What are some historical examples of some behavior being suppressed for a long time, and when the suppression ends, it explodes in volume to or even above it's levels prior to suppression?
What comes to mind is immigration and religious worship in Warsaw Pact countries.
why did they stop supressing left handed people?
The Nazis ruined eugenics in USA, and mandatory right hand writing was part of that movement.
Elsewhere, like Vietnam, it's still mandatory. Stupid and cruel.
its not cruel per se they are just trying to better them since most tools are used for righties but it is stupid to enforce it
But we were so close....
>USA does a thing
>Germany copies it
>autistically takes it too far
>thing ruined for everyone
we were still sterilizing people in the 1970s.
a couple dozen in the 70s. It wasn't a problem like it was in the progressive era up to the 50s. Even before the courts outlawed it it was fading in incidence.
Lobotomy is still perfectly legal and considered a legitimate medical practice in USA, just fell out of fashion.
Why did we have to stop.
Good questions. You, for instance, wouldn't be here.
amazing, IQfy gives you insight on that guy?
all it says it for me is Anonymous and a timestamp
Last forced sterilization in 1981. The treatment of mentally ill people moved away from the prison model, towards the hospital model. At least partially because the USSR kept using it as a way to whatabout its own oppression of political dissidents. But also in general, people thought it's cruel.
Someone redpill me on Swedish eugenics. Heard they were sterilizing people left and right but avoided any public outcry.
left handedness is proof satanic influence.
the rise in left-handedness and our acceleration into a hell-world is not unrelated.
Left handedness is correlated with increased mutational load.
It's funny how all examples of "third genders" are just eunuchs basically
that's not true
unless you have proof, which you are welcome to post
those stats about left handness are interesting, anyone got more detail on them?
Literally Wikipedia.
always thought there was something fricky about lefties
Rated of alcohol use were higher in the US post-prohibition than they were pre-prohibition
"Suppressed", lol. Nobody even knew troons existed until like 2015. It's incomparable to left-handedness.
Homosexuality, body modification, genital surgery, hormone therapy, crossdressing, etc were suppressed, and they are at least related to transsexuality.
>genital surgery is suppressed
>it stops being suppressed
>normies want to mutilate their genitals now
This is what you're implying. It makes no sense
Not "normies". People who wanted to, and couldn't, now still want to, and can. So they do.
They do it because it's promulgated and glamorized in media and even the education system, not just because it stopped being suppressed
>They do it because it's promulgated and glamorized
It's not. It's hated and mocked, and you risk physical harm by randoms who never met you before. You are living in Twitter world.
Trans groups receive more money in donations grom governments than literal orphanages and houses for the homeless. They have the most expensive surgeries bankrolled for them. They are a privileged class.
They are all mental illnesses.
Elegebaus, a roman Emperor, was accused of being trans.
Probably fake, but you wouldn't call someone gay if you didn't have a concept of gay. Same here.
They didn't have a concept of it though. They interpreted it as him pretending to be a woman
No, the rumour was that he is offering high amounts of money to any phsusican capable of giving him a vegana
Can't get more blatant than that
Yeah, but they didn't have any concept of "trans" (or some equivalent) as an identity marker. They just saw him as mad.
Yes trans people had no means or organising so they didn't fashion a name for themselves.
The point is that you wouldn't just make something like that up if it wasn't something some people actually wanted. Like you, in your post, wouldn't accuse someone of being mad if you didn't have a concept of madness, and this concept you got from some people in your society being mad.
I sincerely doubt you don't get what I'm saying.
>Yes trans people had no means or organising
They did. What was stopping them from organizing exactly? Roman Empire was very sexually liberal anyway, it's not like they'd get thrown off rooftops like in Islamic countries
>What was stopping them from organizing exactly?
Pre-radio, how do you organise with people who make up less than 1% of the population, randomly dispersed through the population, with no way of outwardly recognising each other, when admitting to what you are publicly is seen as madness?
Even if you met another trans person and somehow started talking about you being trans, which is EXTREMELY unlikely unless you're standing on a soap box yelling at passer byes, chances are they won't be inclined to be politically active anyway.
Brothels existed everywhere in Rome and word of mouth existed, so you'd know where gays, crossdressers and other types of sexual deviants frequent. It's not too crazy that some of these crossdressers would be troons as well.
