man, mine too. it'd be interesting to see the same sexual encounter described in two diaries >best night of my life. arranged an encounter up with an effete young twink from a dating app and took my pleasure with him in the back of my 1998 rav4. the experience was overwhelming and when it was done we soaked in the afterglow for a long time, maybe two hours, and talked the happy nonsense people talk in those times. he is wise beyond his years and has a deep soul. i felt that there was much i'd like to hear out of his sweet mouth on any subject at all. he reminds me, in appearence of the young "harry bolton" melville describes in "redburn". i am still grinning even as i write this and still feel his wramth on my body. i cannot wait to see him again.
vs >dear diary. hooked up with some guy on grindr. he must have been like thirty. first he couldn't get hard and then he came to fast. blocked his number and deleted my account. this time i'm SURE i won't make another.
Chuck Pahlaniuk is a legend for fight club which became a great movie. His prose is legitimately worse than Japanese light novels or Twilight though. But maybe that can be excused because his background was in journaliam originally.
Look up palahniuk daily stormer. He reads that shit on the regular and said as much on Joe Rogan. If I didn't think the Stormer was all feded up, I would call that hella based.
I don't know remember. It barely read the book but the latent homoeroticism jumped out. Maybe it was poorly reconciled homosexual feelings sublimated into jealousy? Again, I don't even remember someone killing someone else so, like, you tell me (??) haha
He jounced the limb so that Phineas fell to his death. The why is hte big questino of the novel.
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I don't know remember. It barely read the book but the latent homoeroticism jumped out. Maybe it was poorly reconciled homosexual feelings sublimated into jealousy? Again, I don't even remember someone killing someone else so, like, you tell me (??) haha
The ending is a very heavy handed explanation of it. Fatal insecurity and jealousy that Phineas was everything he wasn't and someone he grew to see as competition for his own identity. Gene was insecure and Phineas wasn't. Perhaps too good for this world is one implication.
As blatantly homoromantic as it is, it resists a queer reading because, and I'm praphrasing Knowles hisself here, if it were conscious for either of the characters, it would have been an entirely different story, especially given the time and place. There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay. I think the more overtly gay teen romantic friendship novels make that distinction more clear. There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way gay" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.
What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way; but I use it and the Outsiders as examples of when queer reading becomes reductive and fails to make a convincing case from the text itself.
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I didn't finish my thought there. It parallels and calls to mind some gay subtext but that interpretation is entirely on the part of the reader, heterosexual or otherwise. You see the opposite in more overtly queer works, where the reader diminishes what is inherent because it is foreign or forbidden and replaces it with some more known and comprehensible Otherness.
Other similar works deal with a kind of deconstructive deletion and Trace left by the question being avoided, which I don't find present by its omission.
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>There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay
*softly yet firmly disagrees* Well, it certainly isn't straight. And that's okay. I think the moment things like homoromanticism or homoeroticism enter the picture, the rational person should acknowledge that pretensions to pure hetero-ness should be left behind. This is not only rational but adaptive rather than maladaptive.
I'm not trying to label anyone or anything explicitly. I think it's often rude to put handles on things. But have at least a notion to refer to that is actually in line with reality instead of an approximation that doesn't fully describe or satisfy is good.
>There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way gay" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.
As a guy who has spent most of his life thinking exclusively about guys (straight guys, "straight" guys, bi-curious guys, bi guys who are insecure or hiding, bi guys who aren't but aren't out, openly bisexual guys, and the gradations of gay guys) the queerness jumped out.
>What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way
It seemed high level and explicit to me because there were at least two dots to connect (and I might be misremembering this): one was when he was admiring phineas in the tree (and I think he compared him to some sort of greek god) and another time when he was admiring phineas as he rowed a boat (?). He was pretty egregious in his description of his physicality which means, according to literary conventions, he was *focusing* on his physicality at a granular level.
