army, win, lose, or draw. Even if you beat us, it won't matter. In 48 hours, you'll ALL be dead. Every mother's son.
>trebuchets too long to set up
Okay, just make mini-pop up trebuchets and instead of six full-size barrels, just like, a single pony keg of powder with the death shrapnel packed around it.
Imagine launching a hundred of those at fricking once... I would call them my "Bouquets of Blood."
Glass was harder/more expensive to manufacture then than cheap shot.
Do you really think some autist zoomer from the 2000's is going to come up with something the people of the time had the direct political imperitive to develop in thier own age?
Back to tiktok my fluffy haired friend.
It doesn't have to be the finest glass known to man, it's supposed to break anyway.
You just have to cook sand in a pot to make the kind of glass I'm talking about, dude. It's the exact fricking opposite of expensive, it costs FIRE + SAND.
do you know how guns work? I already know the answer to this in case you were wondering.
Well I would have thought that you have a metal tube and a charge and a load and charge explodes and shoots the load out the barrel.
But I don't know, what am I missing?
If you're pointing out that the glass will shatter inside the barrel, that's fine because the glass shards will still be blown out the barrel in the right direction.
I guess the gun might blow up but my understanding is that happens with regular bullets too, so what the frick?
Why don't you just say your frickin' piece instead of playing 20 questions, Socrates?
It cannot shatter in the barrel as the not so very dense glass will not travel very far..
A denser glass "ball" would be a shitter to manufacture, expensive and plainly fricking dumb. Also if it can survive the pressure of the barrel its just going to act like a super expensive normal shot.
The fact this was never carried out is the only answer I really need to give you. Obviously.
Please post your fringe and the gay shoes you are probably wearing with little girl ankle socks.
god I hate you.
I'm barefoot, and dude, I look like fricking normal-sized Hagrid.
This is what TotalWar games has done to a generation of people who can't read.
Yeah, it's turned regular guys into some of the most fricking brilliant battlefield commanders and grand strategists in fricking History.
Based.
post a picture of your fuffy fringe please
I'm 35.
I grew up on the ORIGINAL Shogun and Medieval Total War, played at least a million hours on those before Rome I even came out, clocked a billion hours on that, and between Shogun 2, Medieval 2, and Napoleon, I daresay I could give your Sun Tzu and your Clausewitz a few pointers.
good god man
He’s lying. A billion hours is over eleven thousand years
wtf??!?
@Anonymous is this true?
Oh yeah what you want is a mangonel, those things could probably be a little more useful than the others.
And I don’t know that much about glass so I’ll have to agree that it would work. Probably too expensive to make back then unfortunately.
oh no 🙁
cringe autist 🙁
Cringed harder at this post than the other guys tbh
You just described a guy named Henry Shrapnel.
Holy shit the term shrapnel is named after a guy? I thought this was a joke when I first read it.
He was an artillery guy to whom invention of first frag bombs attributed to. He also advanced tech later. Artillery pf that era prety much goes
>solid shot
>cannister shot
>solid shells with explosive filler (which stricken the ground then exploded)
>carcass shells with burning filler (which exploded b4 hitting the ground igniting everything)
>shrapnel shells with small balls filler (which exploded b4 hitting the ground spraying everyone with shrapnel from above)
>glass bullets
>lethal range: like 3 meters
ok
Hardly anyone actually got shot don't worry, you just move around and make a lot of smoke and noise and eventually someone leaves.
The guns were wildly inaccurate. You're basically looking at a bunch of spearmen.
>How do you even convince anyone to just walk in line waiting to get shot?
Collective action problem.
There's a guy to the left of you, a guy to the right of you, and several ranks of guys behind you. And the same applies for each of those other people in the formation. Unless morale is so bad that everyone at once decides to break ranks and flee, it's basically impossible to get out of the formation, even if the majority of the soldiers composing it would prefer no to march into battle like that.
>How do you even convince anyone
Beating.
They should be more afraid of the stick than the bullet.
>OP makes the exact same schizo thread every week
>dumbasses still reply to it