There is a lot wrong with this.
How many prostitutes in a brothel? 50? Even assuming trans people are double as likely to work there, that makes for a whole TWO. Even assuming both are inclined to be politically active, you now have 2 poorgays working at an undignified job for meagre wages who are also probably depressed. What a powerful and far reaching organisation, I'm sure this will lead to a lot of political achievement.
Mean quadruple
There were much more than 50 (and brothels were everywhere), and various empires, like some Asian ones, had entire prostitution industries.
>What a powerful and far reaching organisation, I'm sure this will lead to a lot of political achievement.
Communism started from some NEET's basement while Nazism was initiated by a poorgay virgin failed artist in a pub.
It's not like they can post newspaper ads when most people can't read
How did Orphic cults, Taiping Tianguo, Red Eyebrows movement, Vril Gesellschaft, and countless other marginal groups form when most people were illiterate?
Elagabalus was a very prominent and famous figure, so why didn't people identify or stand with him like they stand with, say, Rachel Levine nowadays? If people could find a way to recruit/join various heretic secret societies that would jeopardize their lives, why couldn't they form a troony identity in one of the most sexually permissive societies in history?
At this point you are arguing that the exact Oxford dictionary definition of the exact word transgender wasn't in exact literal use.
Would you similarly argue that food conservation didn't happen in the ancient world, because they didn't have tin cans and refrigerators, or the concept of germ theory?
your ignorance isn't an argument, the west isn't the entire world, some SEA countries have always had a trans community
Some irrelevant shithole tribes with population of 5 and places like Thailand which don't have a "trans community" but actually ladyboy fetishists? Ok
It's hated and mocked by normal people but glamorized by the media. Even most of normal people bite their tongue nowadays and avoid criticizing troons
>glamorized by the media
You literally post media demonizing it. Get off the internet, your brain is rotting
none of these places have a weird troony cult that demands access to women's olympics and bathrooms and biology text books revised
You can also find media supporting Nazis if you know which Telegram channels to follow, that doesn't mean the overwhelming majority of the media is anti-Nazi.
The word transgender barely existed in the media before OWS you fricking moron. Most people didn't know or care such people existed, whereas now it's one of the top political issues because the media astroturfed it into existence
>OWS
>2015
You really are moronic
No you. They started the astroturf right after OWS, and then it really started to pick up speed around 2015 or so.
>Nobody even knew troons existed until like 2015.
you are moronic, don't goalpost, just admit it
>In Mesopotamian mythology, among the earliest written records of humanity, there are references to types of people who are not men and not women.
>In a Sumerian creation myth found on a stone tablet from the second millennium BC, the goddess Ninmah fashions a being "with no male organ and no female organ", for whom Enki finds a position in society: "to stand before the king".
>In the Akkadian myth of Atra-Hasis (ca. 1700 BC), Enki instructs Nintu, the goddess of birth, to establish a "third category among the people" in addition to men and women, that includes demons who steal infants, women who are unable to give birth, and priestesses who are prohibited from bearing children.
>In Babylonia, Sumer and Assyria, certain types of individuals who performed religious duties in the service of Inanna/Ishtar have been described as a third gender. They worked as sacred prostitutes or Hierodules, performed ecstatic dance, music and plays, wore masks and had gender characteristics of both women and men.
>In Sumer, they were given the cuneiform names of ur.sal ("dog/man-woman") and kur.gar.ra (also described as a man-woman).
>Modern scholars, struggling to describe them using contemporary sex/gender categories, have variously described them as "living as women", or used descriptors such as hermaphrodites, eunuchs, homosexuals, transvestites, effeminate males and a range of other terms and phrases.
None of these are similar to the modern concept of transgender identity, with genital mutilation, dysphoria, sperging over pronouns and misgendering, attempting to abolish gender while simultaneously being obsessed with it, holding social justice-inspired parades and protests, etc.
Yes, I know people who didn't follow gender roles existed. That doesn't mean you should lump it all together as the same exact thing. Your last paragraph says that scholars struggle to define these people in modern terms. Are you also going to bring up the Skoptsy and Chinese court eunuchs to support your position?