There is, for men (and women) who are not self-resolved, a dichotomy to relationships with others: that of love and hate, admiration and resentment. That Gene displayed that and ultimately acted on the latter doesnt
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay
*softly yet firmly disagrees* Well, it certainly isn't straight. And that's okay. I think the moment things like homoromanticism or homoeroticism enter the picture, the rational person should acknowledge that pretensions to pure hetero-ness should be left behind. This is not only rational but adaptive rather than maladaptive.
I'm not trying to label anyone or anything explicitly. I think it's often rude to put handles on things. But have at least a notion to refer to that is actually in line with reality instead of an approximation that doesn't fully describe or satisfy is good.
>There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way gay" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.
As a guy who has spent most of his life thinking exclusively about guys (straight guys, "straight" guys, bi-curious guys, bi guys who are insecure or hiding, bi guys who aren't but aren't out, openly bisexual guys, and the gradations of gay guys) the queerness jumped out.
>What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way
It seemed high level and explicit to me because there were at least two dots to connect (and I might be misremembering this): one was when he was admiring phineas in the tree (and I think he compared him to some sort of greek god) and another time when he was admiring phineas as he rowed a boat (?). He was pretty egregious in his description of his physicality which means, according to literary conventions, he was *focusing* on his physicality at a granular level.
There is, for men (and women) who are not self-resolved, a dichotomy to relationships with others: that of love and hate, admiration and resentment. That Gene displayed that and ultimately acted on the latter doesnt
doesn't mean that the homoerotic tensions are invented (by the reader) or merely placid, inconsequential vagaries of attention (on the part of gene and/or phineas).
Just because a desire isn't conscious doesn't mean its not in play as well.
I didn't finish my thought there. It parallels and calls to mind some gay subtext but that interpretation is entirely on the part of the reader, heterosexual or otherwise. You see the opposite in more overtly queer works, where the reader diminishes what is inherent because it is foreign or forbidden and replaces it with some more known and comprehensible Otherness.
Other similar works deal with a kind of deconstructive deletion and Trace left by the question being avoided, which I don't find present by its omission.
I think that my queer reading of the subtext comes from knowledge of what is actually real with regard to actual people instead of ignorance of what is actually real with regard to actual people.
It's borne of, like, media and social literacy rather than its opposite.
In any case, your viewpoints are well explicated and circumspective. It was no burden to consider your viewpoints and respond to them. If I may be so bold as to conclude my reading of this exchange, I suspect I'm more right than you are about the homoeroticism.
I don't think it resists a queer reading, I think it just isn't explicit enough for one who has never been a gay person; someone who has never had to either get really good at reading people or actually be a foreveralone. If someone has never lived like that, it's unlikely the would have the conscious heuristics necessary to rightly conclude someone's sexuality/romantic leanings (except for straight or not-straight(?)).
I think that queer people are more likely to conclude in what way something is queer than non-queer people because being queer lends itself to conscious, named investigation beyond where non-queer people usually stop.
I think I started rambling but I hope something useful or enlightening was said.
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Anonymous
American culture was always highly repressed and puritan so outright homosexuality was not common in American boarding schools the way it was in British "public" schools. Otherwise Gore Vidal (who went to the "Devon" of the novel) would have mentioned it. Instead they used subtext like "the butt room..."
