Become an insecure consumer, since he’s just an idealised projection originating from one. He doesn’t have any essence himself. He only exists in the wishes of a weak man
fight club isn't criticzing anything, is just an observation on how guys create meaning, with things(consumerism) and with actions(exaltation torught fights and quest) the book is good because the author doesn't just tell you searching meaning trought action is just the better option, since such a path also can lead you to madness, the protagonist is aguy who doesn't know he already took the path of action and is trying not to go insane, in the end he's svaed by other people who come to help him breaking the narcissism inherent in the path of action and realising even when consumerism is awful, just destroying everything isn't a viable option because only trought conection with othe rpeople and empathy we can free ourselves from the apathy consumerism creates, the true liberating action is not fight with other people but help,be helped and understand other people
NTA, but if you're violent, it means you've let your spooks overpower your individuality. In self-defense, violence is fine, but outside of that scenario, it's a symptom of inner weakness. The liberated individual is calm and seeks co-existence.
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Killing people who seek to control you IS self defence Anon.
people who say this are idiots
the book isn't criticising toxic masculinity, it just wishes it were criticising it, but the fact is it failed to do this because he didn't think enough about how he wanted to do it, and the proof is that Tyler Durden resonated way more with men than the supposed criticism of masculinity did because he wrote a character who has a more compelling argument than he did
Turns out when modern society is a giant machine that runs on grinding the souls of billions of hopeful young men into dirt for some money, and men are lonelier than ever, cast adrift in a world that hates their past and doesn't offer them a future, and won't give them anything of purpose because it's too busy telling them to go buy a bunch of unfulfilling shit they don't need while they try not to hang themselves in shame or loneliness or just general fricking boredom, a man with the balls to actually say how shit this system is and decide to go do something with purpose, even if that means just getting in touch with your primal nature by beating the shit out of someone or getting the shit kicked out of you with the boys on a Friday night, is a LOT more in touch with the reality of men than the author's supposed criticisms of toxic masculinity. Turns out Tyler makes more sense than the rebuttal of Tyler Durden.
And the rebuttal is really just a pithy appeal to legality anyway. It's really just a "No, don't use violence! That's illegal!" meanwhile you're descended from thousands of years of men who would've agreed with every single thing he said.
Well, turns out deep down most men don't actually see anything with violently destroying the system that hates them, and the fact the depiction of a man who does have the balls to do it was an instant cult classic with nearly every man on the planet proves that deep down there's a big part of the modern man who knows that Tyler Durden was right, men are sick, and they understand that something ancient inside them really doesn't think there's anything wrong with destroying large chunks of modern society with violence after all. Turns out, like it or not, Tyler made a better point than the author or the critics did.
the author wasn't even trying to do that and has expressed support for tyler's ideology. I don't usually use this sort of language, but 'dude you missed the point lmao grow up edgy kid' you see regurgitated in every discussion about fight club is one of the most midwit reddit takes out there.
how the frick did this get started if the author wasn't even intending to do this?
why would reddit do this, just go on the internet and lie about literally everything about the book?
same except i cry brushing my teeth looking in the mirror. Honestly, if i destroyed every mirror and got a flip phone so i never saw my reflection i might be fine!
If you are familiar enough with any "empowering" philosophy you can make the case Durden fits it. That said he is too vapid and doesn't possess the attention span to read Nietzsche much less any Buddhist texts. His whole philosophy could be summed up as "Dude bro we should totally...(insert something random and/or criminal) that would be completely epic!" If it were written today.
not at all, Nietzche even called hismelf the buddha of the west, the only problem Nietzsche had with buddhism was "the life denying" the ascetism of monks, buit he later changed his mind and even articulated ascetism as a valid expression of the will of power
The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama.
Tyler Durden attitude makes less sense post 9/12 post 2007 crash post social media culture.
The 90s were a time of American economic triumphalism and high living standards. End of the Cold War. Consumerism. It looked like liberal capitalism had won and no ideological wars would take place.
With nothing to struggle for people either had hedonism or nihilism or both. Hence, grunge and Trainspotting and Fight Club.
Since 2000, we have had 9/11 and the resulting trillion dollar two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which tanked Americas reputation and both ended in failure. We had the largest economic crash and recession since 1929 and the Great Depression. We have had smart phone social media make everyone go crazy and sad. We have had the largest land war in Europe since WW2.