>Sumerian houses weren't like modern houses, therefore the concept of the home was invented in the 20th century
false equivalence, it is like saying because pagans used to dress up as animals that modern furries are actual wolves
The concept of preferred pronouns, dysphoria, sex change surgeries, and other key facets of modern trans identities, yes, all of them are modern concepts.
So you concede, okay
These are modern developments on the old concept of being one gender, but living as the other.
Like the refrigerator and TV are modern developments on how to lay out a home.
>These are modern developments on the old concept of being one gender, but living as the other.
But the similarity is very superficial. Babylonian priests who used both genders' characteristics in spiritual rituals and today's triggered Twitter troons are completely different. The social context is simply way too disparate. Even if you compare, say, onnagata to modern drag queens, the former were just theatrical performers in a society that wouldn't let women perform, while the latter are political activists who want to mold the brains of kindergarteners to make them dress up as prostitutes
Drag queens are still theatrical performers. Have you ever been to a drag show? It's more like a form of clownish, vaudeville standup comedy mixed with lip-syncing to popular songs and is also a distinct thing from transgenderism.
I'm not saying it's the same thing as troonyism. Why is everyone here so incapable of reading comprehension?
Didn't read
They knew about crossdressers from like Crocodile Dundee or Silence of the Lambs but nobody really cared about them and nobody knew the difference between transvestite and transgender. The latter really was never a considerable social phenomenon until cca. the Trumpian age
>They knew about crossdressers from like Crocodile Dundee or Silence of the Lambs but nobody really cared about them and nobody knew the difference between transvestite and transgender. The latter really was never a considerable social phenomenon until cca. the Trumpian age
Completely out of touch lmao
Did you just come of age during Trump's campaign, and think all grown up stuff started there?
No argument detected. Snarky bullshit won't get you far on this board, sorry
What argument, dog? You are saying a wrong thing. You are stating something self evidently incorrect. People were unaware of transsexuality until Trump ran for president? The closest thing was crossdressing in Crocodile Dundee?? The argument is that you have no argument. You are just claiming yourself correct, and dismissing people who tell you to frick off.
Frick off.
You're either a moron or disingenuous. The OP is about transgenderism.
Not about mere crossdressing, or skoptsy, or onnagata, or mythological hermaphrodites, or kocek, or Babylonian priests, or women wearing pants after seeing a Bernays ad, or Albanian virdžine, or David Bowie, or whatever the frick, but TRANSGENDERISM. The concept of one "gender" being born in the body of another.
People kinda knew about a few marginal cases like Christine Jorgensen, but it was so obscure a phenomenon and so irrelevant, that nobody even cared enough about it to "suppress" it.
Are you telling me that the astronomical rise in troony kids in present-day America is a reaction to the supposed "suppression" that's been going on? If that's the case, is it because troonyism would be a common thing without being "suppressed" or is it because these kids are coming out as troons as a mere faux-edgy reaction to this supposed suppression and they wouldn't even be trannies if this suppression didn't exist?
Because both of these claims are very counter-intuitive and require serious examination.
I am replying to
>Nobody even knew troons existed until like 2015.
and
>They knew about crossdressers from like Crocodile Dundee or Silence of the Lambs but nobody really cared about them and nobody knew the difference between transvestite and transgender. The latter really was never a considerable social phenomenon until cca. the Trumpian age
If these are your posts, stop lying. If they aren't your posts, learn how to use IQfy and read the thread.
>Because both of these claims are very counter-intuitive and require serious examination.
Is it counter-intuitive to you that when suppression of christianity in the USSR ended, suddenly self declared religiousness rose up multiple times?
Is it counter-intuitive to you that when the alcohol probation laws were lifted, americans started drinking much more alcohol?
Its seems very intuitive to me.
Yes, it's counter-intuitive. You're essentially arguing that it's completely normal that over 20% of children identify as LGBT, let alone T, an identity whose core idea is that you're not who you were born as and that you ideally need a genital mutilation surgery and various other painful and unsettling to fix it.
Just WHAT would be the evolutionary benefit of a relatively large percentage of a species to be like this?
Is this really more intuitive to you than the explanation that confused, not yet fully mentally developed kids pick it up from the media, schools and occasionally from their politically conscious liberal-progressive parents?