>HAHAHAHA!!!! LOL!!!! GAY SEX!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! homosexualS STICKING wienerS IN EACHOTHER'S SHITTY DIRTY FRAGILE buttholeS UNTIL THEIR buttholeS PROLAPSE AND LEAK SHIT!!!! LOL!!! SO HECKIN WHOLESOME!!! I LOVE FEMBOYS AYYAYAYAY FEMBOY PORNNNN IM GOOOONIIING TO SMOOTH FEMBOYS THAT COINCIDENTALLY LOOK LIKE 14YO BOYS!!!!! LOOK AT THIS SICK FJCKING YAOI!!!! HGNGHGHNGH AHAHAHHAHA LOLOLOLO!!!!! ANIME BOYS FRICKING EACHOTHER IS THE EXACT SAME AS POZZED homosexualS CUMMING IN EACH OTHERS buttholeS AND CAUSING CRAMPS AND SPREADING STDS AND CAUSING TEARS IN THE ASS!!!!! XDDDDD LOL OLOL!!!!!!! I HECKIN LOVE FRICKING TWINKS AND GETTING FRICKED IN MY ASS AND GETTING SHIT ON MY DICK AND HAVING TO WEAR A CUTE HECKIN CONDOM BECAUSE FRICKING A MAN'S butthole IS LIKE GAMBLING WITH MY HEALTH!!!! BUT… BUTTT"!!! O_O BUTT!!!!!! LISTEN BRO IT FEEEELSS SOOOOOOO GOOOOODDDDDD IT'S SO BASED AND KINO AND HOT WHILE YOUR BOTTOM MOANS WHILE YOU STUFF HIS butthole WITH YOUR wiener THAT DILATES HIS SPINCHTER OVER TIME!!!! WOAHHHH!!!!!! SHAVED ASSES!!!! FEMBOYS!!!!! TWINKS!!!!!! BEARS!!!!!! BRROOOOOO IM SUCH A FRICKING TOP!!!! IM A FRICKING BOTTTTOOMMMM!!!!!! IM A FRICKING VERS HOLY SHITT BROOOOO I LOVE GAY homosexual POZZED SINFUL LIFE-THREATENING SEX BECAUSE I AM A FRICKING HORNY APE!!!!!!! WHAT?!?! GAYS HAVE A HUNDRED SEX PARTNERS AND A HUGE PART OF YOUNG GAY CULTURE IS HOOKING UP WITH MARRIED 50YO "DADDIES" ON GRINDR?!?! BUT BUT BUT ALL MY HECKIN TRANIME TUMBLR GAY TEENAGE LOVE COMICS!!!!!!! WHAT THE LE FLIP IS THIS?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!! DA STRAGGOOOOTSSS DID THISSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FRICK FRICK IM GONNA FRICKING BUST BECAUSE MY PORN ADDICTION IS TAKING OVER AGAIN…. UNGHHHH!!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!!! MAN ASS!!!!!!!!!! RECTUMS!!!!!!!! wiener!!!!!!!! BOYCUM!!!!! BOYDICK!!!!!!!! BOYPUSSY!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM NOT A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FRICKKKK IM BUSSIN OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Brideshead Revisited. Sebastian is clearly a gay in love with Charles. It's nice because he winds up finding some peace at the end while reaffirming that gay love is forbidden by the Church.
There once was a little homosexual
He spinned around until he became dizzy
In this moment he realized that he was a gay swindle
He ended up as a heroin junkie and prostitute
Fellini's Satyricon, based on one of only two roman novels. It's the main character Encolpius hugging his 16 year old boy slave/lover Giton. Very funny book, here's a summary of the first surviving section (only a fraction survives) >In the first passage preserved, Encolpius is in a Greek town in Campania, perhaps Puteoli, where he is standing outside a school, railing against the Asiatic style and false taste in literature, which he blames on the prevailing system of declamatory education (1–2). His adversary in this debate is Agamemnon, a sophist, who shifts the blame from the teachers to the parents (3–5). Encolpius discovers that his companion Ascyltos has left and breaks away from Agamemnon when a group of students arrive (6). >Encolpius then gets lost and asks an old woman for help returning home. She takes him to a brothel which she refers to as his home. There, Encolpius locates Ascyltos (7–8) and then Giton (8), who claims that Ascyltos made a sexual attempt on him (9). After raising their voices against each other, the fight ends in laughter and the friends reconcile but still agree to split at a later date (9–10). Later, Encolpius tries to have sex with Giton, but is interrupted by Ascyltos, who assaults him after catching the two in bed (11). The three go to the market, where they are involved in a convoluted dispute over stolen property (12–15). Returning to their lodgings, they are confronted by Quartilla, a devotee of Priapus, who condemns their attempts to pry into the cult's secrets (16–18). >The companions are overpowered by Quartilla, her maids, and an aged male prostitute, who sexually torture them (19–21), then provide them with dinner and engage them in further sexual activity (21–26). An orgy ensues and the sequence ends with Encolpius and Quartilla exchanging kisses while they spy through a keyhole at Giton deflowering a seven-year-old virgin girl (26).
