what book would you recommend to someone who loved neuromancer?
i tried reading more classic sci-fi or other cyberpunks books but nothing compares to neuromancer
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what book would you recommend to someone who loved neuromancer?
have u red the cquells
No
i'll look into that thanks
>cquells
I'm a moron but also ESL, i did not understand this and i ignored it
I read all the gibson books
Just sound it out Pedro
No
then stay moronic
The Dervish House
Burning Chrome
try light by m john harrison. literally one of the only things to scratch the itch for me
Richard Morgan’s earlier sci fi
Thanks for the suggestions everyone
IQfy charts fricking sucks
Gravity's Rainbow
I'd suggest Gibson's Pattern Recognition if you want something that's more modern.
i thought Pattern Recognition was amazing. Def more modern. I love that vibe of 2000s era end-of-history and how the worlds soul was slowly drained
>what book would you recommend to someone who loved neuromancer?
Burning Chrome
Count Zero
Burning Chrome
Hardwired
The Outlander
Snow Crash
Neuropath
Idoru
Pattern Recognition
>Snow Crash
i heard it's some weeb-tier samurai shit
>Hardwired
>The Outlander
>Neuropath
thanks
I liked Snow Crash more than neuromancer tbh.
Why?
>Snow Crash
If you want a book about some weird theories about the divergence of language and a plot and setting that only exist to sell that as a cyberpunk story, sure
Pretty prescient stuff about CEOs hoarding stolen artifacts from the middle east, though
The main "character" uses a katana maybe twice if I remember, the story may as well not even exist, honestly
yea ez a bit ridiculous tho is more about some black hapa pizza delivering samurai preventing a televangelist from shipping immigrants infected with a cognito linguistic virus that originate from the tower of babel by fighing an alaskan armed with a glass shiv in the matrix
I like it for the ridiculousness of it all and also about language and biblical references
Snow Crash is dog shit and I hate that you guys trolled me into reading it.
I've never made it past the first chapter because I assumed that, while it was amusing, I couldn't handle an entire book of that
Does it evolve?
This. Which is better than Call of the Crocodile. Despite what IQfy will tell you.
>Call of the Crocodile
Holy frick, get a life.
J G Ballard and Samuel Delaney. The books to get from Ballard are The Drowned World, Concrete Island, Crash, and Crystal World. The books to get from Delaney are Dhalgren, Babel-17 and Empire Star, and Nova. If you don't like these try Philip K. Dick (Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and/or Flow My tears the Policeman said)
The Naked Lunch. That's where Gibson found his voice, the way he presents us his imagery.
>The Naked Lunch.
I found it to be terrible.
I found it to be the best novel written in the 20th century. But clearly, it's not for everyone. Anyway, everything good in Neuromancer or in Gravity Rainbow was already done by Burroughs, and they both know it.
>I found it to be the best novel written in the 20th century
Any specific chapter or passage one should read to see its greatness? I tried to read it from the beginning but got filtered
Shockwave Rider
Never heard of it.
Wrote around the time Pete Townshead invented the internet
Snow Crash is the obvious rec, more goofy, but cyberpunk is a clownworld setting anyway
Also rec Serial Experiments Lain. Maybe laingame.net if they're really tied to reading
Burning Chrome is Gibson's best, but if you enjoyed Neuromancer then I think following through with the sequels is a good choice.
I feel that they only get better.
The Stars My Destination
Gully Foyle is my name,
I read Idoru for the second time this week and was nowhere near as charmed by it as I was the first time. On the other hand, rereading any of the Sprawl books for the umpteenth time just seems to make me enjoy them more.
I'm glad to hear someone say this cause I've always been curious bout the rest of the sprawl but was put off by how bad idoru was
No one's going to mention Philip K. Dick?
There is so much bad prose and prosaic plot elements in All Tomorrow's Parties, can't believe I got memed by Nick Land adjacent cultural studies essays into reading genre fiction.