Drag queens aren't really the same. Depending on who you ask their either homosexual men that dress as women to mock them as a comedy bit, or fetishist that get hard pp from women's clothing. Either way it's very different from a male actor portraying a female because females aren't allowed on stage
get some meds please
your schizophrenic ramblings about LGBT ideology do not reflect reality
No ideology besides mental illness and israelites laughing at the takers of such "therapy ". Fricking israelites
>holding social justice-inspired parades and protests, etc.
I think this is a much broader phenomenon. I went to a Pride parade over the weekend and it was interesting. I'm a gay but didn't want to go (I've been before) but my family roped me into it because I have a trans cousin who wanted to go. But really I think it has become a full-blown social ritual unto itself. There were probably 40,000 people out there, many of them not "gay" or "lesbian" in that binary way (and disproportionately women). There were many straight couples, which is worth pondering too, and some of the women seemed to drag their boyfriends along with them. It's like LGBT is the core group of it but it has grown into a larger liberal-"progressive" holiday, and one of the largest groups at the parade was Moms Demand Action, a liberal gun-control group.
I don't care if people like them or not, or even hate them or think it's the ruin of our stupid civilization. I don't give a shit. But I think it's a much more complex thing and to understand it would require thinking more deeply about social rituals and traditions and how they develop, and it's evident by how genuinely enthusiastic many people who participate in it are.
Thinking? Studying? Nah m8 frick that, much easier to reduce everything down to buzzwords.
>I'm a gay
We can tell
>why have all these left wing political actors metastisized into this highly visible organization that is legally protected from discrimination and criticism?
I dunno you're the gay you tell me
>religious expression
>religious expression
>religious expression
>religious expression
Sexual fetishists are not comparable to this
Religion used to be part of every facet of life. Using your logic, there was no science, no war, no ethics, no brotherhood, it was all religious expression.
But I know for a fact you aren't seriously arguing that prostitution in the temple of the Wide vegana wasn't sexual expression, and you are just pretending to "win an argument" on a hentai forum.
>You're essentially arguing that it's completely normal that over 20% of children identify as LGBT, let alone T
>ctrl+f 20%
>0 results
I am essentially not arguing that, and you are essentially strawmanning me to pretend like you are winning an argument.
>Just WHAT would be the evolutionary benefit of a relatively large percentage of a species to be like this?
What is the evolutionary benefit of finding feet sexually arousing? Yet its wide spread. Natural selection doesn't produce perfect organisms, just ones that are slightly more fit for their environment than the last generation. Plenty of useless appendices, including behaviourally.
>Is this really more intuitive to you than the explanation that confused, not yet fully mentally developed kids pick it up from the media, schools and occasionally from their politically conscious liberal-progressive parents?
Is it really that hard for you to accept that people who like different things than you aren't brainwashed by the illuminati, and you aren't objectively correct in every feeling you have?
>I am essentially not arguing that, and you are essentially strawmanning me to pretend like you are winning an argument.
Well what are you arguing? Aren't you trying to say that it's normal for like 20% of kids to be LGBT (it doesn't matter if the number isn't explicitly referenced in the thread because it's what the stats show) and that the only reason this wasn't the case before is because it was suppressed?
Or are you arguing that they identify as trans BECAUSE they perceive it to have been suppressed and wouldn't normally identify as trans?
I asked you before what your stance actually is and you didn't answer.
>What is the evolutionary benefit of finding feet sexually arousing? Yet its wide spread. Natural selection doesn't produce perfect organisms, just ones that are slightly more fit for their environment than the last generation. Plenty of useless appendices, including behaviourally.
Liking feet is different from mutilating your genitals and being completely alienated from the rest of society because you sperg out when they mess up your pronouns.
One has no bearing on procreative success, the other does, and it also destabilizes society.
The only time foot fetish ever became political and as such darwinistically relevant was Chinese foot binding, and it's debatable if it was useful for procreation. On the one hand it turned women into breeding machines who were too physically disabled for anything else, but on the other hand it was inhumane so they ditched it as soon as it became politically feasible.
>Is it really that hard for you to accept that people who like different things than you aren't brainwashed by the illuminati, and you aren't objectively correct in every feeling you have?