my diary tbh
man, mine too. it'd be interesting to see the same sexual encounter described in two diaries
>best night of my life. arranged an encounter up with an effete young twink from a dating app and took my pleasure with him in the back of my 1998 rav4. the experience was overwhelming and when it was done we soaked in the afterglow for a long time, maybe two hours, and talked the happy nonsense people talk in those times. he is wise beyond his years and has a deep soul. i felt that there was much i'd like to hear out of his sweet mouth on any subject at all. he reminds me, in appearence of the young "harry bolton" melville describes in "redburn". i am still grinning even as i write this and still feel his wramth on my body. i cannot wait to see him again.
vs
>dear diary. hooked up with some guy on grindr. he must have been like thirty. first he couldn't get hard and then he came to fast. blocked his number and deleted my account. this time i'm SURE i won't make another.
anglobros... how will we recover from picrel?
A German actor (Max Born) in an Italian film adaptation of a Roman novel? I don’t know
Novels and prose are gay in general, take your pick.
Chuck Pahlaniuk is a legend for fight club which became a great movie. His prose is legitimately worse than Japanese light novels or Twilight though. But maybe that can be excused because his background was in journaliam originally.
Look up palahniuk daily stormer. He reads that shit on the regular and said as much on Joe Rogan. If I didn't think the Stormer was all feded up, I would call that hella based.
>If I didn't think the Stormer was all feded up
The one outlet actually hard supressed in the US?
Doesn't exist.
giwtwm
(on the right)
Moby Dick
The Great Gatsby
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
These. Also Nietzche and Mishima.
>Nietzsche
How so?
A separate peace tbh. It's not explicit but that boy loved that boy
If he loved him so much why did he kill him?
I don't know remember. It barely read the book but the latent homoeroticism jumped out. Maybe it was poorly reconciled homosexual feelings sublimated into jealousy? Again, I don't even remember someone killing someone else so, like, you tell me (??) haha
He jounced the limb so that Phineas fell to his death. The why is hte big questino of the novel.
The ending is a very heavy handed explanation of it. Fatal insecurity and jealousy that Phineas was everything he wasn't and someone he grew to see as competition for his own identity. Gene was insecure and Phineas wasn't. Perhaps too good for this world is one implication.
As blatantly homoromantic as it is, it resists a queer reading because, and I'm praphrasing Knowles hisself here, if it were conscious for either of the characters, it would have been an entirely different story, especially given the time and place. There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay. I think the more overtly gay teen romantic friendship novels make that distinction more clear. There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way gay" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.
What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way; but I use it and the Outsiders as examples of when queer reading becomes reductive and fails to make a convincing case from the text itself.
I didn't finish my thought there. It parallels and calls to mind some gay subtext but that interpretation is entirely on the part of the reader, heterosexual or otherwise. You see the opposite in more overtly queer works, where the reader diminishes what is inherent because it is foreign or forbidden and replaces it with some more known and comprehensible Otherness.
Other similar works deal with a kind of deconstructive deletion and Trace left by the question being avoided, which I don't find present by its omission.
>There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay
*softly yet firmly disagrees* Well, it certainly isn't straight. And that's okay. I think the moment things like homoromanticism or homoeroticism enter the picture, the rational person should acknowledge that pretensions to pure hetero-ness should be left behind. This is not only rational but adaptive rather than maladaptive.
I'm not trying to label anyone or anything explicitly. I think it's often rude to put handles on things. But have at least a notion to refer to that is actually in line with reality instead of an approximation that doesn't fully describe or satisfy is good.
>There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way gay" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.
As a guy who has spent most of his life thinking exclusively about guys (straight guys, "straight" guys, bi-curious guys, bi guys who are insecure or hiding, bi guys who aren't but aren't out, openly bisexual guys, and the gradations of gay guys) the queerness jumped out.