As I always reccomend LAIN
based lainer
Idoru is Gibson's best after Neuromancer, shame too many scarcely read it
Never heard tale of it
The idoru elements in All Tomorrow's Parties were the only attractive element or hint of eroticism in that work.
what do u love about neuromancer, dear anonperson
1) amphetamines
2) sex with girls
3) space ships
Marinetti's Futurist Cookbook then
Funny how Gibson's works got worse the older he got. He implicitly admits it himself in an interview claiming he was immersed in the scene at the time he put out the Sprawl trilogy and moved further away from it since.
he could have been a Nick Land before Nick Land but decided to become a second-hand Stephen King
was thinking exactly that myself
Good post. Shall give Neuromancer a chance after the middling chore that was All Tomorrow's Parties.
just bought Neuromancer myself, today... gave up on reading it electronically, but it really is a book to own... annoyingly it cost 33% more than was stated on the shelf but I will use that anger for motivation
>it really is a book to own...
What do you mean?
word salad with optimism gets published
... and reprinted
what's not to own?
Interesting. Thank you.
If you go in wanting some kind of philosophical insight into technosystopianism, you’ll probably be disappointed. If you go in looking for a sick fricking heist story with some bits of the other thing, you’ll have a good time.
I was disapointed. I don't rate it as a heist story, not that I'd find that interesting. Is there any sci-fi of literary quality? Something written well that does offer a philosophical insight into technosystopianism?
Neuromancer is only interesting for it's influence, it was a productive feed simply because of how its ideas turn up later in the development of the internet, Nick Land, and general culture.
>Neuromancer is only interesting for it's influence, it was a productive feed simply because of how its ideas turn up later in the development of the internet, Nick Land, and general culture.
if they did and worked out for them, it must have SOMETHING going for it
Like most sci-fi its fans read it as an epcot centre tour guide; descriptions of speculative technology for aesthetic effect. Neuromancer is more interesting for what it got wrong, primarily the absence of social media and smart phones. It's readers thought they were going to be getting body and brain bionics, not boomers sharing pictures of their grandchildren and conspiracy theories. It's a guide for how the advocates and pioneers of tech deluded themselves into what they were actually doing/happening.
could you give any indication of the ratio of 1. speculation on technology to 2. speculation onconsequences of it to 3. the rest?
I have decided to read Lord of Light (Zelazny) before I start "working" Neuromancer
otherwise, we can't blame him for missing social media and smartphones as the first is exclusively for surveillance/elections/lynchings and the second for flooding the internet with third world garbage-eaters to stink up the place
even body/brain bionics would be workable in the absence of social media to centralize all information
If you have a passing interest then just read it. It's a very easy unchallenging read, it will take a day or two. I think its worth reading just for its influence on how techbros see/saw themselves, even if my opinion of the work is negative. IDK how to answer your tech question, there's plenty there, it's very familar because it set so many tropes you'll have already come across of "cyberspace" as imagined in the 80s and 90s. The one prominant tech element that is yet to be realised are implants, mental and physical; you can get software chips that change your personality and your memory, and physical implants that augment your senses and give tech-telepathy. Whether that was a mistake or a prophecy to be fulfilled who knows.
>speculation on consequences of it
There's some. I don't think it's very good. Perhaps on reflection the part where the prostitute reflects on her alienation enabled by technology deserves greater attention as a prediction of social media profilicity. Really the strength is its capturing, or rather creation, of the techbro zeitgeist that would go on to create the internet and change the world, although not in the way they imagined the change or themselves to be.
>Neuromancer is only interesting for it's influence, it was a productive feed simply because of how its ideas turn up later in the development of the internet, Nick Land, and general culture.
I don't think so. It's a great, subversive, well written, forward-thinking piece of literature inspired by Burroughs, Pynchon and Ballard among others. Caper-heist core is just there as a MacGuffin (for idiots too, not to get lost ) he's on to something else. There are enough ideas here for ten books in there. Quite re-readable visionary work. It's a shame he didn't write anything as good after it and even more, that pseuds like Land, and his chuds, exploited Gibson's ideas.