Strawman. Everyone is "brainwashed" into something. Education is highly important and what you teach kids has an effect on their mental state, self-perception, worldview, etc.
>Nobody even knew troons existed until like 2015
newbie.
Buck Angel, a transgender porn model, was a IQfy meme since 2007 or so. Bailey Jay/Linetrap too, around that time.
Frick off migger. Am abomination known by a tiny minority of people doesnt make it wide known.
Transsexualism didn't achieve the cultural influence/prominence in the West until about 2016. Before then it was a niche sexual fetish and was seen as such by the mainstream
Nothing you say will ever reach them. They are the center of their universe and if they didn't know about it, it must not have existed.
Nevermind that Ru Paul has been internationally famous for several decades now.
If furries became mainstream tomorrow in the same way trannies have, would you call someone a newbie for not thinking furries were always well known because the internet has known about (and hated) them for decades?
Women pretending to be men to serve at the army was a common trope in 16th century poems.
It occurred during the U.S. civil war as well, and also cases of wives pretending to be men and then joining the army to fight alongside their husbands in battle, which wouldn't be exposed until they wound up in a medical tent with a gunshot wound.
I can think of exactly two cases where that happened, one in the North and one in the South
Which still isn't the same as troonism
How is it different?
They didn't think they were men in women's bodies, they just larped as men to join the army
No, I'm arguing that it just wasn't a "thing". It doesn't seem to have been a fully-fledged sociopolitical IDENTITY like it is today. Elagabalus' madness wasn't seen as anything particularly distinct from Caligula's madness. It was just seen as madness.
Transgender is seen as a "fully-fledged sociopolitical IDENTITY" only by its enemies. For its proponents, its gender expression, like a man wearing a skirt or a woman going to her wedding with a suit and tie.
You are making it a "fully-fledged sociopolitical IDENTITY" by othering them, when they want to be joined with you and be normal weirdos with some odd views about who they are and how they should be like. You are creating an enemy for you to be outraged by, and then blame DAH ILLUMINATEH for doing it. You are the illuminati, Anon. Take your meds. Your mother and I love you, and trust you can make a full recovery. Everyone is cheering for you!
>Transgender is seen as a "fully-fledged sociopolitical IDENTITY" only by its enemies.
They literally have a flag. What's a flag but a symbolic representation of delineation? Of setting a boundary between that which the flag represents and that which it doesn't?
>You are making it a "fully-fledged sociopolitical IDENTITY" by othering them,
They openly identify as trans so it's not something "their enemies" have invented. Even the phrase "their enemies" implies there's a "they" who have enemies.
you will never be a man. we all know and laugh at you. embrace your fate. you are a sexual deviant NOT a man.
>For its proponents, its gender expression, like a man wearing a skirt or a woman going to her wedding with a suit and tie
I will always find it hilarious that trannies have brought traditional gender roles back and reinforced them more then ever.
>you can't be a man wearing girl's clothes or liking girly things... you're obviously a woman on the inside
People knew about them.
What are you on about? They weren't mainstream but transsexuals were well known as an idea.
People knew about it, but it was never really talked about.
>political activists who want to mold the brains of kindergarteners to make them dress up as prostitutes
Meds.
Yawn
israelite detected
Ok groomer
Is it true that forcing your left-handed kid to be right-handed even when done very early on fricks their dexterity up?
no, my great-aunt was left-handed and forced to write with her right hand. she ended up always writing with her right hand (and she had much better handwriting than 90% of my peers) and did everything else with her left hand
No it causes them to be ambidextrous which, while neat, is pointless except in cases of unfortunate injuries
>16 year old troony redditors posting on IQfy
These are the people calling you a chud
WHOAAAAAH a +200% increase in 50 years. That's crazy. How much have the transgender rates increased in the last 5 years?
your point being?
even if was a million %, it would have nothing to do with the argument
Why? Because you say so?