>What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way
It seemed high level and explicit to me because there were at least two dots to connect (and I might be misremembering this): one was when he was admiring phineas in the tree (and I think he compared him to some sort of greek god) and another time when he was admiring phineas as he rowed a boat (?). He was pretty egregious in his description of his physicality which means, according to literary conventions, he was *focusing* on his physicality at a granular level.
There is, for men (and women) who are not self-resolved, a dichotomy to relationships with others: that of love and hate, admiration and resentment. That Gene displayed that and ultimately acted on the latter doesnt
doesn't mean that the homoerotic tensions are invented (by the reader) or merely placid, inconsequential vagaries of attention (on the part of gene and/or phineas).
Just because a desire isn't conscious doesn't mean its not in play as well.
I think that my queer reading of the subtext comes from knowledge of what is actually real with regard to actual people instead of ignorance of what is actually real with regard to actual people.
It's borne of, like, media and social literacy rather than its opposite.
In any case, your viewpoints are well explicated and circumspective. It was no burden to consider your viewpoints and respond to them. If I may be so bold as to conclude my reading of this exchange, I suspect I'm more right than you are about the homoeroticism.
I don't think it resists a queer reading, I think it just isn't explicit enough for one who has never been a gay person; someone who has never had to either get really good at reading people or actually be a foreveralone. If someone has never lived like that, it's unlikely the would have the conscious heuristics necessary to rightly conclude someone's sexuality/romantic leanings (except for straight or not-straight(?)).
I think that queer people are more likely to conclude in what way something is queer than non-queer people because being queer lends itself to conscious, named investigation beyond where non-queer people usually stop.
I think I started rambling but I hope something useful or enlightening was said.
American culture was always highly repressed and puritan so outright homosexuality was not common in American boarding schools the way it was in British "public" schools. Otherwise Gore Vidal (who went to the "Devon" of the novel) would have mentioned it. Instead they used subtext like "the butt room..."
>page 11
>no mention of mann
mann.
>HAHAHAHA!!!! LOL!!!! GAY SEX!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! homosexualS STICKING wienerS IN EACHOTHER'S SHITTY DIRTY FRAGILE buttholeS UNTIL THEIR buttholeS PROLAPSE AND LEAK SHIT!!!! LOL!!! SO HECKIN WHOLESOME!!! I LOVE FEMBOYS AYYAYAYAY FEMBOY PORNNNN IM GOOOONIIING TO SMOOTH FEMBOYS THAT COINCIDENTALLY LOOK LIKE 14YO BOYS!!!!! LOOK AT THIS SICK FJCKING YAOI!!!! HGNGHGHNGH AHAHAHHAHA LOLOLOLO!!!!! ANIME BOYS FRICKING EACHOTHER IS THE EXACT SAME AS POZZED homosexualS CUMMING IN EACH OTHERS buttholeS AND CAUSING CRAMPS AND SPREADING STDS AND CAUSING TEARS IN THE ASS!!!!! XDDDDD LOL OLOL!!!!!!! I HECKIN LOVE FRICKING TWINKS AND GETTING FRICKED IN MY ASS AND GETTING SHIT ON MY DICK AND HAVING TO WEAR A CUTE HECKIN CONDOM BECAUSE FRICKING A MAN'S butthole IS LIKE GAMBLING WITH MY HEALTH!!!! BUT… BUTTT"!!! O_O BUTT!!!!!! LISTEN BRO IT FEEEELSS SOOOOOOO GOOOOODDDDDD IT'S SO BASED AND KINO AND HOT WHILE YOUR BOTTOM MOANS WHILE YOU STUFF HIS butthole WITH YOUR wiener THAT DILATES HIS SPINCHTER OVER TIME!!!! WOAHHHH!!!!!! SHAVED ASSES!!!! FEMBOYS!!!!! TWINKS!!!!!! BEARS!!!!!! BRROOOOOO IM SUCH A FRICKING TOP!!!! IM A FRICKING BOTTTTOOMMMM!!!!!! IM A FRICKING VERS HOLY SHITT BROOOOO I LOVE GAY homosexual POZZED SINFUL LIFE-THREATENING SEX BECAUSE I AM A FRICKING HORNY APE!!!!!!! WHAT?!?! GAYS HAVE A HUNDRED SEX PARTNERS AND A HUGE PART OF YOUNG GAY CULTURE IS HOOKING UP WITH MARRIED 50YO "DADDIES" ON GRINDR?!?! BUT BUT BUT ALL MY HECKIN TRANIME TUMBLR GAY TEENAGE LOVE COMICS!!!!!!! WHAT THE LE FLIP IS THIS?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!! DA STRAGGOOOOTSSS DID THISSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FRICK FRICK IM GONNA FRICKING BUST BECAUSE MY PORN ADDICTION IS TAKING OVER AGAIN…. UNGHHHH!!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!!! MAN ASS!!!!!!!!!! RECTUMS!!!!!!!! wiener!!!!!!!! BOYCUM!!!!! BOYDICK!!!!!!!! BOYPUSSY!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM NOT A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FRICKKKK IM BUSSIN OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I say these exact words out loud every day
Shut up, Beavis.