Existential ennui and hedonistic nihilism is fricking out of place in todays society. People dont have time for that shit.
Shit is about trying to stay alive. No time to invent fights to feel shit. Real fights over real shit are on our doorstep.
I just made a days worth of salary doing absolutely nothing for 95% of the day working from home, leaving my house only for a brief walk between screen / book sessions and some bodyweight squats. Tell me more about this fight for survival at my door.
>Nietzsche's truch strikes me as too agitates and provocative; it's good for those who are yet to be set free. For that reason his truth is good only for them. I believe that I've recently discovered that we also need a truth for those who need constraint. It's possible that instead they need a depressive truth, which makes man smaller and more inward. (Jung)
So yes, perhaps Nietzsche without the companion moderation that an actualized man requires.
Isn't Tyler a of parody of Raskolnikov? A man who believes he's some Nietzschean ubermensch above morals but rather than come to terms with it, his split failed yuppie alter ego realizes and is all "ah frick no this is horrible actually" and tries to reign him in.
cardio + calisthenics + dieting
You forgot 1/2/3/4
He doesn't look fat or like he has body dysmorphia to me, so he can't be doing powerlifting
He doesn't believe in self improvement. He just believes in his cult.
zen buddhism
unironically grow up and come back in 5 years.
ur a pseud who cant answer
>what's 2+2 and DON'T give me a bullshit answer like 4!
>kid looks up to tyler durden
>calls others "pseud"
Step one: finish middle school
Become an insecure consumer, since he’s just an idealised projection originating from one. He doesn’t have any essence himself. He only exists in the wishes of a weak man
>"Buddhism + Nietzsche"
wouldnt it be the exact opposite of pic related
someone who fell for the meme would say that
The Bible
Fight Club
Not literature
yes pretty much
You realize Fight Club is criticizing toxic masculinity, right? Way to miss the point. You're not supposed to look up to Tyler Durden.
fight club isn't criticzing anything, is just an observation on how guys create meaning, with things(consumerism) and with actions(exaltation torught fights and quest) the book is good because the author doesn't just tell you searching meaning trought action is just the better option, since such a path also can lead you to madness, the protagonist is aguy who doesn't know he already took the path of action and is trying not to go insane, in the end he's svaed by other people who come to help him breaking the narcissism inherent in the path of action and realising even when consumerism is awful, just destroying everything isn't a viable option because only trought conection with othe rpeople and empathy we can free ourselves from the apathy consumerism creates, the true liberating action is not fight with other people but help,be helped and understand other people
How drunk are you fren?
>killing your oppressors is not a true liberating action
So brave, when you kill your enemies they win right?
NTA, but if you're violent, it means you've let your spooks overpower your individuality. In self-defense, violence is fine, but outside of that scenario, it's a symptom of inner weakness. The liberated individual is calm and seeks co-existence.
Killing people who seek to control you IS self defence Anon.
A man still has to have his Tyler Durden phase before he can evolve, anon. You don't get to skip that phase.
people who say this are idiots
the book isn't criticising toxic masculinity, it just wishes it were criticising it, but the fact is it failed to do this because he didn't think enough about how he wanted to do it, and the proof is that Tyler Durden resonated way more with men than the supposed criticism of masculinity did because he wrote a character who has a more compelling argument than he did
Turns out when modern society is a giant machine that runs on grinding the souls of billions of hopeful young men into dirt for some money, and men are lonelier than ever, cast adrift in a world that hates their past and doesn't offer them a future, and won't give them anything of purpose because it's too busy telling them to go buy a bunch of unfulfilling shit they don't need while they try not to hang themselves in shame or loneliness or just general fricking boredom, a man with the balls to actually say how shit this system is and decide to go do something with purpose, even if that means just getting in touch with your primal nature by beating the shit out of someone or getting the shit kicked out of you with the boys on a Friday night, is a LOT more in touch with the reality of men than the author's supposed criticisms of toxic masculinity. Turns out Tyler makes more sense than the rebuttal of Tyler Durden.
And the rebuttal is really just a pithy appeal to legality anyway. It's really just a "No, don't use violence! That's illegal!" meanwhile you're descended from thousands of years of men who would've agreed with every single thing he said.