One thing that is worth studying is that in the previous literature male born transgenderism rates were consistently higher than female born transgenderism rates, but in the past years the trend has been completely reversed. That shows that there's more to this increase than the loss of supression, unless it can be proven that females are more susceptible to social pressure than males by a huge factor.
troony stole my wallet
God i just wish i was born a girl
Oh yeah, well I wish i was born less autistic but shit doesnt work that way
Divorce rates going up after women became able to secure credit themselves in the 70s
oh the poor left-handers. learned ambidextrosity is truly the worst fate
the troon itt is delusional, you got diddled, deal with it
projection
>False equivalence
Left handing happens naturally if you just stop supressing It. Taking hormones and cutting your dick is not
Hate speech much, bigot?
I do think there are some people with a brain of a sex instead of another. But their numbers are inflacted by other people brainwashed to turn trans and/or by chemicals in water/food
what a moronic analogy
did left-handed people also go back being right-handed like how some trannies are detransitioning?
Source for the pic?
Looks to be self-reported.
https://segm.org/first_large_study_of_detransitioners
>Change in political views 43%
Spain under Muslim control vs breeding everyone and everything and building an empire and then having your offspring essentially destroy North America without lifting a finger.
>transgenderism is like left-handism
>just allow people to be their true authentic self
>people‘s true authentic self are castrated and emasculated Eunuchs, whose crotch is a mutilated, hairball-gathering second anus with the skin of their inverted penis grafted on, which needs to be artificially prevented from healing and permanently addicted and dependent on pharmaceuticals or Girls artificially being sterilized and extremely masculinized, having their entire arm skinned to muscles, sinew and bones to fashion this arm-scalp into a phallic shaped object and hide their vegana underneath
Sure bro.
Yeah, and?
"Public demonstrations in South Africa" fits this bill, in a big way. Well into the early 1980s, mass demonstrations were very illegal and the South African Police would routinely ban them on the grounds that they were likely to turn violent anyway so better to nip them in the bud.
By the 1980s and definitely the 1990s though the police had mostly given up on totally stopping unlawful assemblies and in some cases trying to do so had become futile when you're talking about tens or even hundreds or thousands of people (trying to get them to disperse would have required absurd levels of police resources).
Trannies are mentally ill and should be locked up in asylums.
>What comes to mind is immigration and religious worship in Warsaw Pact countries.
Not all of them. Czech Republic and East Germany stayed pretty much entirely atheist afterwards
False equivalency. There wasn’t endless amounts of propaganda grooming encouraging people to use their left hand. They just stopped forcing them to use their right hand. Sure there would be more in the closet if it wasn’t “acceptable” to be LGBT. But the T is a whole different animal and one that has something to do with social engineering
>Sure there would be more in the closet if it wasn’t “acceptable” to be LGBT. But the T is a whole different animal and one that has something to do with social engineering
Same goes for LGB, especially L.
Lesbianism is quite literally fake and gay. Women who identify as lesbians are either ugly coping landwhales or normal straight women who like to cop a feel of their best friend's boob from time to time and are psyopped by the media into thinking that makes them lesbian. .
Gays or gay behavior has always existed.
Nobody's saying it hasn't
It's still unnatural and an abomination committed by those who don't like to retain God in their knowledge, read Romans 1.
>There wasn’t endless amounts of propaganda grooming encouraging people to use their left hand.
This doesn't exist for trans people either.
>trans people
The correct term is pedophiles.
Another lefty who denies that kids are susceptible to image culture and that a large number of trans people are bad faith actors.
Next.
Why do trannies live rent-free in IQfy(nel)ers' heads?
Video games. They spread through Discord.
People with autism like to categorize things and get very upset when something exists outside of those permeters.
It's funny how people only have to say troony once for you homosexual morons to tell them they're obsessed, but when calling everyone a gay or suffixing words with -gay was more common the gays wouldn't cry about how they're oppressed by the chuds on a shitty imageboard.
Isn't bi-polar an actual one?
Unless BPD means body positivity disorder or some shit.
Sex. Back when sex was seen as sinful and bad people tried not to do it and avoided showing boobs and ass. Now that it's not punished women flaunt their ass and boobs all the time and many frick a lot. Hell every girl I went to school with lost their virginity before graduating. I have only met a couple of women outside school that were virgins. And they generally has some weird personality that could make you think why they couldn't get laid.
Virginity rates are rising in both men and women
FALSE EQUIVALENCY. LRN 2 LOGIC. THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.
You are a mentally ill zoomer troon.