Brideshead Revisited. Sebastian is clearly a gay in love with Charles. It's nice because he winds up finding some peace at the end while reaffirming that gay love is forbidden by the Church.
>It's nice because he winds up finding some peace at the end
low reading comprehension detected
The Book of Skulls
you could read some gay webcomics
you mean literally every single webcomic?
test
There once was a little homosexual
He spinned around until he became dizzy
In this moment he realized that he was a gay swindle
He ended up as a heroin junkie and prostitute
One of Fellini's best films.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Me,_Eddie
Nightwood, Djuna Barnes. It's got gays and lesbians.
any book on masculinity written by a man
what's OP pic from?
Fellini's Satyricon, based on one of only two roman novels. It's the main character Encolpius hugging his 16 year old boy slave/lover Giton. Very funny book, here's a summary of the first surviving section (only a fraction survives)
>In the first passage preserved, Encolpius is in a Greek town in Campania, perhaps Puteoli, where he is standing outside a school, railing against the Asiatic style and false taste in literature, which he blames on the prevailing system of declamatory education (1–2). His adversary in this debate is Agamemnon, a sophist, who shifts the blame from the teachers to the parents (3–5). Encolpius discovers that his companion Ascyltos has left and breaks away from Agamemnon when a group of students arrive (6).
>Encolpius then gets lost and asks an old woman for help returning home. She takes him to a brothel which she refers to as his home. There, Encolpius locates Ascyltos (7–8) and then Giton (8), who claims that Ascyltos made a sexual attempt on him (9). After raising their voices against each other, the fight ends in laughter and the friends reconcile but still agree to split at a later date (9–10). Later, Encolpius tries to have sex with Giton, but is interrupted by Ascyltos, who assaults him after catching the two in bed (11). The three go to the market, where they are involved in a convoluted dispute over stolen property (12–15). Returning to their lodgings, they are confronted by Quartilla, a devotee of Priapus, who condemns their attempts to pry into the cult's secrets (16–18).
>The companions are overpowered by Quartilla, her maids, and an aged male prostitute, who sexually torture them (19–21), then provide them with dinner and engage them in further sexual activity (21–26). An orgy ensues and the sequence ends with Encolpius and Quartilla exchanging kisses while they spy through a keyhole at Giton deflowering a seven-year-old virgin girl (26).
thank you anon for responding to me
>boy slave/
It looks like a middle-aged woman to me. must be some kind of troony
Does this look like a middle aged woman?
Definitely female. It looks like Carol Burnett and she's like a hundred years old
He's more attractive than most women.
Yes
Blind schizo
Him now
it's obviously in search of the lost time
>ITT people confusing homosexuality for pedophilia
There is nothing wrong with paederasty.
They’re the same thing
Here's one of the more recent charts.
>gay canon
>lesbian books
what did they mean by this
Dreams From My Father
Christopher Isherwood - A Single Man