Well, turns out deep down most men don't actually see anything with violently destroying the system that hates them, and the fact the depiction of a man who does have the balls to do it was an instant cult classic with nearly every man on the planet proves that deep down there's a big part of the modern man who knows that Tyler Durden was right, men are sick, and they understand that something ancient inside them really doesn't think there's anything wrong with destroying large chunks of modern society with violence after all. Turns out, like it or not, Tyler made a better point than the author or the critics did.
the author wasn't even trying to do that and has expressed support for tyler's ideology. I don't usually use this sort of language, but 'dude you missed the point lmao grow up edgy kid' you see regurgitated in every discussion about fight club is one of the most midwit reddit takes out there.
how the frick did this get started if the author wasn't even intending to do this?
why would reddit do this, just go on the internet and lie about literally everything about the book?
you mad exposed you or something?
blah blah blah just go to the library
>You're not supposed to look up to Tyler Durden.
And what if I am? Frick you.
Just be handsome and say shit with confidence.
why is it always so difficult to get an serious answer here...
frick imagine looking this hot. You just wake up with a smile on your face and look in the mirror giggling at how hot you are
I wake up crying with how ugly I am. Hard to be religious when you are ugly.
same except i cry brushing my teeth looking in the mirror. Honestly, if i destroyed every mirror and got a flip phone so i never saw my reflection i might be fine!
If you are familiar enough with any "empowering" philosophy you can make the case Durden fits it. That said he is too vapid and doesn't possess the attention span to read Nietzsche much less any Buddhist texts. His whole philosophy could be summed up as "Dude bro we should totally...(insert something random and/or criminal) that would be completely epic!" If it were written today.
>Buddhism + Nietzsche
Nietzsche disliked buddhism. These two things are very very different.
not at all, Nietzche even called hismelf the buddha of the west, the only problem Nietzsche had with buddhism was "the life denying" the ascetism of monks, buit he later changed his mind and even articulated ascetism as a valid expression of the will of power
He is insane. Probably best not to emulate his mindset.
anarchist cookbook and other glowie well-poisoning crap
The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama.
Tyler Durden attitude makes less sense post 9/12 post 2007 crash post social media culture.
The 90s were a time of American economic triumphalism and high living standards. End of the Cold War. Consumerism. It looked like liberal capitalism had won and no ideological wars would take place.
With nothing to struggle for people either had hedonism or nihilism or both. Hence, grunge and Trainspotting and Fight Club.
Since 2000, we have had 9/11 and the resulting trillion dollar two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which tanked Americas reputation and both ended in failure. We had the largest economic crash and recession since 1929 and the Great Depression. We have had smart phone social media make everyone go crazy and sad. We have had the largest land war in Europe since WW2.
Existential ennui and hedonistic nihilism is fricking out of place in todays society. People dont have time for that shit.
Shit is about trying to stay alive. No time to invent fights to feel shit. Real fights over real shit are on our doorstep.
I just made a days worth of salary doing absolutely nothing for 95% of the day working from home, leaving my house only for a brief walk between screen / book sessions and some bodyweight squats. Tell me more about this fight for survival at my door.
>No mention of spook killah
For shame
High test and 0 inhibition + Chad looks. No books in sight.
>Nietzsche's truch strikes me as too agitates and provocative; it's good for those who are yet to be set free. For that reason his truth is good only for them. I believe that I've recently discovered that we also need a truth for those who need constraint. It's possible that instead they need a depressive truth, which makes man smaller and more inward. (Jung)
So yes, perhaps Nietzsche without the companion moderation that an actualized man requires.
Nietzsche has no truth and fails to cope with it
In my opinion, it's: Principia Discordia (be prepared for this one), Zen Buddhism and Max Stirner rather than Nietzsche
school textbooks where kids add dicks to illustrations
Unironically Ted Kaczynski and Jack Donovan.
/lit/- tv and movies
Isn't Tyler a of parody of Raskolnikov? A man who believes he's some Nietzschean ubermensch above morals but rather than come to terms with it, his split failed yuppie alter ego realizes and is all "ah frick no this is horrible actually" and tries to reign him in.
tyler durden isn't all tha timportant in the book, he's just there to let you know the protag is going insane
Hakim bey- taz
yes, its basically buddhism without buddhist symbols, except for the part of killing people, that was included because muricans love big explosions.