What are the real advantages of African architecture?
For one they're usually designed to disperse heat. Imagine this but on a grand scale with a dome.
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What are the real advantages of African architecture? For one they're usually designed to disperse heat.
It's cheap and difficult to fly a plane into.
Stone buildings are superior to whatever that garbage is.
Not inherently poltard. Live inside a stone building in that location and watch me laugh as you get baked alive. Earth is more appropriate for that climate.
The most important MENA buildings were stone
I disagree. I haven't seen a thread yet about the good in African architecture.
For example, why is the big cone in OP? Similar heat dispersal as domes? Where are the heat vents?
If you’re interested in this subject, read accounts from European and Arab explorers. There’s nothing particularly unique about West African architecture, it’s very similar to the architecture in other places on the continent with similar climates.
OP here. I mostly agree but there are still interesting variations
So I'm moronic and this was the video I was thinking of, obviously unrelated to OP but still interesting.
However, in searching I did find these two videos
(decent video going over Persian wind catchers used for heating and cooling).
(NatGeo video going over the design philosophy of a building in Zimbabwe with zero artificial air conditioning)
What really caught my eye is the design intersection of the termite mound influence in relation to OPs picture. Obviously it's not 1 for 1, however influences are still there with the air ducts, and chimney. It's interesting to think about whether our ancestors used some primitive form of biomimicry in their day to day lives, and it proceeding to fall out of favor as time went on. Only for it to come back in full force in so many design applications in the modern age.
That or I'm reaching super hard here.
More interesting architecture/design, just not in west Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l
I never knew yakchals were a thing, obviously caves have been used for cooling as well as the other videos I linked. But to develop a building that can store ice year round in the scorching Persian desert with zero issue? All the way back in 400BCE? Insane.
jesus christ what else did the persians invent
thats literally amazing
Gotta do some laundry so won't be on again for the rest of the day till tomorrow sometime. Of the thread doesn't get archived I'll post more stuff I find.
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At work now, I'll see if I can contribute when I go to break.
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Not much time to look people are cucks and called out, but here's a paper somebody did on the differences between aqueducts and qanats.
https://studylib.net/doc/7653106/differences-between-persian-qanats-and-roman-aqueducts
Some of the key take aways I noticed were that while aqueducts provided a source of water they leaned more into a symbol of wealth and accomplishment, whereas with how the qanat is built it serves a more integral part to the society (hurr durr duh anon, arid desert need water no shit). Not only serving as a source of drinking water, irrigation but also to help cool the houses it would flow under through vertical access channels.
To tangent off into irrigation, had no idea that back in 300sBC, in ancient Sri Lanka advanced underground irrigation systems were being developed and enhanced replete with full on underwater storage facilities. Rivaling and arguably far out pacing what we would see in ancient Egypt/Mesopotamia as well as the systems used in Peru and China during that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_irrigation_network
I have to go back to work, I'll see what I can run across through out the day, if anyone has something to share I'd love to read about it. Really cool seeing what was being designed and innovated on in the ancient era.
Oh shit, nvm about shutting the thread down. Post more.
They could at least use a kind of adobe that doesn't need to constantly be refreshed every year.
That kind being...? Where are pre-industrial migratory farmers getting water-resistant adobe?
You realise that mosque was built in the 20th century right?
You meant that one specifically? I think they kept it for the sake of tradition.
Okay, but what's the end goal here? 20 years later, you still have to move. You've just made basic setup take longer since you're importing building materials.
lets be real some of them had the natural wealth and trade networks to do it all this time
>criticize africa
>POOOOOOOOOL
why are they like this
Because most racists on this site are /misc/ browsers and have their beliefs reinforced by other people on the board.
you are a moron
It’s literally impossible to discuss west Africa without the thread getting bombarded with racists. Stop making these threads. You’re either completely new to this site or intentionally trying to bait /misc/tards. Either way, frick off. There’s no discussion that can happen here.
Not him but I'm interested, I'll see if I can find the video but there are places in very dry and arid areas similar to the West African climate that are adopting certain architectural styles to help develop green space friendly cooling/heating solutions.
We have all the right to speak about Africa, they try to demolish all our infrastructure but the elevators don't clean themselves (blood elevator scene from the Shining but with shit)
>What are the real advantages of African architecture?
Easier to make when you're a backward "civilization" not developed enough to have stone quarries
>For one they're usually designed to disperse heat.
Not really
They're too narrow and small scale to do that effectively
>They're too narrow and small scale to do that effectively
moron take
You ever realize this rooted in a deep insecurity
Whoa. When did IQfy become a quality board?
>What are the real advantages of African architecture?
Varies by region.
They're designed to accommodate the needs of whoever lives there, and the most important factor is sedentism. If the soil can support continuous habitation for decades on-end, you'll get permanent structures, designed for a community whose members live the majority of their lives in that area. On the other hand, if you live in the Sahel or savanna, without the benefit of deep soils (so excluding Hausaland), you'll naturally need to migrate, and work with the restriction of there being very little quality wood. Buildings constructed for this may be easy to construct, and may not be designed to last forever. They feature footholds for easy and regular maintenance, and they're often made of the surrounding dirt, for ease of construction.
In contrast, buildings in densely-populated regions with good soil tended to be larger and more complex.
Pic related is a Yoruba government building. It features thatched roofing to deal with the continuous rainfalls, and bamboo material since it's abundant, and not preyed upon by the local termites. Similar materials were used across the whole of the tropics, but in Yorubaland (and Benin), they capped all of their walls with some level of roofing to let them endure in the face of rain.