C'mon mate it's dross for kiddies. Not well written at all.
the sheer number of boilerplate "not well written" answers motivates me more
of course it's "not well written" but even a third world immigrant can judge that
thank you... seems like a lot of people lacking creativity but having a shit-ton of money got this book thrown into their lap for lulz
A strength here is it presents the down-on-his-luck techbro nerd as the grungy cool guy hero with romanticist and sexual appeal. The techbro can self-insert.
>there is glory in being a slave
so like a crossover between Brecht and S.O.Y.
Do you unironically think it's some deep text with heavy philosophical influences? It's a frenetically paced slush of "cool" words that hit a cultural nerve at the time, when grungy nerds had no book character to relate to because the scifi establishment like Dick and Asimov was still writing their MCs as clean shaven heroes or everymen. It's a projection of the dark and brooding mind of rebellious teens young teens and adults at the time, where everybody is either high, a criminal or a sexual deviant.
does it need to be some kind of deep text with heavy philosophical influences? that went our of style with Hegel who proved that you could write an internally consistent tome just for shits and giggles... and there is no way anybody would find out... meanwhile here we are, people destroying nature and acting like animals because of the faith put into the descendants of Hegel (especially Marx, and the science-worship part of Freud)
>It's a projection of the dark and brooding mind of rebellious teens young teens and adults at the time, where everybody is either high, a criminal or a sexual deviant.
so praising unwashed humans whose only preoccupation is getting possessed, destroying others work, and sodomy... truly a visionary, just like the author of the Protocols
>Is there any sci-fi of literary quality? Something written well that does offer a philosophical insight into technosystopianism?
futurological congress by lem. it's from he 70s and the technology is more pharmaceuticals than computers, but still.
Ty
I think it’s more that his early works are purely supposition without actual practical knowledge of the subject: he wrote Neuromancer on an electric typewriter never having used a computer until his later, significantly less engaging works. His imagination/imaginativeness was tainted by exposure to reality, many such cases.
>many such cases
every girl is a beauty queen from 30 feet, and seen for only 5 seconds
Sad but true. It’s easier to fall in love with who one imagines someone to be rather than the actual person.
like VW and other German carmakers who still larp as nazis while churning out shitty cars that destroy the environment and marketing them to all kinds of subhumans who shouldn't even be let out of their hole after sundown.. let alone own automobiles...
same story with Steve Jobs who imagined he is making his parents proud by inventing the iPhone instead of doing the hard thing and going to India to eat shit from the middle of the street (like the deal was...)
People ... people never change
Shan't be wasting my money on genre fiction when the library has blood and snot caked copies available to lend.
>what book would you recommend to someone who loved neuromancer?
Snow crash would be my first choice.
>What I think about first, Case, is my own sweet ass.
Why is Gibson's dialogue so bad?
>Why is Gibson's dialogue so bad?
>1) amphetamines
Does speed force an affectation of a stiff badass persona?
probably a side-effect of tunnel vision
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Alistair Reynolds for darkly themed, harder sci-fi. I liked the Perfect and Chasm City best. The main Revelation Space trilogy wasn't as good as these.
For 80s classic cyberpunk vibes there is Snow crash, but that's totally very different, more light hearted.
If you want to go more artistic and psychedelic, Vurt is a great pick.
Or just go with more Gibson, Virtual Light is good.
If you like the fast pace and splosions and shit, Red Rising is a lot of fun for sci-fi (it's also fricking stupid, especially the first book since it was edited into YA, but it's funner than a lot of better books).
Or if you like the dark themes and speculative fiction you could always go right to the King Himself, pic related.
But Bakker is hard to get into, I might look at Alstair Reynolds first.
