what are some pro-ignorance books

what are some pro-ignorance books

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Socrates in Phaedrus with his myth of Thoth

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the exact opposite. A modern parallel would be how the internet gives modern people the feeling that they know "a lot" but this really takes away all the knowledge that they have. Instead of thinking and reasoning with themselves, they consult Google and replace true knowledge with random factoids. People today believe they are omniscient, but they really know nothing, and it's for precisely the reason Socrates gives.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wendell

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Socrates supports censoring bad things like Homer too in other dialogues.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Socrates was simultaneously pro-ignorance and against ignorance at the same time.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Midwit interpretation. He was in favour of acknowledging ignorance, including his own, as a mechanism for dispelling that ignorance. But then wtf do I know?

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            He was in favor of people remaining ignorant of ignorance which is ironically pro-ignorance in a way.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where ignorance is bliss ‘tis folly to be wise

            I think you’re missing the bigger picture, but once again wtf do I know?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          He questioned every institution of knowledge even the oracle itself

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the exact opposite. A modern parallel would be how the internet gives modern people the feeling that they know "a lot" but this really takes away all the knowledge that they have. Instead of thinking and reasoning with themselves, they consult Google and replace true knowledge with random factoids. People today believe they are omniscient, but they really know nothing, and it's for precisely the reason Socrates gives.

      Interestingly, Plato and Socrates predicted the DEBOOOONKER type.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >These damn kids and their written word
        They weren't wrong tbf

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paradise lost

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      the Bible of course

      dumb post

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rousseau's Discourse on the Arts and Sciences:

    >"Astronomy was born of
    superstition, eloquence of ambition, hatred, falsehood and flattery; geometry of avarice; physics of an idle curiosity; and even moral philosophy of human pride. Thus the arts and sciences owe their birth to our vices; we should be less doubtful of their advantages, if they had sprung from our virtues."

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not the bible.
    >As Genesis shows us, the origin of sin the world is not knowledge, as is often said (as though God were interdicting our intellectual development, which would be absurd); it is knowledge of good and evil. In this context knowledge means decision. What is not acceptable to God is that we should decide on our own what is good and what is evil. Biblically, the good is in fact the will of God. That is all. What God decides, whatever it may be, is good. If then we decide what the good is, we substitute our will for God's. We construct morality when we say and do what is good, and it is then that we are sinners. To elaborate a moral system is to show oneself to be a sinner before God, not because the conduct is bad, but because, even if it is good, another good is substituted for the will of God.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Not the bible.
      >As Genesis shows
      ...

      >Biblically, the good is in fact the will of God. That is all
      But as anyone can plainly see, this is wrong. yhwh is evil and a fool. Denial of our own will for an absolute obedience comes from a tribal leader of an authoritarian bent, and Abrahamism was just such a curse on the globe. This hairsplitting doesn't change the fact that the Bible IS a pro-ignorance book

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I am not a Christian. But Ellul's argument sounds solid. The only true morality would come from an all-powerful being who knows everything.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The only true morality would come from an all-powerful being who knows everything.
          You might think that. But seeing yhwh as that being? No. Clearly not.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            You make a subjective moral judgement when you say "yhwh" is "evil and a fool." Who would be more trustworthy? An omniscient entity or someone that believes morality is subjective yet uses a moral argument against "yhwh"?

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ywhw is the source of all good and morality
            >its evil to kill and be violent and whatever
            >please ignore every instance of ywhw engaging in the same behavior he supposedly condemns

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >morality is based on power (ie. subjective)
            >No, Morality is objective, because it comes from God, the most powerful being in existence! And you should listen to him!

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Who would be more trustworthy?
            Firstly we must start with the fact that he isn't real.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then he can neither be evil nor a fool.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Get off IQfy, Varg. You have a family to raise,

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Luciferian Black personbabble.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ah, the demon’s own son, crawls back to spit obscenities and lies.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      So does being a very indecisive person I am bring me closer to a pre-Fallen state of man?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What is not acceptable to God is that we should decide on our own what is good and what is evil.

      Great idea, just mindlessly obey authority. Never take any risk, even if it can make the world a far better place

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anything written by a marxists

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seconding.
      >In a little state with a small population, I would so order it,
      >that, though there were individuals with the abilities of ten or a
      >hundred men, there should be no employment of them; I would make the
      >people, while looking on death as a grievous thing, yet not remove
      >elsewhere (to avoid it).
      >Though they had boats and carriages, they should have no occasion
      >to ride in them; though they had buff coats and sharp weapons, they
      >should have no occasion to don or use them.
      >I would make the people return to the use of knotted cords (instead
      >of the written characters).
      >They should think their (coarse) food sweet; their (plain) clothes
      >beautiful; their (poor) dwellings places of rest; and their common
      >(simple) ways sources of enjoyment.
      >There should be a neighbouring state within sight, and the voices
      >of the fowls and dogs should be heard all the way from it to us, but I
      >would make the people to old age, even to death, not have any
      >intercourse with it.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know much about history, but this seems quite false. I'm pretty sure the biggest kingdoms in history had rulers known for intelligence, Cyrus, Alexander, etc.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm pretty sure the biggest kingdoms in history had rulers known for intelligence
        You are thinking to literally. The point of the passage is that to be a leader, you can't be encouraging other people to think for themselves, as then they become unruly. And a leader who thinks too much will doubt their own actions to such a degree that he/she won't be effective.
        The word "educate" itself comes from e + duco. Meaning to lead/draw outward. So to educate, in a sense is to draw out your own or thoughts. Whereas to lead in the real world is to make others forget themselves, to draw/lead them in unity to yourself, rather than to their own will.
        Clever people think for themselves, and so don't make for good governable subjects.
        If every person had a mind of their own, there would be chaos.
        The author is suggesting that the good leader, makes his subjects forget themselves, but also that within us there are these two contrary impulses which must be held in balance.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          How is that anything like Cyrus' empire? He was known for letting the people have autonomy.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        The most powerful nations in the last few centuries are all ones who adopted systems designed to not let any exceptional individuals gain power, though.

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anything I write on my substack

  8. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    all non-islamic books

  9. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Myth of Sisyphus - Albert FRICK'n CAMUS

  10. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Picture of Dorian Gray. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

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