>Pic related is a Yoruba government building
Jesus christ not even /misc/ can make blacks look as bad they naturally make themselves do
op here if im being honest ive made 9:1 threads hating on and defending africa. not a pol user.
>On the other hand, if you live in the Sahel or savanna, without the benefit of deep soils (so excluding Hausaland), you'll naturally need to migrate, and work with the restriction of there being very little quality wood
"no"
Timbuktu, the most important and complex (albeit still garbage by civilized standards) city in precolonial black Africa is in the Sahel
Timbuktu wasn't the most important or complex city even in its own home country. It was just a developed trading outpost and vanity project for two kingdoms. It gets blown out of proportion by Eurasian and North African traders since it's the only place they could go without catching sleeping sickness.
>Timbuktu wasn't the most important or complex city even in its own home country.
Frick off moron
>He actually thinks a desert trading outpost was more important than Djenne
Timbuktu had a library
Yes.
as an africa defender hes right about at least this anon
>What are the real advantages of African architecture?
making chuds seethe.
>architecture
>designed
ok bro
High ceilings and open soave to help with air circulation. Indoors usually don't have doors as room dividers as much. Circular housing easier to do and uses less material to make to cover the same living space as rectangular so it's uses less material. Uses of fractals in various ways.
Bit rectangular housing is also done in various parts. Several areas use arches.
Since this thread doesn't seem to be shit(yet) I guess I dump some African Architecture
Northern European architecture and Sub-Saharan Architecture is same shit
Radically different due to climate and materials.
To some extent, the Odin Temple was just a bunch of ugly wood. But then they had contact with Europe, which leapt from the innovations of the ANE. BUT so did SSAs, who definitely had the means to collect and import materials for grand projects... They just never did.
>who definitely had the means to collect and import materials for grand projects... They just never did.
Timbuktu was brought up just a few hours ago. The Eredo is one of the largest walls in human history. Don't lie.
Timbuktu's architect was an Arab who had it built from mud. It's not impressive (on an objective global comparison), but it does have some notable exotic elements.
Please tell me more about Eredo, I'm interested. How much of it was wall, and how much ditch?
>Timbuktu's architect was an Arab who had it built from mud
The architect was a local. They just brought in an Arab who'd seen a similar structure in Egypt and had him describe it to them.
>It's not impressive (on an objective global comparison)
It's a school with a series of personal libraries, making the entire city a haven for the literate and well-bred when, just a few decades prior, it was nothing but a watering hole. This, as a diplomatic gesture to the people who can't walk south without dying.
Your idea of "impressive" is pointless. If it doesn't have practical value for the people commissioning it, it's vain.
>Please tell me more about Eredo, I'm interested. How much of it was wall, and how much ditch?
Varies by section and date.
>Was Eredo made of material to last, or was it always going to disappear in the jungle or wash away?
Neither. It underwent regular maintenance as needed, like any defensive structure. Maintenance ended when the kingdom was subjugated.
What special literature came from Timbuktu? From what I've learned of it, it peaked with redundant law books and local history. It was otherwise important for copies of preexisting literatures.
My idea of impressive is correct. Timbuktu was mostly redundant, and unless it produced great poetry, epic, or along those lines, any opposing take is a cope.
>Maintenance ended when the kingdom was subjugated.
So it was always destined to rot. The Maya otoh were actually impressive.
So you have nothing? You defend Timbuktu without knowing Arabic or looking into its actual libraries? Timbuktu's just a hobby to you?
The Epic of Sundiata was from 2 centuries before Timbuktu became an important scholastic center.
Is this the best that Timbuktu defenders have to offer? Not a good look.
One century before*
Excuses. So all they really did was copy their civilizational betters? Why weren't they able to make breakthroughs in art and social science, much less science? They had contact with the rest of civilization for sure.
Okay, this is just obvious bait. Have fun, schizo.
>What special literature came from Timbuktu? From what I've learned of it, it peaked with redundant law books and local history.
I don't have the patience to dive through the archives and figure out which manuscripts were original works.
>Timbuktu was mostly redundant
It's a source for works from as far out as India, but available in West Africa. As in, you don't have to hope the people traveling 2.3k+ miles on foot across the desert each way happen to have your desired work with them for an agreeable price.
>My idea of impressive is correct.
It's stupid. You're not even asking for anything real or worthwhile. You're just upset you weren't able to see it when it was still in use.
>So it was always destined to rot.
What, are you feeling left out?
For the rest of your flimsy ad hominem, I have this to say: Africa sucks, and so do wimpy blackoid defenders of it like you.
There’s nothing that has to be defended. African history is objectively great.
so your post is:
>WAAAHHHH somoneone called out my bs and I can't make them stop!!
lmao the state of this site
There is nothing to defend. From the northern regions of Egypt down to Shaka Zulu and greater Zimbabwe in the south. To the cushites and Aksum in the east to Mali and Ghana in the West. African industry is incredibly interesting and worth while. Any self respecting historian knows this and those that LARP as white nationalist are just not smart enough to even realize it.
>Timbuktu was mostly redundant
Calling it redundant is stupid. The Library of Alexandria mostly carried documents on frivolous shit or records yet no one bashes that.
I also consider Zimbabwe and Fasilides just competent.
Was Eredo made of material to last, or was it always going to disappear in the jungle or wash away?