Hyperion and Dune are great sci-fi too but quite different.
Literally James Bond.
Blindsight
Clade
Rant
>'It would be customary,' the old man said, 'for me to kill you now.' Case felt her tense, ready for a move. 'But tonight I indulge myself. What is your name?'
Why does he write as if commissioned to do a script for a budget schlock film?
it's a self-conscious, extremely stylized, pastiche of noar fiction set in the future. It works very well. Great book!
holy frick stop bumping this shit thread OP
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Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick
The inspiration for Blade Runner and within the cyberpunk genre
I'm still angry there is no fake police station in Braid Runner
Is "Crimes of the Future" (Cronenberg's latest movie, just came out) transhumanist or posthumanist?
I'd call it early stage transhuman, apart from the machines that characters use, all the weird fricking around with the human body is through biological means
Benjamin percy - The Dark Net. Imagine Neuromancer as done by Koontz or Straub
>Neuromancer as done by Koontz or Straub
no thanks
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Snow Crash
Dan Simmons' Hyperion just for the one chapter with the Neuromancer parallel
The Detectives tale?
I think so yeah, I recommend not skipping to it since the whole book is good and part of the fun of there being a Neuromancer cyberpunk element is that it takes place in this weird setting
Also a major character in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress has similar speculation about what is and isn't a mind, how computers can become sentient, etc., but otherwise the book is not like a Gibson book
So Brawne totally banged Silenus and his satyr dick made her cum twice right
What a strange memory for sentient-in-the-womb Aenea to have.
Speaking of correct predictions. I like how Hyperion had Twitter (The Allthing), and picrel had smartphones (Slates) and 'influencers'.
It's really fricked up when you realise Lamia got ploughed weeks after her boyfriend died, WHILE pregnant with his baby. All for his weird satyr dick
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Amphisbaenic
what the frick is happening in this thread
it's what happens when you give third world countries access to the internet
This is a pretty underrated ace special
oh shit there are other books with that cover design?
where can one find this? Even GoodReads doesn't offer a synopsis
Neruomancer is prolix trash. Honestly it turned me off of Scifi pretty hard. I prefer Fantasy and Westerns.
>prolix
???
Anon in literary terms it's very simple, badly so.
>Neuromancer has a subplot where two corpos at a proxy war
>Go down the corpo rabbit hole
>Learn about Blackrock and Vanguard
How far are we from big corpos waging war at one another?
At the end Wintermute hints that it discovers life in Alpha Centauri, with the rate of AI is going right now and the uptick in UFO interest, shit is about to get really weird
The Bridge trilogy.
well it has sequels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprawl_trilogy
i said that in the first frickng post moron. let this thread die already. wtf is happening in here?
ur not ment to kno
w-wintermute?
Nick Land
Transmetropolitan
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep
Mister X
fight me
Yeah you won’t get close, even his other books
best advice is to go find the old shadowrun novels
It’ll be hit or miss but some will def give you that feel
Also that one book about androids set in Bangkok, gene modifying food, that was ok, forgot the name someone will remember
Solaris.
Snow crash
did gibson et al write anything about mass education?
>19th century teachers were pimps training bureaucrats, officers, and medics for the state
>20th century teaches trained engineers and marketers for corporations
>21th century teachers are training sex toys
cyberpunk or whatever you call it seems to be closely linked with mass education of the last century (which also explains why Neuromancer was published like it was -- its broken grammar resembling "scammer english")
Any recs for me?
Mistborn series
The girl with the dragon tattoo and Girl who played with fire
The storm light archive
Hyperion
Harrow/Gideon the ninth
ASIOF
Basically sci Fi fantasy or thrillers
Read Salammbo by Gustave Flaubert. Technically it's a historical novel of the Carthaginian Mercenary War, but really its the greatest sword-and-sandal fantasy novel ever written, incredibly sensual. Reading Flaubert will show what literary merit is and what genre fiction ought to be.